LOST (Season 5 - Official Thread IX) - 'We're Not Going To Guam, Are We?'

[WarpSpeedChewy]

LOST - Season 5 - Wednesday @ 9:00 PM/8:00CT
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Previously On LOST

05x01 -
Because You Left
(Various) - January 22, 2009
"Jack and Ben try to reunite the Oceanic 6 for a return to the Island to save the remaining survivors."

05x02 -
The Lie
(Hurley) - January 22, 2009
"Hurley, who is on the run from the police with Sayid, has trouble dealing with the secret of the Oceanic 6. Meanwhile, Kate meets an old friend to get some advice."

05x03 -
Jughead
(Desmond) - January 27, 2009
"Desmond goes in search of a woman who could be the key in helping Faraday stop the island's erractic movements through time."

05x04 -
The Little Prince
(Kate & Aaron) - February 4, 2009
"Kate attempts to learn who is trying to obtain custody of Aaron, while Ben continues his quest to reunite the Oceanic 6."

05x05 -
This Place Is Death
(Jin & Sun) - February 11, 2009
"Sun confronts Ben over the death of Jin, and Ben suffers major setbacks in trying to reunite the Oceanic 6."

05x06 -
316
(Jack ) - February 18, 2009
"The way back to the island is revealed to members of the Oceanic 6, but there’s trouble ahead when not all of them wish to return."

05x07 -
The Life and Death of Jeremy Bentham
(Locke) - February 25, 2009
"Locke's fateful mission off the island is revealed."

05x08 -
LaFleur
(Sawyer) - March 4, 2009
"Sawyer perpetuates a lie with some of the other island survivors in order to protect themselves from mistakes of the past."

05x09 -
Namaste
(Various) - March 18, 2009
"The return of his old friends to the Island forces Sawyer to struggle to keep his lie concealed. "

05x10 -
He's Our You
(Sayid) - March 25, 2009
"Things begin to unravel when one of the survivors goes rogue and takes matters into their own hands -- risking the lives of everyone on the island. "

05x11 -
Dead Is Dead
(Ben) - April 8, 2009
"To atone for sins of the past, Ben must attempt to summon the smoke monster in order to be judged
05x12 -
05x13 -
05x14 -
05x15 -
05x16 -
05x17 -

No discussion of spoilers in this thread.

Lost Playlist
1. Island - The Starting Line
2. The Ghost Of You Lingers - Spoon
3. No I In Threesome - Interpol
4. Wonderwall - Oasis
5. At the Bottom Of Everything - Bright Eyes
6. Delicate - Damien Rice
7. Good Vibrations - The Beach Boys
8. Wash Away - Joe Purdy
9. Namaste - Beastie Boys
10. Stuck Between Stations - The Hold Steady
11. Passenger Seat - Death Cab For Cutie
12. Timebomb - Beck
13. Station 5: The Pearl - Gatsbys American Dream
14. Out Of Time - Blur
15. Lost! - Coldplay
16. Life and Death - Michael Giacchino


Top 10 LOST Posters of LOST Thread VIII
CharlieKilo 405
nivek87 340
drudo182 315
xeno6919 310
atticusfinch 271
alann 252
stayillogical 246
batmannj 241
sdbrown 181
SteveD 117

LOST (Official thread VI) (http://www.absolutepunk.net/showthread.php?t=756882)
LOST (Official Thread VII) (http://www.absolutepunk.net/showthread.php?t=839272)
LOST (Official Thread VIII) (http://www.absolutepunk.net/showthread.php?t=892042)


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[sdbrown]

*sniffs air* ahhh, that new thread scent!

I'm watching that Michael Emerson interview posted in the other thread, too funny!

[TheFury]

New thread! I like the title.

[WarpSpeedChewy]

Sorry for the delay everyone. Didn't realize the old thread would get locked so quickly. Hope I did a good job. Enjoy.

[alann]

Hell yes, new thread. I love the recruits picture btw.

[starseed]

I think I will stick around, at least until I raise the ire of the natives and am forced to be gassed to preserve the security of the island.

[smoothchanvere]

Love the new thread title, and the Namaste recruit picture is awesome.

[booyah.achieved]

Indefinite recursion. That's what LOST will end up being about.

[spriltsc]

yes new thread!!

[Greg]

just subscribing

[Throwback]

Excellent thread title. I'd also add Gatsby's "Station 5: The Pearl" to the playlist.

[CellarGhosts]

Yay new thread! Great title btw, haha. Frank represent. :jayz:

*sniffs air* ahhh, that new thread scent!

I'm watching that Michael Emerson interview posted in the other thread, too funny!
Haha, the one I posted? He's such a funny guy. It seems like he has a blast playing the role of Ben.

[stayillogical]

LOVE the title! Great job Luke.

[nivek87]

Well done, digging the tag line. Can't wait for weds. Oh, and very fitting picture too, loving it.


new fish biscuit recap up, http://fishbiscuitlandblog.blogspot.com/

[stayillogical]

http://i173.photobucket.com/albums/w78/fishbiscuit_photos/Namaste/hben-sayid.gif

"If you want back in time and met Hitler as a boy, would it be okay to kill him?"

:appl:

Edit: Oh man, MICHAEL'S LIST! That's amazing. I love this blogger.

[SteveD]

Yay! New thread!

[alboneceleste]

yay!

I can not wait until wednesday.

[poppa Q]

Well done Luke.


new fish biscuit recap up, http://fishbiscuitlandblog.blogspot.com/

Came in here to post that. It says "Saturday, March 21," but it was DEFINITELY not updated until late last night/this morning, haha.

[poppa Q]

Excellent thread title. I'd also add Gatsby's "Station 5: The Pearl" to the playlist.

Agreed, good call.

[drudo182]

Haaa. Love the photo used in this thread!

Nice job.

[drudo182]

Excellent thread title. I'd also add Gatsby's "Station 5: The Pearl" to the playlist.

Yep. Have to have GAD.

[Alextisonfire]

Great job on the new thread, I'm loving the title.

[Alextisonfire]

Excellent thread title. I'd also add Gatsby's "Station 5: The Pearl" to the playlist.
I was going to suggest this too, good call. Gatsby's "You All Everybody" is quite appropriate as well.

[CellarGhosts]

Oh and here's some suggestions for the LOST playlist:

A Flight and a Crash - Hot Water Music
Sending Postcards From a Plane Crash - Fall Out Boy
Are You Sure? - Willie Nelson
Scentless Apprentice - Nirvana

[xeno6919]

New thread, awesome. You know what's weird Luke? I was thinking that the title for the new thread should have been what you made it like 3 days ago, great minds think alike.

[drudo182]

I think someone mentioned it for the last thread after it was created as well.

But we kept it in the Jack family.

[starseed]

Um, if I might make a suggestion for your Lost playlist, The Ataris' "And We All Become Like Smoke". I don't know if there's a certain thing you guys are going for other than the obvious Lost theme, but when it was mentioned I just thought of that song. Cause of Smokey and the references to faith and light and all that.

[sdbrown]

The Fishbiscuitblog is getting better and better...I can't wait until we have a really meaty ("oooooh meaty!") episode for her to dissect

[Hainzey X]

great job on the new thread.

[CellarGhosts]

So in my graphic design class, our current assignment/project is to design a billboard for the Indianapolis International Airport (not that they're actually going to get used, obviously, it's just an exercise) but anyway...we have to design the billboard with a "Why I fly" testimonial, and I'm going to be a nerd and tie mine into LOST somehow.

/random, uninteresting anecdote.

[batmannj]

Yay new thread!

[batmannj]

Oh and here's some suggestions for the LOST playlist:

A Flight and a Crash - Hot Water Music
Sending Postcards From a Plane Crash - Fall Out Boy
Are You Sure? - Willie Nelson
Scentless Apprentice - Nirvana

I am digging those suggestions. Especially FOB and Nirvana.

[Rawrr]

Man.

[alboneceleste]

I just wish it would be wednesday already!

[WordzandDreamz]

Hey, look...my job lets me on abpunk again. I would be here all the time if they didn't arbitrarily block it ever couple days.

[CellarGhosts]

I am digging those suggestions. Especially FOB and Nirvana.
Haha thank you sir.

[alboneceleste]

crap! I just remembered that my friends band is playing in DC on Wednesday! guess I'll have to wait until Thursday morning or Friday to watch this weeks Lost! sucks!

[batmannj]

Hey, look...my job lets me on abpunk again. I would be here all the time if they didn't arbitrarily block it ever couple days.

That is good you are on. Welcome back haha

[WordzandDreamz]

crap! I just remembered that my friends band is playing in DC on Wednesday! guess I'll have to wait until Thursday morning or Friday to watch this weeks Lost! sucks!

What is your friend's band called and where are they playing?

[poppa Q]

So in my graphic design class, our current assignment/project is to design a billboard for the Indianapolis International Airport (not that they're actually going to get used, obviously, it's just an exercise) but anyway...we have to design the billboard with a "Why I fly" testimonial, and I'm going to be a nerd and tie mine into LOST somehow.

/random, uninteresting anecdote.
Any ideas on your theme yet?
Man.
Woman.
crap! I just remembered that my friends band is playing in DC on Wednesday! guess I'll have to wait until Thursday morning or Friday to watch this weeks Lost! sucks!
I'm visiting a friend this Wednesday out of town, so I'll probably be putting off my viewing until Thursday as well.

[stayillogical]

Back to what Alann and I were saying in the past thread about Juliet, what if in the upcoming episode, Juliet saves Ben from Sayid? It could start the obsession. And of all the people in the past right now, I could see her helping little Ben. She's the most compassionate. But whatever happens, I'm still convinced we will find out that the "looks like her" is actually herself.

[alboneceleste]

What is your friend's band called and where are they playing?

Damiera (from Buffalo/Iowa) and DC9

[nivek87]

I have heard a lot of talk that Ben probably would of remembered Sayid when they met in the hatch, however, since that memory hadn't happened yet, he shouldn't of, correct? Just like Widmore didn't remember meeting Locke until after and Desmond didn't remember meeting Faraday until after the fact. Will Ben start having 'nightmares' now too? Would be convient since the last time we saw him in 2007, he was sleeping in the hydra.
Came in here to post that. It says "Saturday, March 21," but it was DEFINITELY not updated until late last night/this morning, haha.
Yeah, it definitely wasn't. In fact, I was on her blog last night and it wasn't updated.
I just wish it would be wednesday already!
Same, I haven't been too too amped lately, but I am really excited about the next episode for some reason.
I'm still convinced we will find out that the "looks like her" is actually herself.
I like this. Still not sure how Harper would know what 'she' looked like though, you know?

[poppa Q]

Back to what Alann and I were saying in the past thread about Juliet, what if in the upcoming episode, Juliet saves Ben from Sayid? It could start the obsession. And of all the people in the past right now, I could see her helping little Ben. She's the most compassionate. But whatever happens, I'm still convinced we will find out that the "looks like her" is actually herself.

When it comes to "helping little Ben," if that is in fact who Sayid is pointing the gun at in Wednesday's episode (which we all assume it most likely is), I think just about anyone in the DI would want to prevent a "hostile" from attempting to kill one of their people. But I'm with you about the latter point.

[Mirrorsandfevers]

Curious on why Passenger Seat is on the playlist? Am I missing something? haha.

New thread. Good times ahead.

[Ailite]

OH MY GOD!

wedding in the season finale! I love the aaron/Sun's daughter.

http://ausiellofiles.ew.com/2009/03/scoop-whos-gett.html

[Mirrorsandfevers]

I have heard a lot of talk that Ben probably would of remembered Sayid when they met in the hatch, however, since that memory hadn't happened yet, he shouldn't of, correct? Just like Widmore didn't remember meeting Locke until after and Desmond didn't remember meeting Faraday until after the fact. Will Ben start having 'nightmares' now too? Would be convient since the last time we saw him in 2007, he was sleeping in the hydra.

Yeah, it definitely wasn't. In fact, I was on her blog last night and it wasn't updated.

Same, I haven't been too too amped lately, but I am really excited about the next episode for some reason.

I like this. Still not sure how Harper would know what 'she' looked like though, you know?

I see what you're saying, but from what I understand, Little Ben will be growing up and he'll be introduced to all of the survivors, and everything just as we saw him, so he must have remembered Sayid. Unless he doesn't really stick around all that long for Ben to really remember Sayid at such a young age to when he's around 30.

[Mirrorsandfevers]

OH MY GOD!

wedding in the season finale! I love the aaron/Sun's daughter.

http://ausiellofiles.ew.com/2009/03/scoop-whos-gett.html

I don't even want to touch it. I don't understand it, I don't want to.

[WarpSpeedChewy]

What kind of spoiler is above me ?

Thanks everyone. Glad to see everyone is enjoying the new thread,.

Excellent thread title. I'd also add Gatsby's "Station 5: The Pearl" to the playlist.
Added.

Oh and here's some suggestions for the LOST playlist:

A Flight and a Crash - Hot Water Music
Sending Postcards From a Plane Crash - Fall Out Boy
Are You Sure? - Willie Nelson
Scentless Apprentice - Nirvana
I'm leaning towards choosing the Nirvana song to be on there.

So in my graphic design class, our current assignment/project is to design a billboard for the Indianapolis International Airport (not that they're actually going to get used, obviously, it's just an exercise) but anyway...we have to design the billboard with a "Why I fly" testimonial, and I'm going to be a nerd and tie mine into LOST somehow.

/random, uninteresting anecdote.
Ha that will be the very definition of irony. Maybe something like "This plane is so nice...even if we crash landed it'd be on mystical island". Maybe show Locke in the airplane window with him giving a thumps up with the tagline "don't tell locke what he can't do"

I have heard a lot of talk that Ben probably would of remembered Sayid when they met in the hatch, however, since that memory hadn't happened yet, he shouldn't of, correct? Just like Widmore didn't remember meeting Locke until after and Desmond didn't remember meeting Faraday until after the fact. Will Ben start having 'nightmares' now too? Would be convient since the last time we saw him in 2007, he was sleeping in the hydra.
I'm wondering if he's getting new memories of past events like Desmond did maybe. Or perhaps he was too young to remember them. All of it might be completely inconsequential to Ben.

Curious on why Passenger Seat is on the playlist? Am I missing something? haha.

New thread. Good times ahead.
Someone suggested once and I thought it made sense. Kinda of reminded me of 815 crashing in some way.

[xeno6919]

OH MY GOD!

wedding in the season finale! I love the aaron/Sun's daughter.

http://ausiellofiles.ew.com/2009/03/scoop-whos-gett.html

Hmm, very interesting. I kind of like the aaron/ji jeon wedding idea also

[poppa Q]

What kind of spoiler is above me ?


I would say it's a pretty big spoiler. Not huge in the Lost mythos, but something you're not gonna want to read.

Edit: Didn't read the article. Spoiler is officially minor with theories potentially being bigger.

[nivek87]

I see what you're saying, but from what I understand, Little Ben will be growing up and he'll be introduced to all of the survivors, and everything just as we saw him, so he must have remembered Sayid. Unless he doesn't really stick around all that long for Ben to really remember Sayid at such a young age to when he's around 30.

I am under a little different understanding. I know what you're saying and you might be right, but I don't think they will be in that time period for much longer, since they flashed there, some time, some way, I think they will find a way to flash out. I am under this impression because Sun and Frank aren't there, so a 2007 and current exists as we know it.

[poppa Q]

OH MY GOD!

wedding in the season finale! I love the aaron/Sun's daughter.

http://ausiellofiles.ew.com/2009/03/scoop-whos-gett.html

Hmm, very interesting. I kind of like the aaron/ji jeon wedding idea also

Absolutely hate that, way to obvious. If they go that route they better sell it HARD.

[GRIFFARD]

I'm lovin the thread title, pic, and everything, and I can't wait for LOST day already! btw, SteveD had 171 posts, not 117 :)

[xeno6919]

Absolutely hate that, way to obvious. If they go that route they better sell it HARD.
I just dont want to see Sun and Jin flashbacks to be honest, lol.

[batmannj]

I just dont want to see Sun and Jin flashbacks to be honest, lol.

Agreed haha.

[GRIFFARD]

Absolutely hate that, way to obvious. If they go that route they better sell it HARD.

Somehow I feel that the wedding will not be the focal point of the season finale, so we won't have to worry TOO much. One thing I can count on the writers on is not being cliche or ruining things. lol That was a terrible sentence

[CellarGhosts]

I'm leaning towards choosing the Nirvana song to be on there.


Ha that will be the very definition of irony. Maybe something like "This plane is so nice...even if we crash landed it'd be on mystical island". Maybe show Locke in the airplane window with him giving a thumps up with the tagline "don't tell locke what he can't do"
Cool stuff.

Haha that'd be great having Locke giving the thumbs up. I was thinking of just using "Because I've got work to do" for the testimonial and having Locke on there.

[stayillogical]

I like this. Still not sure how Harper would know what 'she' looked like though, you know?

A photograph. Just like the new recruits one. Or Harper could be another island-born like Ethan. It makes no difference to me, minor details. I would just prefer that that little mystery be something more significant to Juliet than just a random resemblance to someone else in Ben's life.

When it comes to "helping little Ben," if that is in fact who Sayid is pointing the gun at in Wednesday's episode (which we all assume it most likely is), I think just about anyone in the DI would want to prevent a "hostile" from attempting to kill one of their people. But I'm with you about the latter point.

Well, our people in the past could have more of a clue as to what Sayid's intentions are if he escaped. The other Dharma people would of course, easily kill him if he acts like a threat, but they wouldn't know exactly what he's after. Killing a child is inconceivable. I'm just toying with some thoughts, just throwing all of this out there.

[nivek87]

spoiler tags y'all.

[nivek87]

A photograph. Just like the new recruits one. Or Harper could be another island-born like Ethan. It makes no difference to me, minor details. I would just prefer that that little mystery be something more significant to Juliet than just a random resemblance to someone else in Ben's life.
Hmmm, could that photograph before they traveled back? I might be mixing a few travel theories together, but under LOST, whatever happens, happens. However, just because it happens, doesn't neccasarily mean they caused it to happen, right? Originally, Ethan would always be born. However, originally, Juliet wasn't the one who delivered the baby was it?

[poppa Q]

I just dont want to see Sun and Jin flashbacks to be honest, lol.

Hahah. I actually have quite enjoyed their material, especially his. Especially last season's episode. Flashback and flashforward at the same time?! What the fuck?! Haha.

[GRIFFARD]

This may be super obvious, but I think we will soon discover pretty much everything about why the Dharma/Others did what they did relating to bringing Juliet and other people to the island, based on what they had already done in the past

[xeno6919]

Hahah. I actually have quite enjoyed their material, especially his. Especially last season's episode. Flashback and flashforward at the same time?! What the fuck?! Haha.
I agree, that was AWESOME.

[stayillogical]

Hmmm, could that photograph before they traveled back? I might be mixing a few travel theories together, but under LOST, whatever happens, happens. However, just because it happens, doesn't neccasarily mean they caused it to happen, right? Originally, Ethan would always be born. However, originally, Juliet wasn't the one who delivered the baby was it?

I believe it was. After reading Slaughterhouse-Five, The Time Traveler's Wife, and watching 12 Monkeys, I refuse to accept any other notion of time travel. lol Aside from Desmond, I don't see any proof that the timeline has been changed, but rather, the opposite.

[CellarGhosts]

Any ideas on your theme yet?
I think I'm just going to put Locke on there somewhere and "Because I have work to do" as the testimonial for the "why I fly" bit hah. Just an idea.

[GRIFFARD]

I believe it was. After reading Slaughterhouse-Five, The Time Traveler's Wife, and watching 12 Monkeys, I refuse to accept any other notion of time travel. lol Aside from Desmond, I don't see any proof that the timeline has been changed, but rather, the opposite.

I agree with you.

[poppa Q]

Somehow I feel that the wedding will not be the focal point of the season finale, so we won't have to worry TOO much. One thing I can count on the writers on is not being cliche or ruining things. lol That was a terrible sentence
Spoiler that, sir.
A photograph. Just like the new recruits one. Or Harper could be another island-born like Ethan. It makes no difference to me, minor details. I would just prefer that that little mystery be something more significant to Juliet than just a random resemblance to someone else in Ben's life.


Well, our people in the past could have more of a clue as to what Sayid's intentions are if he escaped. The other Dharma people would of course, easily kill him if he acts like a threat, but they wouldn't know exactly what he's after. Killing a child is inconceivable. I'm just toying with some thoughts, just throwing all of this out there.

That's true. But from where we're standing, I think Sayid and Locke (for obvious reasons, I guess we'll see where Locke stands though) are the ones who think very negatively of Ben currently (out of our people in the past). But you're absolutely right, it's definitely possible.

With that said, where does everyone think our islanders stand regarding Ben?

[nivek87]

I believe it was. After reading Slaughterhouse-Five, The Time Traveler's Wife, and watching 12 Monkeys, I refuse to accept any other notion of time travel. lol Aside from Desmond, I don't see any proof that the timeline has been changed, but rather, the opposite.
Thanks my darlin'

I had the same notion as you, but once I saw Frank and Sun in 2007 gazing at the picture, I started questioning myself, wondering if that picture existed prior. I am still not exactly sure it did because if it always existed, how much luck would it had done Christian, right?

[GRIFFARD]

Spoiler that, sir.


That's true. But from where we're standing, I think Sayid and Locke (for obvious reasons, I guess we'll see where Locke stands though) are the ones who think very negatively of Ben currently (out of our people in the past). But you're absolutely right, it's definitely possible.

With that said, where does everyone think our islanders stand regarding Ben?

thanks and sorry.
I think you're correct that Sayid and Locke hate Ben, with Sun and Jack also thinking somewhat negatively of him. Everyone else is probably neutral/nervous about him

[poppa Q]

I believe it was. After reading Slaughterhouse-Five, The Time Traveler's Wife, and watching 12 Monkeys, I refuse to accept any other notion of time travel. lol Aside from Desmond, I don't see any proof that the timeline has been changed, but rather, the opposite.
I'm with you here. I hope "Whatever Happened, Happened" sheds some light, or rather clarifies, this.
I think I'm just going to put Locke on there somewhere and "Because I have work to do" as the testimonial for the "why I fly" bit hah. Just an idea.
Haha, nice. Be sure to post the finish project in here!

[CellarGhosts]

I'm with you here. I hope "Whatever Happened, Happened" sheds some light, or rather clarifies, this.

Haha, nice. Be sure to post the finish project in here!
Haha, it probably won't be super great because I'm still getting comfortable with the Adobe creative suites (indesign/illustrator/etc) but I'll do what I can. I'll post it once it's done. I wanted to do something with Ben, but eh, I can't think of anything that'd work with him at the moment.

[crit]

Whoa, a new thread already!

[stayillogical]

Whoa, a new thread already!

Page 2 Crit? You're slackin. Get back in the game.

[CellarGhosts]

Whoa, a new thread already!
Ha it surprised me the other day when I realized the previous thread was past 4k. Seems like these things are going by faster and faster.

[crit]

Page 2 Crit? You're slackin. Get back in the game.

Ha it surprised me the other day when I realized the previous thread was past 4k. Seems like these things are going by faster and faster.
I do need to step my game up. I haven't been around a whole lot, not even in my favorite thread. (Obviously the LOST thread.)

[SteveD]

Well done, digging the tag line. Can't wait for weds. Oh, and very fitting picture too, loving it.


new fish biscuit recap up, http://fishbiscuitlandblog.blogspot.com/


I honestly cannot stop reading. This guy is so awesome.

Thanks for this.

[CellarGhosts]

I do need to step my game up. I haven't been around a whole lot, not even in my favorite thread. (Obviously the LOST thread.)
This thread is easily one of my favorites as well. I don't know if it's my top favorite, but it's making a serious bid for that position.

[nivek87]

I honestly cannot stop reading. This guy is so awesome.

Thanks for this.

FB is actually a she, I can't stop reading her recaps either, I love them. I am getting pumped to read this, I went to work as soon as I posted the link and haven't gotten a chance to check it out yet.

[WarpSpeedChewy]

BTW everyone in case you are wondering, I changed the image on the first page to a better version of the photograph taking place. It was the one I wanted originally anyway.

That new update on Fishbiscuitland blog is great. There are a few really interesting points.

How about the Numbers? They were heard again being transmitted into Franks cabin on Flight 316, moments before the crash. We've seen where Hurley came to the Island as a lottery winner, only to discover to his horror that those unluckiest lottery numbers were programmed into the Island's technological subconscious. So WHO first entered the Numbers into the system? Now that we know Hurley is another visitor to Future-Past, isn't it entirely possible that Hurley freaked himself out by finding the Numbers that he himself had hidden all over the place like Easter Eggs?

This is a really interesting idea. Considering it looks likely that it's Hurley's voice that is saying the number, he might've been the one to put them on the side of the Hatch too.

Also, whoever writes that gives Jack a lot of shit. Jack had far tougher circumstances as a leader. The credit should be given to Locke as to getting his friends back to the island. It was nearly impossible for Jack to try and find that island again. And what was he gonna do ? Jack had to face some pretty impossible situations. I'd agree though he'd mostly react to things and he was far from a perfect leader.

I would say it's a pretty big spoiler. Not huge in the Lost mythos, but something you're not gonna want to read.

Edit: Didn't read the article. Spoiler is officially minor with theories potentially being bigger.
Should I read it when I wan to avoid being spoiled to something that well mean something substantial.

Ha it surprised me the other day when I realized the previous thread was past 4k. Seems like these things are going by faster and faster.
Yeah I'd prefer it waited til 5,000 was reached. I was hoping to put it up on Tuesday night or early Wednesday. That way the start of the thread could be completely about the new upcoming episode.

[alann]

I think someone mentioned it for the last thread after it was created as well.

But we kept it in the Jack family.
The Jack family rules.
I mean, who isn't a badass in the Shepard bloodline?

[WarpSpeedChewy]

The Jack family rules.
I mean, who isn't a badass in the Shepard bloodline?
Wrong kid died.

Sorry.

[alann]

Wrong kid died.

Sorry.
:appl:
I wonder if Christian will cut him in half.

[Bloodsucker II]

new thread is new.

2 days!

[SockMonkeyRiot]

A+ Thread Title.

[WarpSpeedChewy]

:appl:
I wonder if Christian will cut him in half.
Hahahaha....that would be an awesome scene. Jack and Christian in a machete fight. I think that may be the LOST ending.

[nivek87]

Also, whoever writes that gives Jack a lot of shit. Jack had far tougher circumstances as a leader. The credit should be given to Locke as to getting his friends back to the island. It was nearly impossible for Jack to try and find that island again. And what was he gonna do ? Jack had to face some pretty impossible situations. I'd agree though he'd mostly react to things and he was far from a perfect leader.
Amen brotha. Sawyer has been living a fairy tale. He hasn't faced tough decisions like Jack has had to in the past by any means. It will be interesting to see how Sawyer 'reacts' to the drama that is looking to unfold in the upcoming episodes. Sawyer dishing on Jack really left me with a bad taste in my mouth. How easily Sawyer forgot how selfish he was during season 1 through 3 and was an instigator in any decision Jack made. Jack was definitely the bigger man by walking away and agreeing that it was a relief to not have peoples lives in his hands. Once peoples lives do hang in Sawyers hands, its going to be interesting to see how he handles the situation.

[WarpSpeedChewy]

Amen brotha. Sawyer has been living a fairy tale. He hasn't faced tough decisions like Jack has had to in the past by any means. It will be interesting to see how Sawyer 'reacts' to the drama that is looking to unfold in the upcoming episodes. Sawyer dishing on Jack really left me with a bad taste in my mouth. How easily Sawyer forgot how selfish he was during season 1 through 3 and was an instigator in any decision Jack made. Jack was definitely the bigger man by walking away and agreeing that it was a relief to not have peoples lives in his hands. Once peoples lives do hang in Sawyers hands, its going to be interesting to see how he handles the situation.
Hell Sawyer's life been going so well he's got a job. He's gets to live life as as "Head of Security" and boink Juliet whenever he wants. That sounds like the life to me. Jack had a lot of life or death situations on his plate to the point he refused to accept the eventual conclusion like when Boone died or trying to get everyone off of the island despite the fact the freighters were not there for them. Jack is incredibly misguided to a point which is what makes him fascinating, but he did his do best and did get a lot accomplished. I'm glad Sawyer is currently the Leader. It'll be interesting to see someone beside Locke or Jack lead and see the result of it.

[alann]

I feel like Sawyer won't know what to do when Sayid escapes. And Jack will be there to save the day.
I love you Sawyer, I really do, but you were an asshole to my boy.
Also, Jack didn't try to get back to rescue everyone because your beloved Locke told him not to.

[CellarGhosts]

The Jack family rules.
I mean, who isn't a badass in the Shepard bloodline?
Word up.

BTW everyone in case you are wondering, I changed the image on the first page to a better version of the photograph taking place. It was the one I wanted originally anyway.

That new update on Fishbiscuitland blog is great. There are a few really interesting points.



This is a really interesting idea. Considering it looks likely that it's Hurley's voice that is saying the number, he might've been the one to put them on the side of the Hatch too.

Also, whoever writes that gives Jack a lot of shit. Jack had far tougher circumstances as a leader. The credit should be given to Locke as to getting his friends back to the island. It was nearly impossible for Jack to try and find that island again. And what was he gonna do ? Jack had to face some pretty impossible situations. I'd agree though he'd mostly react to things and he was far from a perfect leader.


Should I read it when I wan to avoid being spoiled to something that well mean something substantial.


Yeah I'd prefer it waited til 5,000 was reached. I was hoping to put it up on Tuesday night or early Wednesday. That way the start of the thread could be completely about the new upcoming episode.
I was kind of hoping the same thing. Oh well, this is fine too haha. Oh and that stuff about the numbers/Hurley is pretty intriguing. I've read somewhere before about the possibility of the numbers somehow originating from Hurley in the first place.

[&IllBeTheReason]

Subscribing.

[starseed]

Also, Jack didn't try to get back to rescue everyone because your beloved Locke told him not to.

Did Locke do that? I thought Locke just told Jack he'd have to lie, not to not come back.

[batmannj]

The one thing about Hurley creating the numbers in the first goes back to the paradox of Faraday creating the Lamp Post station though. I really hope either A) The numbers don't get explained or B) that someone other than Hurley creates them.

[Greg]

Also, whoever writes that gives Jack a lot of shit. Jack had far tougher circumstances as a leader. The credit should be given to Locke as to getting his friends back to the island. It was nearly impossible for Jack to try and find that island again. And what was he gonna do ? Jack had to face some pretty impossible situations. I'd agree though he'd mostly react to things and he was far from a perfect leader.



can you explain that? the most credit John should get is that he inspired Jack. because it does seem very clear that John telling Jack about his dad made him start catching flights to Sydney on weekends. but he did not inspire or get back Sun, Kate, Hurley, or Sayid. at the moment we don't know who got those last 3 back. if i am remembering correctly, Sun knew about the flight because she heard the flight number with Jack, but i could be wrong about her. but that's what i recall at the moment. but it seems clear John did not get Hurley, Sayid or Kate back.

EDIT: and just to make sure people don't flip at me because i am somewhat putting Locke down.....

again. it is very clear Locke DID inspire Jack to go back. Locke is the one who made Jack want to go back. he does deserve that credit. but i feel like the fact that Locke wanted to kill himself shows that he himself would not give him the credit of getting his friends back. and to be fair, this was before he knew that he had succeeded with Jack. but i just wanted to either have you explain how he gets the credit or at least discuss how you got there. because from the episode of TLADOJB it seems he only got Jack and that's it, so he would not get full credit. that is all i am saying here.

[poppa Q]

Should I read it when I wan to avoid being spoiled to something that well mean something substantial.

Here's the simplified version of it that, really, you probably won't regret hovering over: There will be a wedding in the season finale.
:appl:
I wonder if Christian will cut him in half.

I've been trying to figure out the code for that emoticon for quite some time, now I know it's "appl." Damn, thanks Alan.

[batmannj]

The thing is though that Locke new by convincing Jack that he would convince the rest of the O6 to go back. I think Locke deserves more credit than he gets.

[WarpSpeedChewy]

can you explain that? the most credit John should get is that he inspired Jack. because it does seem very clear that John telling Jack about his dad made him start catching flights to Sydney on weekends. but he did not inspire or get back Sun, Kate, Hurley, or Sayid. at the moment we don't know who got those last 3 back. if i am remembering correctly, Sun knew about the flight because she heard the flight number with Jack, but i could be wrong about her. but that's what i recall at the moment. but it seems clear John did not get Hurley, Sayid or Kate back.

In the blog post, credit is given to Sawyer for actually trying to do something to get his friends back as apposed to Jack who accepted being off-island and didn't even try to find out what happened to everyone else. Credit should be given Locke and Jack actually for coming back. Jack was the linchpin for all of it and by the time he saw Locke again it looked like he was already on his way there. All it took was Locke relaying that message from his father to send him off the deep end and the eventual realization that they needed to go back.

[smoothchanvere]

thanks and sorry.
I think you're correct that Sayid and Locke hate Ben, with Sun and Jack also thinking somewhat negatively of him. Everyone else is probably neutral/nervous about him
I think Sun is more on the hate side of things, you don't hit someone over the head with an oar who you're neutral about.

Amen brotha. Sawyer has been living a fairy tale. He hasn't faced tough decisions like Jack has had to in the past by any means. It will be interesting to see how Sawyer 'reacts' to the drama that is looking to unfold in the upcoming episodes. Sawyer dishing on Jack really left me with a bad taste in my mouth. How easily Sawyer forgot how selfish he was during season 1 through 3 and was an instigator in any decision Jack made. Jack was definitely the bigger man by walking away and agreeing that it was a relief to not have peoples lives in his hands. Once peoples lives do hang in Sawyers hands, its going to be interesting to see how he handles the situation.
Hell Sawyer's life been going so well he's got a job. He's gets to live life as as "Head of Security" and boink Juliet whenever he wants. That sounds like the life to me. Jack had a lot of life or death situations on his plate to the point he refused to accept the eventual conclusion like when Boone died or trying to get everyone off of the island despite the fact the freighters were not there for them. Jack is incredibly misguided to a point which is what makes him fascinating, but he did his do best and did get a lot accomplished. I'm glad Sawyer is currently the Leader. It'll be interesting to see someone beside Locke or Jack lead and see the result of it.
I can't wait to see how Sawyer handles this situation, this is really his first real test at leadership since he got them into the DI. He's been doing excellent so far, but now he has Sayid's life in the balance and this is his first real situation with this much at stake.

[alann]

Yeah, Sawyer possibly spent 3 years just waiting and drinking Dharma beer.

[batmannj]

In the blog post, credit is given to Sawyer for actually trying to do something to get his friends back as apposed to Jack who accepted being off-island and didn't even try to find out what happened to everyone else. Credit should be given Locke and Jack actually for coming back. Jack was the linchpin for all of it and by the time he saw Locke again it looked like he was already on his way there. All it took was Locke relaying that message from his father to send him off the deep end and the eventual realization that they needed to go back.
I agree with you there. In a sense, it was basically all Locke was going after. He was pretty sure Kate and Saiyd were not going to go back unless if Jack was, and once he got Jack it was set. Also ironic how the thought of Jack not going is the thing that finally pushed Locke over the edge as well.

[Greg]

The thing is though that Locke new by convincing Jack that he would convince the rest of the O6 to go back. I think Locke deserves more credit than he gets.
you might be right.

but honestly it seems like that would be wrong. we KNOW Locke got to Jack, give credit where credit is due. it seems Sun went because Ben showed proof that Jin was alive. i guess an argument could be made that Ben only knew that because he took the ring from Locke so it is Locke who really did it. but Locke didn't want Sun to come back because of Jin's request, so i don't think he would want that credit. give credit to Locke for honoring Jin's request. but Kate Sayid and Hurly were not convinced by Locke. and Jack seemed just as surprised that they were going back so i don't think you could credit Locke via Jack for them either since Jack didn't get them to go back either. but to be fair, we don't know yet how they got to the flight or why they wanted to go back for those three. so at the moment i don't think you can credit Locke or Jack with Kate/Hurley/Sayid.

[poppa Q]

Hell of a "discussion" going on in the Let the Right One In thread right now. I love watching these things happen, haha.

[Greg]

In the blog post, credit is given to Sawyer for actually trying to do something to get his friends back as apposed to Jack who accepted being off-island and didn't even try to find out what happened to everyone else. Credit should be given Locke and Jack actually for coming back. Jack was the linchpin for all of it and by the time he saw Locke again it looked like he was already on his way there. All it took was Locke relaying that message from his father to send him off the deep end and the eventual realization that they needed to go back.

i don't think Jack should be given credit for Hurley/Sayid/Kate either. he seemed shocked that they were all on the plane and wanting to go back. Locke gets credit for Jack but that's all we have seen at this point. i don't give Jack any credit except for doing what he had to to get back and putting the shoes on Locke and stuff and taking him back with him.

[Greg]

Hell of a "discussion" going on in the Let the Right One In thread right now. I love watching these things happen, haha.
what thread is that? the title doesn't really tell me anything.

[sdbrown]

I feel like Sawyer won't know what to do when Sayid escapes. And Jack will be there to save the day.
I love you Sawyer, I really do, but you were an asshole to my boy.
Also, Jack didn't try to get back to rescue everyone because your beloved Locke told him not to.
I disagree with you guys (yeah...there should be another post here but my copy/paste skill are not so good right now))defending Jack. Locke knew the people on the freighter were bad, he said not to contact them, jack did anyway because he was trying to rescue everyone. he put the island in danger, which resulted in jacob telling john they'd have to move it, which set it off its axis.

john told jack he'd have to lie about the island because he thought jack was going to get everyone that wanted off the island off. not that it was jack's fault that the ship blew up but he still only rescued 6 of them

sorry if this is incomprhensible, i burned my left hand today and it hurts too much to type with

[alann]

Hell of a "discussion" going on in the Let the Right One In thread right now. I love watching these things happen, haha.
I hope we never have a discussion like that on this thread. I bet we would lose a lot of people.

[Greg]

I disagree with you guys defending Jack. Locke knew the people on the freighter were bad, he said not to contact them, jack did anyway because he was trying to rescue everyone. he put the island in danger, which resulted in jacob telling john they'd have to move it, which set it off its axis.

john told jack he'd have to lie about the island because he thought jack was going to get everyone that wanted off the island off. not that it was jack's fault that the ship blew up but he still only rescued 6 of them

sorry if this is incomprhensible, i burned my left hand today and it hurts too much to type
i am not defending Jack at all in that above post. sooooooooo.... sure?

[poppa Q]

I hope we never have a discussion like that on this thread. I bet we would lose a lot of people.

I think that's why he stays out of here, honestly. Doesn't have anything remotely positive to say about the show, knows a lot of his users are admittedly obsessed (look at the thread numbers) -- he's good at picking and choosing his battles. I could be completely wrong, but yeah.

[sdbrown]

i am not defending Jack at all in that above post. sooooooooo.... sure?
sorry! i was responding to a few posts at the same time but must have mixed up the ones i was quoting

edit: aha! i was trying to respond to the post you had quoted when you typed that post i quoted. i'm all mixed up today

[Greg]

sorry! i was responding to a few posts at the same time but must have mixed up the ones i was quoting
haha it's all good. i was like, "well... i said Jack's name a few times. but i didn't give him any credit in that post. and in another post i said i didn't give him the credit either. so sure?" haha

[batmannj]

Hell of a "discussion" going on in the Let the Right One In thread right now. I love watching these things happen, haha.
lol same here. Thanks for the heads up.

[batmannj]

I disagree with you guys (yeah...there should be another post here but my copy/paste skill are not so good right now))defending Jack. Locke knew the people on the freighter were bad, he said not to contact them, jack did anyway because he was trying to rescue everyone. he put the island in danger, which resulted in jacob telling john they'd have to move it, which set it off its axis.

john told jack he'd have to lie about the island because he thought jack was going to get everyone that wanted off the island off. not that it was jack's fault that the ship blew up but he still only rescued 6 of them

sorry if this is incomprhensible, i burned my left hand today and it hurts too much to type with
I agree with you and did not think of it that way. You make a lot of good points in there.

[WarpSpeedChewy]

Here's the simplified version of it that, really, you probably won't regret hovering over: There will be a wedding in the season finale.
Whoa. Kinda of curious as to who it could be. There are a lot of choices. Don't spoil it for me though.

I can't wait to see how Sawyer handles this situation, this is really his first real test at leadership since he got them into the DI. He's been doing excellent so far, but now he has Sayid's life in the balance and this is his first real situation with this much at stake.
This is what is getting me excited for the new episode. I'm ready to see everyone in their new roles.

i don't think Jack should be given credit for Hurley/Sayid/Kate either. he seemed shocked that they were all on the plane and wanting to go back. Locke gets credit for Jack but that's all we have seen at this point. i don't give Jack any credit except for doing what he had to to get back and putting the shoes on Locke and stuff and taking him back with him.
Very true. Though that was as close to an impossible task as it could get. I think that was the start of Jack getting on the right track. I think he did all that he could. Everyone else had to make that choice for themselves.

I disagree with you guys defending Jack. Locke knew the people on the freighter were bad, he said not to contact them, jack did anyway because he was trying to rescue everyone. he put the island in danger, which resulted in jacob telling john they'd have to move it, which set it off its axis.

john told jack he'd have to lie about the island because he thought jack was going to get everyone that wanted off the island off. not that it was jack's fault that the ship blew up but he still only rescued 6 of them

sorry if this is incomprhensible, i burned my left hand today and it hurts too much to type
Well Locke didn't have the best track record at the time and what was Jack supposed to tell everyone who wanted to leave. They saw a chance and they took it. Misguided yes but the intent wasn't.

True. But Jack had no control over that. He did his best.

I hope we never have a discussion like that on this thread. I bet we would lose a lot of people.
Let's hug. :hug:

I'm glad everyone here is really cool and the disagreement never got that heated.

[batmannj]

lol I just hope Jason doesn't one day watch LOST and come in here and hate on us haha. Dude is scary when he is pissed.

[Greg]

Very true. Though that was as close to an impossible task as it could get. I think that was the start of Jack getting on the right track. I think he did all that he could. Everyone else had to make that choice for themselves.



i def agree that Locke did all that he could. for sure. but i just don't think he should get credit for bring the O6 back. and to be honest, at the moment, i don't know who to give the credit to yet. my guess is that there were multiple people involved in getting the rest of them back.

[Ailite]

Hell of a "discussion" going on in the Let the Right One In thread right now. I love watching these things happen, haha.
haha, thanks for bringing my attention to this

[Greg]

lol I just hope Jason doesn't one day watch LOST and come in here and hate on us haha. Dude is scary when he is pissed.
haha well i know he doesn't like LOST. i think in the Pushing Daisies thread they were arguing about it for some reason.

[CellarGhosts]

I don't think Jason hates anyone for liking LOST. I mean, yes he is scary when he's pissed haha and yeah he hates the show but I feel like he'll at least respect someone's liking for it. :shrug:

[Ailite]

We would all collectively crush him if he tried to pull that on us. I think.

[alann]

Everyone, check out the Pushing Daisies thread for Jason's take on LOST.

[batmannj]

I don't think Jason hates anyone for liking LOST. I mean, yes he is scary when he's pissed haha and yeah he hates the show but I feel like he'll at least respect someone's liking for it. :shrug:
Agreed. I just think that one of us would have to say something to him, that is usually how it starts.

[smoothchanvere]

i def agree that Locke did all that he could. for sure. but i just don't think he should get credit for bring the O6 back. and to be honest, at the moment, i don't know who to give the credit to yet. my guess is that there were multiple people involved in getting the rest of them back.
No one person can fully have credit I don't think, can't wait to see what made the rest decide to go back.
Another reason I'm excited for this episode (besides what Luke said about everyone in their new roles) is what got Sayid on the plane. From the looks he gave on 316, he was surprised to see everyone on the plane, I don't think he knew he was going back.

[starseed]

Agreed. I just think that one of us would have to say something to him, that is usually how it starts.

This is just something I've noticed in my time lurking around AP, and I think that really a lot of the arguments Tate gets into with other people are usually started by the other people. Usually they say something a little out of line or a little unnecessary that gets the ball rolling. I mean, I'll be honest, Tate is one of the reasons I've never been interested in signing up before, but most of the time I can see why he gets agitated.

[CellarGhosts]

Agreed. I just think that one of us would have to say something to him, that is usually how it starts.
Yeah, probably. Nice new avatar btw :-d

[batmannj]

No one person can fully have credit I don't think, can't wait to see what made the rest decide to go back.
Another reason I'm excited for this episode (besides what Luke said about everyone in their new roles) is what got Sayid on the plane. From the looks he gave on 316, he was surprised to see everyone on the plane, I don't think he knew he was going back.
Yeah I am hoping we find out more about Ceaser and Ilana (I believe that is her name) too. I want to know what Saiyd was doing on that plane and what really set him off this time.

[batmannj]

This is just something I've noticed in my time lurking around AP, and I think that really a lot of the arguments Tate gets into with other people are usually started by the other people. Usually they say something a little out of line or a little unnecessary that gets the ball rolling. I mean, I'll be honest, Tate is one of the reasons I've never been interested in signing up before, but most of the time I can see why he gets agitated.
Yeah that is true. I remember when he was really going off on the guys from Envy on the Coast. It was pretty epic.
Yeah, probably. Nice new avatar btw :-d
Thank you thank you. I was like, Eko is nice, but I need a new LOST character. Radzinsky won in the end haha.

EDIT: and sorry about the second double post.

[CellarGhosts]

Yeah that is true. I remember when he was really going off on the guys from Envy on the Coast. It was pretty epic.

Thank you thank you. I was like, Eko is nice, but I need a new LOST character. Radzinsky won in the end haha.

EDIT: and sorry about the second double post.
Haha, good man.

[poppa Q]

Whoa. Kinda of curious as to who it could be. There are a lot of choices. Don't spoil it for me though.
It has yet to be announced, just speculation.
haha, thanks for bringing my attention to this
For the record, it's one hell of a movie.
We would all collectively crush him if he tried to pull that on us. I think.

Not a chance. Even when Jason Tate gets "crushed," Jason Tate is never crushed, haha.

[batmannj]

Here's the simplified version of it that, really, you probably won't regret hovering over: There will be a wedding in the season finale.
.
I hope it is done well and is not something cheesy.

[poppa Q]

Is it safe to assume that the island isn't upset with Ben for killing Locke since his arm was healed upon the plane's crash-landing?

[Ailite]

Is it safe to assume that the island isn't upset with Ben for killing Locke since his arm was healed upon the plane's crash-landing?
Haha, very nice observation.

[batmannj]

Is it safe to assume that the island isn't upset with Ben for killing Locke since his arm was healed upon the plane's crash-landing?
I'm not sure. I mean it could be. I just want to know what the island/Jacob's/Christian's motivations are.

[starseed]

Is it safe to assume that the island isn't upset with Ben for killing Locke since his arm was healed upon the plane's crash-landing?

Both Christian and Richard seemed to know already that Locke was gonna die, so I think the island just accepts that Ben did what was supposed to happen, sort of. I think the island is really pretty funny about judgment.

[Losthope182]

Wow, this thread is moving pretty quick already....I'm just subscribing, don't really have anything else to say haha.

[stayillogical]

On another note, I was reading somewhere recently that the only unanswered question from the pilot is when Charlie asks, "Guys, where are we?" Does anyone else think it could be a lost Egyptian city? I think there are a few out there.

[smoothchanvere]

Both Christian and Richard seemed to know already that Locke was gonna die, so I think the island just accepts that Ben did what was supposed to happen, sort of. I think the island is really pretty funny about judgment.
I'm still with that Ben was supposed to kill Locke. Though that's probably not why Ben killed him, I'm sure he had his own reasons, but I think he was supposed to come back to the island dead, but not because of suicide, so he could be reborn again and actually find his purpose.

[nivek87]

Finally got to read Fish biscuits review at the 'ol laundry mat and although she hated on Jack like there was no tomorrow and was on Sawyers nuts like squirrel, I thought she raised some interesting things to think about. I really almost jumped out of my chair when she brought up the list Ben made. Then I got to thinking. At the time, Ben was captured so I don't know how Bea got the list. Also, why wouldn't Jin be on that list too?

[stayillogical]

Finally got to read Fish biscuits review at the 'ol laundry mat and although she hated on Jack like there was no tomorrow and was on Sawyers nuts like squirrel, I thought she raised some interesting things to think about. I really almost jumped out of my chair when she brought up the list Ben made. Then I got to thinking. At the time, Ben was captured so I don't know how Bea got the list. Also, why wouldn't Jin be on that list too?

The list for Michael, right? I was flipping out over that too when you first posted the link to the blog. I didn't think about Jin, very good point. Maybe he knew that Ji-Yeon was going to be conceived and he couldn't interfere. Trying to think of a reason, that's all I got right now.

[starseed]

On another note, I was reading somewhere recently that the only unanswered question from the pilot is when Charlie asks, "Guys, where are we?" Does anyone else think it could be a lost Egyptian city? I think there are a few out there.

I think it's an alien spaceship. The donkey wheel is Stargate.

[stayillogical]

I think it's an alien spaceship. The donkey wheel is Stargate.

:-(

[Rawrr]

I don't like Fishbiscuit because she is always too busy talking about Sawyer or some other non-sensical shit.

[stayillogical]

Well... her blog is named after a Sawyer related event AND she's a girl. It should definitely be expected and at least she's consistent. I approve of the Sawyer fandom. :nod:

[Rawrr]

Absolutepunxxx has "punk" in the title, but it's not only revovled around "punk" music. Jus' sayin'.

[stayillogical]

:eyebrow:

It's a very short amount she spends on Sawyer talk, Jake. She makes some good observations and she's pretty witty. Give her another shot.

[nivek87]

I think she spends a little too much talking about Sawyer, making fun of the o-suckers as she calls them, and hating on Jack, but she makes up for it with her intelligence and makes a fan of me. love her recaps.

[alann]

I like her.

[batmannj]

I have never read Fishbiscuit. Could someone post the link please?

[poppa Q]

Link's in the first post, I believe.

EDIT: If not: http://fishbiscuitlandblog.blogspot.com/

[batmannj]

Link's in the first post, I believe.

EDIT: If not: http://fishbiscuitlandblog.blogspot.com/
Thank you. I went and checked it out, but I don't like how the blog has pictures in between everything though. It was freezing up my PC, so I will shift to the laptop haha.

[GRIFFARD]

Is it safe to assume that the island isn't upset with Ben for killing Locke since his arm was healed upon the plane's crash-landing?

My question: has the island ever NOT healed someone based on what they have done?

[smoothchanvere]

The only thing I can think of at the moment is Ben's tumor on his spine.

[alann]

I want to know what the hell are these things.
http://images4.wikia.nocookie.net/lostpedia/images/3/3d/Jars.jpg

[Greg]

My question: has the island ever NOT healed someone based on what they have done?
well we don't know why..... but the island let Ben get cancer and had to have Jack operate on him to save him. so that says something. what that something is has yet to be determined haha

[stayillogical]

I want to know what the hell are these things.
http://images4.wikia.nocookie.net/lostpedia/images/3/3d/Jars.jpg

Canopic jars.

[SteveD]

well we don't know why..... but the island let Ben get cancer and had to have Jack operate on him to save him. so that says something. what that something is has yet to be determined haha

Well Ben had to get cancer to really set everything in motion you know?

Everything seems to be coming together I cant wait until they just flip everything upside down.

This thread is flying so far.

[batmannj]

I want to know what the hell are these things.
http://images4.wikia.nocookie.net/lostpedia/images/3/3d/Jars.jpg

Facehuggers.

[alann]

Canopic jars.
Damn. Very possible.

[stayillogical]

Damn. Very possible.

It just looks to me like the red ones have something in them. And there's exactly four, which is the number of one set of canopic jars. I have no clue what the yellow ones are to support that theory though. Hmm, this just occurred to me when you posted the photo. I'll build on it later. I wish I could be writing my paper right now on LOST.

[batmannj]

The next time I get to write a paper, I may lobby with my teacher so I can write about LOST in a paper. I could write a book if I really wanted haha.

[nivek87]

It just looks to me like the red ones have something in them. And there's exactly four, which is the number of one set of canopic jars. I have no clue what the yellow ones are to support that theory though. Hmm, this just occurred to me when you posted the photo. I'll build on it later. I wish I could be writing my paper right now on LOST.

and where did the custom of canopic jars originate from? Only ancient Egypt of course.

[WarpSpeedChewy]

i def agree that Locke did all that he could. for sure. but i just don't think he should get credit for bring the O6 back. and to be honest, at the moment, i don't know who to give the credit to yet. my guess is that there were multiple people involved in getting the rest of them back.
I'd definitely agree to that.

Everyone, check out the Pushing Daisies thread for Jason's take on LOST.
That whole conversation nearly ruined that thread. I wonder if he just came in there just to talk shit considering I never knew that he liked or talked about Pushing Daises.

Is it safe to assume that the island isn't upset with Ben for killing Locke since his arm was healed upon the plane's crash-landing?
It happened off-island. Plus Ben knew the island would bring him back. That probably gave Ben an island-pass.

I'm still with that Ben was supposed to kill Locke. Though that's probably not why Ben killed him, I'm sure he had his own reasons, but I think he was supposed to come back to the island dead, but not because of suicide, so he could be reborn again and actually find his purpose.
I actually think it's quite the opposite. Ben knew Locke was important in someway and just wanted to try and change that as much as possible. Wither he knew of future events involving Locke remains to be seen, but I think Jacob is probably in charge of knowledge of future events considering the producers have said it was someone like Jacob who ordered the runway to be built.

The only thing I can think of at the moment is Ben's tumor on his spine.
From what I understand, that was caused by Jacob.

[stayillogical]

and where did the custom of canopic jars originate from? Only ancient Egypt of course.

Poor Jacob had his brains sucked out through his nose.

The yellow jars could be oil used in the embalming process. This is fun to think about.

[alann]

Probably just Jacob's piss.

[SteveD]

you might be right.

but honestly it seems like that would be wrong. we KNOW Locke got to Jack, give credit where credit is due. it seems Sun went because Ben showed proof that Jin was alive. i guess an argument could be made that Ben only knew that because he took the ring from Locke so it is Locke who really did it. but Locke didn't want Sun to come back because of Jin's request, so i don't think he would want that credit. give credit to Locke for honoring Jin's request. but Kate Sayid and Hurly were not convinced by Locke. and Jack seemed just as surprised that they were going back so i don't think you could credit Locke via Jack for them either since Jack didn't get them to go back either. but to be fair, we don't know yet how they got to the flight or why they wanted to go back for those three. so at the moment i don't think you can credit Locke or Jack with Kate/Hurley/Sayid.

Honestly I give credit to Ben for a lot of it.

Hell of a "discussion" going on in the Let the Right One In thread right now. I love watching these things happen, haha.

Can you tell me what exactly happened?

[starseed]

Probably just Jacob's piss.

I was gonna say, it's blood and urine samples. The Others have a firm anti-drug policy.

[nivek87]

Probably just Jacob's piss.

I was looking for a Vincent pee angle, but the blunt/passiveness of your post made me actually laugh out loud.

[batmannj]

That whole conversation nearly ruined that thread. I wonder if he just came in there just to talk shit considering I never knew that he liked or talked about Pushing Daises.

I just went back and read that thread about the LOST part. Wow, that was rough, I really hope nothing like that happens in here.

[stayillogical]

I was going to start with some Biblical references, but after that, I can't take this seriously now. Great job Alann, hahah.

And, I'm out. :bloop:

[atticusfinch]

damn, new thread.

i'm debating missing LOST on wednesday to go see As Tall As Lions instead.

[batmannj]

damn, new thread.

i'm debating missing LOST on wednesday to go see As Tall As Lions instead.

Go for it man. You can always rewatch LOST online for free and As Tall As Lions is an awesome band that may not work out like Wednesday for you.

[atticusfinch]

Go for it man. You can always rewatch LOST online for free and As Tall As Lions is an awesome band that may not work out like Wednesday for you.

Yeah, exactly. I'd rather see a great show than potentially feel let down by LOST. The risks are lower going to a great show.

[batmannj]

Yeah, exactly. I'd rather see a great show than potentially feel let down by LOST. The risks are lower going to a great show.

For sure. And its not like you can replay the show either. I love my LOST, but I would skip it for a good show knowing I can catch it the next morning lol

[alann]

http://lostmediamentions.blogspot.com/2009/03/rebecca-mader-pissed-at-darlton.html#comments
Cheese Red, chill out.

[starseed]

http://lostmediamentions.blogspot.com/2009/03/rebecca-mader-pissed-at-darlton.html#comments
Cheese Red, chill out.

You know what they say about redheads.

[poppa Q]

My question: has the island ever NOT healed someone based on what they have done?

The only thing I can think of at the moment is Ben's tumor on his spine.
I think it's pretty commonly accepted that good things/looked upon favorably by the island = being healed, vice versa = bad things. Hence Ben's tumor and Jack's appendix bursting.
It happened off-island. Plus Ben knew the island would bring him back. That probably gave Ben an island-pass.
True, but my wonderment comes from whether or not the island healed his arm. Just like Locke's accident happened off island before him getting his legs back on island.
Honestly I give credit to Ben for a lot of it.



Can you tell me what exactly happened?
Basically Tate went off about how Let the Right One In (widely praised as one of the best films of last year) is basically the worst movie he's ever seen without offering any evidence/support as to why, followed by hilariousness.
damn, new thread.

i'm debating missing LOST on wednesday to go see As Tall As Lions instead.

Absolutely go see As Tall As Lions, I hear they put on one hell of a live show. They rarely come to the midwest, but I'd drop just about anything to go see them play.

[atticusfinch]

http://lostmediamentions.blogspot.com/2009/03/rebecca-mader-pissed-at-darlton.html#comments
Cheese Red, chill out.

gah what a cunt.

she has always come off as a total bitch and i never liked her character. unattractive, and a waste of space.

[poppa Q]

http://lostmediamentions.blogspot.com/2009/03/rebecca-mader-pissed-at-darlton.html#comments
Cheese Red, chill out.
Oh dang haha. Kinda weird that Darlton would "make that up," wonder what we're missing.
You know what they say about redheads.
Firecrotch.

[atticusfinch]

Absolutely go see As Tall As Lions, I hear they put on one hell of a live show. They rarely come to the midwest, but I'd drop just about anything to go see them play.

Oh i have seen them twice before. One of my favorite bands.

I'll be missing LOST on wednesday 2 weeks in a row, if I go. Ben Folds is next wednesday. wooooo.

[alann]

Oh i have seen them twice before. One of my favorite bands.

I'll be missing LOST on wednesday 2 weeks in a row, if I go. Ben Folds is next wednesday. wooooo.
Lucky you. Or should I say The Luckiest?

[starseed]

Jack's appendix bursting.

Basically Tate went off about how Let the Right One In (widely praised as one of the best films of last year) is basically the worst movie he's ever seen without offering any evidence/support as to why, followed by hilariousness.

At first I was like huh, and then I realized I totally forgot all about that plot point. Wow.

And really, not to drag that argument into here, but I don't really think Tate should've had to offer any evidence or support. Clearly he didn't even really want to talk about it. I figure he just wanted to make his opinion known.

[poppa Q]

Oh i have seen them twice before. One of my favorite bands.

I'll be missing LOST on wednesday 2 weeks in a row, if I go. Ben Folds is next wednesday. wooooo.

Oh nice! Last week was my first wednesday watching Lost after missing the last three (at the Mizzou/OU and Mizzou/K-State games then it was off the air...it was brutal).

And Ben Folds always puts on a great live show.

[poppa Q]

At first I was like huh, and then I realized I totally forgot all about that plot point. Wow.

And really, not to drag that argument into here, but I don't really think Tate should've had to offer any evidence or support. Clearly he didn't even really want to talk about it. I figure he just wanted to make his opinion known.

Oh I agree haha, I couldn't care less what he does or doesn't like and why. Just explaining what caused the fuss.

[atticusfinch]

Oh nice! Last week was my first wednesday watching Lost after missing the last three (at the Mizzou/OU and Mizzou/K-State games then it was off the air...it was brutal).

And Ben Folds always puts on a great live show.

Yeah, it's my first time seeing Ben Folds so I'm stoked. I think I'm about 13 rows back.

[atticusfinch]

Lucky you. Or should I say The Luckiest?

:appl:

[smoothchanvere]

Oh i have seen them twice before. One of my favorite bands.

I'll be missing LOST on wednesday 2 weeks in a row, if I go. Ben Folds is next wednesday. wooooo.
Oh that is so worth missing LOST, sure to be a great show. I've yet to see Ben Folds live, but hopefully this will change come May.

[nivek87]

Lucky you. Or should I say The Luckiest?

I see what you did there.

[poppa Q]

Yeah, it's my first time seeing Ben Folds so I'm stoked. I think I'm about 13 rows back.

Oh that is so worth missing LOST, sure to be a great show. I've yet to see Ben Folds live, but hopefully this will change come May.

Good for you guys, I've been fortunate enough to catch him three times but the first show was the best.

[nivek87]

http://lostmediamentions.blogspot.com/2009/03/rebecca-mader-pissed-at-darlton.html#comments
Cheese Red, chill out.

Even if that was just a fan page writer, I still figure they were just covering their own butts and that they messed up.

[whoaisame]

I heard that on the Lost podcast today. If Darlton did lie, its kinda shitty, but its no reason to go posting myspace crap about it. It's not like Rebecca Mader's reputation is going to be ruined because of it.

[whoaisame]

I just read the Pushing Daisies "Lost Sucks/Lost rules" discussion. First of all, if anyone comes in this thread trying to shit on LOST, don't even fight back, it'll ruin the thread.

I don't care if other people don't like LOST, their loss. But I hate when people say LOST sucks when in fact they watch terrible cookie cutter sitcom or some reality TV garbage. I'm not talking about Pushing Daisies, Ive never seen it. LOST is so original and brilliant and it's a shame some people can't see that. I hate when people say "the writers dont know what they are doing, they make it up as they go along". To this I say "No". We as fans know that that is bullshit. But even if they did make it up as they go along, what TV show doesn't? Do you think TV shows know what is going to happen 6 seasons ahead of time? (besides at least LOST, others I dont know)

Anyways tho. I haven't been in here that much, I was wondering, Has anyone heard the theory that Lapidus, Ben, and Sun are in an alternate/parallel reality of the future? A future where the numbers are still being repeated from the radio tower among other things. Anyone have any theories as to where/when they are? I always thought they were in 2007/8ish but why would the numbers be repeating still?

[WarpSpeedChewy]

http://lostmediamentions.blogspot.com/2009/03/rebecca-mader-pissed-at-darlton.html#comments
Cheese Red, chill out.
I don't understand why people make so much of a bid deal out of this error in date. Hell, just think of whoever wrote that in the LOST universe just made a typo. That's what I do with those type of errors. I don't think it's a big enough deal that Darlton or Rebecca Mader (who did a great job on the show) should get crap about it. A mistake that small is not even close to being worth arguing about.

[sdbrown]

My question: has the island ever NOT healed someone based on what they have done?
Boone's leg, Shannon, Michael had his arm in the sling from the gunshot wound for a while, Ben's spine, Jack's appendix...probably one or two more.

I forgot to mention before, but other than Ben I'm sure Jacob is responsible for getting the rest of the O6 back. I'm sure he conjured some island craziness to get Hurley back and I'm still not sure if Ilana was 'in' with Ben, since if Sayid was being deported they were going in the wrong direction- or if it was Jacob's doing.

That sucks about Rebeca Mader and the age thing. I gotta agree with Luke, think fans would be very accepting if Darlton said the writers just made a mistake. Lost is a big, complicated world to keep track of, only assholes would expect them to be perfect.

[valencourt]

Perhaps Ben didn't go back to the island, because young Ben is there. And maybe that baby we see in Dharma times isn't Miles, but it's really Sun! Which is why she didn't make it back either. Probs not though.

[batmannj]

I just read the Pushing Daisies "Lost Sucks/Lost rules" discussion. First of all, if anyone comes in this thread trying to shit on LOST, don't even fight back, it'll ruin the thread.

I don't care if other people don't like LOST, their loss. But I hate when people say LOST sucks when in fact they watch terrible cookie cutter sitcom or some reality TV garbage. I'm not talking about Pushing Daisies, Ive never seen it. LOST is so original and brilliant and it's a shame some people can't see that. I hate when people say "the writers dont know what they are doing, they make it up as they go along". To this I say "No". We as fans know that that is bullshit. But even if they did make it up as they go along, what TV show doesn't? Do you think TV shows know what is going to happen 6 seasons ahead of time? (besides at least LOST, others I dont know)

Anyways tho. I haven't been in here that much, I was wondering, Has anyone heard the theory that Lapidus, Ben, and Sun are in an alternate/parallel reality of the future? A future where the numbers are still being repeated from the radio tower among other things. Anyone have any theories as to where/when they are? I always thought they were in 2007/8ish but why would the numbers be repeating still?

I totally think that in the last part your theory could be dependent on what the rest of the O6 do in the past. I think that somehow they might influence the future, despite what Faraday has theorized.

[xeno6919]

I just read the Pushing Daisies "Lost Sucks/Lost rules" discussion. First of all, if anyone comes in this thread trying to shit on LOST, don't even fight back, it'll ruin the thread.

I don't care if other people don't like LOST, their loss. But I hate when people say LOST sucks when in fact they watch terrible cookie cutter sitcom or some reality TV garbage. I'm not talking about Pushing Daisies, Ive never seen it. LOST is so original and brilliant and it's a shame some people can't see that. I hate when people say "the writers dont know what they are doing, they make it up as they go along". To this I say "No". We as fans know that that is bullshit. But even if they did make it up as they go along, what TV show doesn't? Do you think TV shows know what is going to happen 6 seasons ahead of time? (besides at least LOST, others I dont know)


:clap:

[stayillogical]

I clearly missed something in a recent episode. When do we hear the numbers repeating in Sun's time? Or does someone mention it?

[batmannj]

I clearly missed something in a recent episode. When do we hear the numbers repeating in Sun's time? Or does someone mention it?

As the plane is going down you can hear them in the background when Frank puts it down on the runway. It did not sound like Hurley saying them to me.

[stayillogical]

As the plane is going down you can hear them in the background when Frank puts it down on the runway. It did not sound like Hurley saying them to me.

Thanks. I actually had someone walk into my room at that moment, I figured I missed something! Ugh.

[batmannj]

Thanks. I actually had someone walk into my room at that moment, I figured I missed something! Ugh.

lol yeah I know what you mean. I remember back during Season 2 when we saw Desmond in the hatch (but didn't know it was Desmond) and he was doing all his stuff a friend called me because he knew I would be home because LOST was on. I was kinda rude to him on the phone haha.

[Greg]

someone said on the Jay and Jack 25 hr podcast that the closed captioning said the numbers were not the actual numbers. i remember they said instead of sixteen it actually said sixty.

someone needs to confirm that though

[stayillogical]

Closed captioning has typos all the time. It's really not a good source.

[nivek87]

someone said on the Jay and Jack 25 hr podcast that the closed captioning said the numbers were not the actual numbers. i remember they said instead of sixteen it actually said sixty.

someone needs to confirm that though

I am in class right now, but here is the audio from the crash scene in Namaste,

http://losteastereggs.blogspot.com/2009/03/numbers-audio.html

[longstoryshort_]

i may be completely wrong here but does anyone think radzinsky looks a lot like the gy repeating the numbers in the institute hurley was in?

[nivek87]

i may be completely wrong here but does anyone think radzinsky looks a lot like the gy repeating the numbers in the institute hurley was in?

I definitely see a resemblance between him and Leonard, but I don't think they are the same person. I think his story checks out to a degree. Just like Danielle and her crew heard the numbers while at sail, it isn't doubtful that he heard them when Sam and him were stationed at their post, especially considering they were located in the South Pacific.

[TheZeroKid]

I just heard the audio of the numbers being transmitted. I totally didn't catch that at all!

[nivek87]

I am bored in class and the post I brought up the possibility is in the old thread.

So I give you, my last hurrah at the possibility of two opposing smoke monsters. A godly smoke monster as we may---one who appears to very few people, however is very much present for the most part, but is represented as the invisible. On the other end of the spectrum there is a evil monster, one that is always there and and always around.

One of LOST major themes is duality. We are faced with fate vs. free will, coincidence vs. destiny, good vs. bad, science vs. faith, karma vs. redemption, and so on. Many times these themes are symbolized through the theme of black and white. This has undoubtably been a long reoccurring theme and has been around since the pilot. Just as Locke said to Walt, "two players. Two sides. One is light, one is dark." There are plenty of other examples, the white bunny with the black numbers, the white and black stones found with Adam and Eve, the countdown timer on the swan, Lockes eyes during Claire's dream, games such as Chess and Backgammon, and the list goes on.

So why not two smoke monsters, one that is good and one that is evil. Since this is a major theme in the show, we should at least consider it right?

First, how fitting would it be, especially for you Locke fans if a godly white smoke monster payed a visit to Locke. Locke described what he saw in Walkabout to Jack as, "beautiful" and later to Eko as "a beautiful bright light."

His next encounter was much different in Exodus though. When he heard the monster, he began to follow the noises and seemed at peace with it, however, when he saw the monster, he immediately looked at it as if he was witnessing something he had never seen before and was undoubtably terrified. Before the monster began to even chase him, instead of standing tall like he did before, he sprinted off like he was getting the hell out of dodge. He later described this experience in Exodus during "A Man of Science, A Man of Faith" as a column of black smoke. Much differently as what he described in his prior experience with the 'monster.'

Also, he told Eko that he saw it once. However, he had to interactions with the monster. So could be a hint that he saw the beautiful bright lighted monster one time and since Eko was a spiritual man, he thought Eko might have saw it too?

I know there are some similarities between Ekos experiences the first time he saw the monster as well as the second time, but at the same time, they were very different. Same goes with Juliet and Kates experience, there are some similarities, but there are also many differences.

All I am suggesting is this, lets look at the major themes, look at the testimonials, and lets not so quickly rule it out. If there are two opposing smokeys, wouldn't that be something really special to reveal at the end of the series? I think so.

I leave you with this :-)

[poppa Q]

I think opposed to the idea of two different smoke monsters, it's just what the monster(/island) decides how to reveal itself to the person it is "interacting" with. Well thought out though, I guess we'll see.

[CellarGhosts]

Just watched "The Other 48 Days" on G4, and though it's still one of my least favorite episodes, it was interesting seeing it again knowing all the things we know now. :shrug:

[Greg]

i will say "no way" simply because i think the whole theory is motivated by your dream than actually watching the show. sure you have a long post with some valid possible points, but nowhere near enough to say for sure IMO. so at the moment i will say "no way!" haha

the closest i would go with is what poppa Q just said, with how the island decides to reveal itself. i think that make more sense than actually having 2 smoke monsters. and poppa's theory is supported by a lot of what you said. i just don't see real evidence for 2 monsters.

what episode/scene is the screen cap from though? if anything that is your best piece of evidence towards a white monster.

[Greg]

I am in class right now, but here is the audio from the crash scene in Namaste,

http://losteastereggs.blogspot.com/2009/03/numbers-audio.html
oh ok, i see. but the thing itself refers to the episode where Sayid says signals like that can come from anywhere or anytime. so it could just be it somehow being bounced back? i dunno. interesting none the less.

[stayillogical]

I was writing the world "lost" in another thread and I instinctively capitalized it.

[alboneceleste]

I'm more sad that I can't participate in the posting along during the episode on wednesday, than missing the episode, since it'll already be on abc.com by Thurs morning.

[SockMonkeyRiot]

I saw that picture of the white smoke monster on another forum, I think some guy just set off some smoke bombs in the woods and took pictures.

[SteveD]

I am bored in class and the post I brought up the possibility is in the old thread.

So I give you, my last hurrah at the possibility of two opposing smoke monsters. A godly smoke monster as we may---one who appears to very few people, however is very much present for the most part, but is represented as the invisible. On the other end of the spectrum there is a evil monster, one that is always there and and always around.

One of LOST major themes is duality. We are faced with fate vs. free will, coincidence vs. destiny, good vs. bad, science vs. faith, karma vs. redemption, and so on. Many times these themes are symbolized through the theme of black and white. This has undoubtably been a long reoccurring theme and has been around since the pilot. Just as Locke said to Walt, "two players. Two sides. One is light, one is dark." There are plenty of other examples, the white bunny with the black numbers, the white and black stones found with Adam and Eve, the countdown timer on the swan, Lockes eyes during Claire's dream, games such as Chess and Backgammon, and the list goes on.

So why not two smoke monsters, one that is good and one that is evil. Since this is a major theme in the show, we should at least consider it right?

First, how fitting would it be, especially for you Locke fans if a godly white smoke monster payed a visit to Locke. Locke described what he saw in Walkabout to Jack as, "beautiful" and later to Eko as "a beautiful bright light."

His next encounter was much different in Exodus though. When he heard the monster, he began to follow the noises and seemed at peace with it, however, when he saw the monster, he immediately looked at it as if he was witnessing something he had never seen before and was undoubtably terrified. Before the monster began to even chase him, instead of standing tall like he did before, he sprinted off like he was getting the hell out of dodge. He later described this experience in Exodus during "A Man of Science, A Man of Faith" as a column of black smoke. Much differently as what he described in his prior experience with the 'monster.'

Also, he told Eko that he saw it once. However, he had to interactions with the monster. So could be a hint that he saw the beautiful bright lighted monster one time and since Eko was a spiritual man, he thought Eko might have saw it too?

I know there are some similarities between Ekos experiences the first time he saw the monster as well as the second time, but at the same time, they were very different. Same goes with Juliet and Kates experience, there are some similarities, but there are also many differences.

All I am suggesting is this, lets look at the major themes, look at the testimonials, and lets not so quickly rule it out. If there are two opposing smokeys, wouldn't that be something really special to reveal at the end of the series? I think so.

I leave you with this :-)

First off this is a pretty cool theory, pretty original I haven't heard anything like it. I commend the time it took to write it.

But.

I really don't think their are two smoke monsters, especially a white one. If anything I think it would be still black.

I think the reason for the smoke monster acting different towards the people it has already shown itself to is because of the choices they had made and it was the will of the island.

Interesting theory though.

Just watched "The Other 48 Days" on G4, and though it's still one of my least favorite episodes, it was interesting seeing it again knowing all the things we know now. :shrug:

That whole ark was pretty dull to me. The only tailie I liked was Eko. The other few are pretty worthless, besides Libby I guess, just because she liked Hurley and Hurley is awesome.

I was writing the world "lost" in another thread and I instinctively capitalized it.

I do that all the time now it's bad hah.

I'm more sad that I can't participate in the posting along during the episode on wednesday, than missing the episode, since it'll already be on abc.com by Thurs morning.

I never watch the show when it airs, so I am never here to discuss with everyone :(

I always wait for the download. I hate commercials. hah.

[starseed]

I always watch the show online, as well as Heroes, because cable is too expensive for me and my antenna is broken and I can't afford a new one. Being unemployed rocks.

[WarpSpeedChewy]

Boone's leg, Shannon, Michael had his arm in the sling from the gunshot wound for a while, Ben's spine, Jack's appendix...probably one or two more.

I forgot to mention before, but other than Ben I'm sure Jacob is responsible for getting the rest of the O6 back. I'm sure he conjured some island craziness to get Hurley back and I'm still not sure if Ilana was 'in' with Ben, since if Sayid was being deported they were going in the wrong direction- or if it was Jacob's doing.

That sucks about Rebeca Mader and the age thing. I gotta agree with Luke, think fans would be very accepting if Darlton said the writers just made a mistake. Lost is a big, complicated world to keep track of, only assholes would expect them to be perfect.
Thing about Boone's leg is that I think Boone was too far along in terms of his injuries. He may have been able to recover quickly if Jack was able to fix it. I always thought of Boone to be more of a bystander than a victim. I wonder out too much stock into certain injuries but things like Jack's appendix and Ben's tumor, something that would be caused naturally within the human body do raise more curiosity.

I think Jacob is the person who has in mind how things are supposed to be and supposed to work on the island. Agreed with you there.

I honestly don't think it's a big deal either way. I don't like the idea that the fans think they are owned some type of correction for this type of mistake for a detail this small.

I saw that picture of the white smoke monster on another forum, I think some guy just set off some smoke bombs in the woods and took pictures.
Agreed.

[CellarGhosts]

That whole arc was pretty dull to me. The only tailie I liked was Eko. The other few are pretty worthless, besides Libby I guess, just because she liked Hurley and Hurley is awesome.
Meh, agreed but still. I thought it was at least an interesting glimpse into events taking place outside of our "main" Losties at the time. Eko was definitely awesome though. I still like the scene where Ana confronts and eventually kills Goodwin too. Not because he got killed or anything, I just liked how she clued him in to the fact that she knew he wasn't one of them, and he's just sort of eerie the entire scene.

[Mirrorsandfevers]

If they do somehow bring back Libby's story, how do you think it'll be revisited?

[starseed]

If they do somehow bring back Libby's story, how do you think it'll be revisited?

I just think they could get away with throwing her out as Widmore's spy on the original crash. I mean, if Abaddon kept tabs on Locke, it's possible that Widmore kept tabs on everyone else too. Libby was probably in the instiution spying on Hurley and she gave Desmond the boat because Widmore knew that's how he'd get to the island.

[Mercy Medical]

Subscribing.

[alboneceleste]

I forgot about some of the ties for Libby, I'd love it if they tied up her story.

[SteveD]

If they do somehow bring back Libby's story, how do you think it'll be revisited?

I doubt they will revisit her, she did her part. They have a lot more important things to get to. I would like to see her visit Hurley though, you would think she would have by now.

[CellarGhosts]

I do hope we see Libby again. I'm almost sure we will.

[xeno6919]

I am in class right now, but here is the audio from the crash scene in Namaste,

http://losteastereggs.blogspot.com/2009/03/numbers-audio.html
Thanks, I did not catch this at all.
I was writing the world "lost" in another thread and I instinctively capitalized it.
That is hilarious, and awesome.
I do hope we see Libby again. I'm almost sure we will.
I want to see her again also. I am like you in thinking that we will see her again.

[Mercy Medical]

I doubt they will revisit her, she did her part. They have a lot more important things to get to. I would like to see her visit Hurley though, you would think she would have by now.
Did her part? They left a major thing open ended with her...the fact that she was in the mental institution with Hurley. It's difficult for me to believe that her time on Lost is truly over...

[nivek87]

I think opposed to the idea of two different smoke monsters, it's just what the monster(/island) decides how to reveal itself to the person it is "interacting" with. Well thought out though, I guess we'll see.

I hear ya. Maybe when Locke saw the monster the first time, it did appear as a bright pillar of smoke. The show also likes to take good and bad and find a grey area inbetween. I wouldn't doubt smokey could be just as bad as he is good.
i will say "no way" simply because i think the whole theory is motivated by your dream than actually watching the show. sure you have a long post with some valid possible points, but nowhere near enough to say for sure IMO.


because everything I posted was inspired by my dream and none of the concepts, statements, quotes, and themes have been presented in LOST.

The fact of the matter is, I am not saying its the absolute truth. I am not claiming it is the final verdict or that LOST is solved, game over, yippee, lets all go home, but on the contrary, I am saying I have a theory, one that I don't completely buy myself, however it is what it is and is cool at that.
I was writing the world "lost" in another thread and I instinctively capitalized it.

haha thats awesome.
I saw that picture of the white smoke monster on another forum, I think some guy just set off some smoke bombs in the woods and took pictures.

yeah, I figured it was just smoke bombs or something. I googled "white smoke monster" and I was like, wow, this would be a cute way to end the psot haha
First off this is a pretty cool theory, pretty original I haven't heard anything like it. I commend the time it took to write it.

But.

I really don't think their are two smoke monsters, especially a white one. If anything I think it would be still black.

I think the reason for the smoke monster acting different towards the people it has already shown itself to is because of the choices they had made and it was the will of the island.

Interesting theory though.


Yeah, all I am saying is that we shouldn't rule it out yet. A few things I'd like answered,
-What did the monster look like when Locke saw it in Walkabou?
-Why did he call it beautiful the first time, then the next time look terrified?
-Why did the monster try to harm the 2nd time? What did he do wrong from point A to point B?
-Why after a second encounter did Locke tell Eko he saw the smoke monster only once?

[saysmydoctor]

I just remembered Horace being the suit that Locke sees in that pit of bones when Ben shoots him.

[CellarGhosts]

Thanks, I did not catch this at all.

That is hilarious, and awesome.

I want to see her again also. I am like you in thinking that we will see her again.
Ha, yeah. I just think they left her story pretty open ended. Also, with Hurley seeing dead people (Charlie, Ana), and that whole "Libby says hi" thing, I can see her showing up at some point, most likely appearing to Hurley.

[GRIFFARD]

The only thing I can think of at the moment is Ben's tumor on his spine.

well we don't know why..... but the island let Ben get cancer and had to have Jack operate on him to save him. so that says something. what that something is has yet to be determined haha

Thank you very much for that reminder! So it IS intriguing then, that Ben was healed when he went back to the island this time. Maybe he hadn't ruined his karma with the island yet chronologically speaking if we're going with the theory that only good people get healed

[xeno6919]

Ha, yeah. I just think they left her story pretty open ended. Also, with Hurley seeing dead people (Charlie, Ana), and that whole "Libby says hi" thing, I can see her showing up at some point, most likely appearing to Hurley.
Yea exactly, that is how I would want to see her again. I mean in a flashback would be cool too I guess, but I would rather see how Hurley would react to seeing her again.

[CellarGhosts]

Yea exactly, that is how I would want to see her again. I mean in a flashback would be cool too I guess, but I would rather see how Hurley would react to seeing her again.
That'd be cool. Either way, I'd be happy, ha. It just makes more sense to me that she'd show up to Hurley.

[nivek87]

That'd be cool. Either way, I'd be happy, ha. It just makes more sense to me that she'd show up to Hurley.
For the sake of Jorge Garcia, I think his character deserves something neat like that. He, himself is so into the mythology of LOST, he deserves something great besides, "dude" lines and comic relief. Hopefully he will have a say on the orgin of the numbers and a hint at where they came from will be revealed to us.

[GRIFFARD]

I really agree. I hope he is the one who is saying the numbers as is what seems to be likely, and I hope he gets some more opportunities to be more deeply involved in the plot.

[alann]

Hurley wants some freaking answers!!!

[GRIFFARD]

I think he should spend some time with Miles.
For Hurley, dead people appear to him, and for Miles, they like speak to him. eh?

[WarpSpeedChewy]

I doubt they will revisit her, she did her part. They have a lot more important things to get to. I would like to see her visit Hurley though, you would think she would have by now.
I kinda of have the same feeling. I think the writers said that it's something they would like to revisit or something the fans want, but it's something they aren't sure they can work back in again.

I do hope we see Libby again. I'm almost sure we will.
Your certainty is reassuring.

I just remembered Horace being the suit that Locke sees in that pit of bones when Ben shoots him.
Really ? I missed that or forgot about it.

[CellarGhosts]

For the sake of Jorge Garcia, I think his character deserves something neat like that. He, himself is so into the mythology of LOST, he deserves something great besides, "dude" lines and comic relief. Hopefully he will have a say on the orgin of the numbers and a hint at where they came from will be revealed to us.
True. I like him as the funny guy, but also I'd like to see him become more than that. I mean, he really already is, but I'd like to see them expand on it.

Hurley wants some freaking answers!!!
Hahaha.

I kinda of have the same feeling. I think the writers said that it's something they would like to revisit or something the fans want, but it's something they aren't sure they can work back in again.


Your certainty is reassuring.


Really ? I missed that or forgot about it.
Haha well I try.

[alann]

I love Hurley. Tricia Tanaka is one of my favorite episodes ever. It was like an hour to be grateful for what you have.

[Greg]

I hear ya. Maybe when Locke saw the monster the first time, it did appear as a bright pillar of smoke. The show also likes to take good and bad and find a grey area inbetween. I wouldn't doubt smokey could be just as bad as he is good.


because everything I posted was inspired by my dream and none of the concepts, statements, quotes, and themes have been presented in LOST.

The fact of the matter is, I am not saying its the absolute truth. I am not claiming it is the final verdict or that LOST is solved, game over, yippee, lets all go home, but on the contrary, I am saying I have a theory, one that I don't completely buy myself, however it is what it is and is cool at that.


haha thats awesome.


yeah, I figured it was just smoke bombs or something. I googled "white smoke monster" and I was like, wow, this would be a cute way to end the psot haha


Yeah, all I am saying is that we shouldn't rule it out yet. A few things I'd like answered,
-What did the monster look like when Locke saw it in Walkabou?
-Why did he call it beautiful the first time, then the next time look terrified?
-Why did the monster try to harm the 2nd time? What did he do wrong from point A to point B?
-Why after a second encounter did Locke tell Eko he saw the smoke monster only once?
oops! i actually meant to say ".... more motivated by your dream..." not that it was only your dream. my bad. the point was that i feel the theory is more driven by the dream with facts thrown in after the fact to support it, rather than watching the show and then coming to that conclusion. which to me is two very different approaches.

[smoothchanvere]

I saw that picture of the white smoke monster on another forum, I think some guy just set off some smoke bombs in the woods and took pictures.
Yeah that doesn't look like Hawaii to me.

I hear ya. Maybe when Locke saw the monster the first time, it did appear as a bright pillar of smoke. The show also likes to take good and bad and find a grey area inbetween. I wouldn't doubt smokey could be just as bad as he is good.
I think this is most likely. Maybe it appeared as a bright light to Locke the first time to help instill his faith in the island, though he had already regained his ability to walk.

I think he should spend some time with Miles.
For Hurley, dead people appear to him, and for Miles, they like speak to him. eh?
This just made me think that it would be kinda cool to have a scene with Miles at the graves and maybe helping Hurley actually be able to say goodbye to Libby. But not really possible in '77.

[GRIFFARD]

This just made me think that it would be kinda cool to have a scene with Miles at the graves and maybe helping Hurley actually be able to say goodbye to Libby. But not really possible in '77.

that is a great idea. lol now watch Libby be on the island as a child. Because, really, who isn't?

[thefirewithin]

I know I'm probably very late on this discussion... I just found this thread and was delighted :) does anybody else sense that this season is going to turn into a major conflict between two groups? Jack vs. Sawyer. I have a feeling that everyone is going to be forced to pick sides. Jack isn't going to be content blending in with Dharma like Sawyer has. I feel like "the hostiles" will play a part in that as well.

[nivek87]

oops! i actually meant to say ".... more motivated by your dream..." not that it was only your dream. my bad. the point was that i feel the theory is more driven by the dream with facts thrown in after the fact to support it, rather than watching the show and then coming to that conclusion. which to me is two very different approaches.
Word. That little oopsie changed the whole attitude of what it looked like you were trying to convey. All is good and forgiven.

[starseed]

I know I'm probably very late on this discussion... I just found this thread and was delighted :) does anybody else sense that this season is going to turn into a major conflict between two groups? Jack vs. Sawyer. I have a feeling that everyone is going to be forced to pick sides. Jack isn't going to be content blending in with Dharma like Sawyer has. I feel like "the hostiles" will play a part in that as well.

I feel that way too, but I feel like it's unfair for both sides. Sawyer and Juliet and co. had no idea it was going to be three years before Jack and everyone got back to the island, had no idea how things were going to be, and now he's forced in a difficult situation because he feels like he has a new life and he wants to stay. And meanwhile Jack and Kate and co. had no idea that all this was going on, they just knew that they had to get back "to save them" (although they weren't really going back for that reason), and now they're in unfamiliar territory with no idea whether to blend in or find a way home or even how to go about those means. It's like, at the time it seemed like a great idea, and in the end it turned out it wasn't really what everyone wanted, but now they have to deal with it anyway.

[smoothchanvere]

I know I'm probably very late on this discussion... I just found this thread and was delighted :) does anybody else sense that this season is going to turn into a major conflict between two groups? Jack vs. Sawyer. I have a feeling that everyone is going to be forced to pick sides. Jack isn't going to be content blending in with Dharma like Sawyer has. I feel like "the hostiles" will play a part in that as well.
I see there being some Jack vs Sawyer conflicts, but not like you're talking about. For now it seems Jack's taking a back seat and is going to enjoy the ride until he finds what he needs to do. Plus this already happened with Team Jack and Team Locke, I don't see them pulling the exact same thing again but with Sawyer.

[nivek87]

I know I'm probably very late on this discussion... I just found this thread and was delighted :) does anybody else sense that this season is going to turn into a major conflict between two groups? Jack vs. Sawyer. I have a feeling that everyone is going to be forced to pick sides. Jack isn't going to be content blending in with Dharma like Sawyer has. I feel like "the hostiles" will play a part in that as well.
I can see obvious turmoil with the hostiles and dharma folk. I can also see Locke leading the hostiles and doing what he feels is right and trying to destroy dharma. I can also see the noobz that just dropped in causign a ruckus, but as of now, I don't see too much drama besides pettiness between Sawyer and Jack and a little tension and drama, but nothing more. Jack is becoming a believer of fate and he is trying to find his destiny. What makes him special. As of now, I think he is rather releaved to not have to make the decisions around the camp.

[thefirewithin]

I feel that way too, but I feel like it's unfair for both sides. Sawyer and Juliet and co. had no idea it was going to be three years before Jack and everyone got back to the island, had no idea how things were going to be, and now he's forced in a difficult situation because he feels like he has a new life and he wants to stay. And meanwhile Jack and Kate and co. had no idea that all this was going on, they just knew that they had to get back "to save them" (although they weren't really going back for that reason), and now they're in unfamiliar territory with no idea whether to blend in or find a way home or even how to go about those means. It's like, at the time it seemed like a great idea, and in the end it turned out it wasn't really what everyone wanted, but now they have to deal with it anyway.

Yes that's all true... There's going to be alot of relational and personal problems in the coming weeks.

I'm also very interested to see how long the whole "living in the past" thing will carry on. I think that we'll learn alot more about ben and the genocide of the Dharma workers because of this. It will be interesting to see if any of the present day characters will play a part in that or if they'll get out before it happens.

[Greg]

Word. That little oopsie changed the whole attitude of what it looked like you were trying to convey. All is good and forgiven.
haha yea man, it's all good!

i reread my post and i was like "oh no! i left out a pretty significant word!" haha funny how one word changes the whole feeling to a statement.

[thefirewithin]

I see there being some Jack vs Sawyer conflicts, but not like you're talking about. For now it seems Jack's taking a back seat and is going to enjoy the ride until he finds what he needs to do. Plus this already happened with Team Jack and Team Locke, I don't see them pulling the exact same thing again but with Sawyer.

Yes you might be right about that... I can see Jack being very much in the background for strategical reasons before he is forced to become a key player again.

[thefirewithin]

I can see obvious turmoil with the hostiles and dharma folk. I can also see Locke leading the hostiles and doing what he feels is right and trying to destroy dharma. I can also see the noobz that just dropped in causign a ruckus, but as of now, I don't see too much drama besides pettiness between Sawyer and Jack and a little tension and drama, but nothing more. Jack is becoming a believer of fate and he is trying to find his destiny. What makes him special. As of now, I think he is rather releaved to not have to make the decisions around the camp.

I think Caesar is going to end up being a total tool... He's gonna end up destroying himself. I think it's funny that he's already trying to set up his own little dictatorship.