I Support Same Sex Marriage

[Pat Marquez]

I'm sure some of you have seen some band members wearing the t's that say "I Support Same Sex Marriage." Well, now you can purchase your own by clicking here (http://www.merchdirect.net/x/c/product.php?productid=5510&cat=&page=1). Also, check out the Myspace (http://www.myspace.com/samesexmarriage
) account.

[Guy]

it really should read, I support equal marriage rights. the term same-sex marriage is a misnomer and a tool of the christian right to reframe the argument.

[Troy will Fall]

eh.

[Sureshot182]

eh.
pretty much sums up my feelings about this shrit/thread.

[Pat Marquez]

i say who cares. live your life how you want. unless it involves killing someone...

[switchkick49]

Wow, that has to be the gayest thing I have ever seen

Let people make up thier own fucking mind instead of seeing bands doing it and thinking its the cool thing to do(Like the 2004 election). I say Good day to this trend. I SAID GOOD DAY

[albatrossxivy]

the shirts design is badass i wish it said something else lol

[MattFDR]

pretty much sums up my feelings about this shrit/thread.


Hey..I was just wondeirng how you heard of The Apprentice?
I run the label they are on....and now I play bass in it.

[daaann mhmm]

fuck that.

[Gabe Gross]

i support equality.






stick that in your pipe and smoke it.

[Pat Marquez]

Wow, that has to be the gayest thing I have ever seen

Let people make up thier own fucking mind instead of seeing bands doing it and thinking its the cool thing to do(Like the 2004 election). I say Good day to this trend. I SAID GOOD DAY
haha, that's funny... i don't know how this is gay? i don't think what I said has a sexual preference? maybe you think otherwise?

this is not some sort of brainwash .. that's ridiculous of you to say / assume. it's just supporting... besides... this is for gay rights... the shirt is saying anything that crazy...

[Sureshot182]

Hey..I was just wondeirng how you heard of The Apprentice?
I run the label they are on....and now I play bass in it.
i went with forgetting paris to evansville last summer, and you guys played. there were litereally zero people there. i was going to get your cd but i didn't have the money. amazing band.

[kissbangkill]

i'm buying this as soon as i get paid.

[Sureshot182]

Wow, that has to be the gayest thing I have ever seen

Let people make up thier own fucking mind instead of seeing bands doing it and thinking its the cool thing to do(Like the 2004 election). I say Good day to this trend. I SAID GOOD DAY
lol, that is one of the funniest things i've read in awhile. i love it. :)

[Pat Marquez]

i'm buying this as soon as i get paid.
haha YOU FOOL!!!!! you unable to think for yourselfer!!!!

[kissbangkill]

haha YOU FOOL!!!!! you unable to think for yourselfer!!!!

totally!!!!! i'm so impressionable!@# some dude in a band convinced me to purchase this because he wore it and i want to be cool like him, as opposed to me actually liking the shirt, design, and message. that would never happen!!!!

[MattFDR]

i went with forgetting paris to evansville last summer, and you guys played. there were litereally zero people there. i was going to get your cd but i didn't have the money. amazing band.


Thank you....there really wasn't anyone there at all, but we still had fun. By the way, we are having a contest for a free ipod shuffle at fdrshop.com if you ever want to order the cd or anything.

Thanks so much for the support!

[Pat Marquez]

totally!!!!! i'm so impressionable!@# some dude in a band convinced me to purchase this because he wore it and i want to be cool like him, as opposed to me actually liking the shirt, design, and message. that would never happen!!!!
omgz u r a sellout!!!

[Pat Marquez]

totally!!!!! i'm so impressionable!@# some dude in a band convinced me to purchase this because he wore it and i want to be cool like him, as opposed to me actually liking the shirt, design, and message. that would never happen!!!!
why cant you have a hate filled heart like the rest of us?!?!?!??!?!?

[karmaportrait]

it really should read, I support equal marriage rights. the term same-sex marriage is a misnomer and a tool of the christian right to reframe the argument.

agreed. tshirts aside, this is about basic human rights. people being treated equally. that's it.

[neo506]

the shirts design is badass i wish it said something else lol

Perhaps


http://www.tshirthell.com/shirts/products/a286/a286.gif

[FourStarters]

Cool idea, proceeds to a good cause...I'm in.

[leocorrea]

I don't support being ripped off.

I can go make a shirt saying that bullshit if I wanted to :]
12 dollars can be used at taco bell instead

if it was 5 dollars, than maybe. but it's not

[splitsecond]

Im not buying.

[weworemasks]

totally!!!!! i'm so impressionable!@# some dude in a band convinced me to purchase this because he wore it and i want to be cool like him, as opposed to me actually liking the shirt, design, and message. that would never happen!!!!

JUMPIN ON THE BANDWAGON EH???

POSER!!!!

[xThursdayxPTWx]

If they made one that said "I'm completely indifferent to same-sex marriage", I'd be game.

[Scott Weber]

itz so scene to be a liberal! i can't wait to buy mine omggggggggg

[kissbangkill]

JUMPIN ON THE BANDWAGON EH???

POSER!!!!

hahahaha. the best thing about this is that you know me and that this shirt is the type of thing i would go out of my way to make on my own.

now give me back my call center job, outsourcer@#!@#!!

[Rogue Slayer]

i do support it but i don't like the design. or the color. so no shirt for me.

[kittypants]

i'd get it...

except for the whole "being against gay marriage" thing.

[rufiocardtime]

maybe if i liked to bone other dudes in the ass i'd buy it. but i don't, so i don't really care.

[Guy]

maybe if i liked to bone other dudes in the ass i'd buy it. but i don't, so i don't really care.
America's youth truly are the pinnacle of maturity and intelligence.

[Hidenothing27]

it really should read, I support equal marriage rights. the term same-sex marriage is a misnomer and a tool of the christian right to reframe the argument.


I love how people think that homosexuals have to be married to have the same rights and taz beneifits as married people.. Go to an accountant or someone at the IRS and see what they can do. and whoever, and to the fellow above.. right haha like christians invented that name.... what did homesexuals want to call it.. they want the word marriage, not some committment name... marriage is a man and a woman... yeah you can pull out the christiianty card on me but this country was indeed founded upon that.. you can get equal rights without getting married.. and dont say its more then that, dont say they want to have a big wedding yada yada.. you can still do that.. rent out a ball room or pick a place... ahve a recpetion dance to the YMCA

[thesewalls]

same sex marriage is completely WRONG.

i dont care who you are, its fucking digusting watching two guys holding hands down the street.

not buying the tshirt.

[splatoutofluck]

why cant you have a hate filled heart like the rest of us?!?!?!??!?!?

dude I dont know if anyone has told you this yet, but the whitesox did win the world series, so you can celebrate now and perhaps update your sig.

[thewebguy]

same sex marriage is completely WRONG.

i dont care who you are, its fucking digusting watching two guys holding hands down the street.

not buying the tshirt.

lol if you're going to be against it you might want to have a better argument than that of 'black bush' on dave chapelle..

that shit's GROSS!

[fromwithin]

this is just as bad as the group themselves, its all for attention. "look at how cool I can be" although its not much different than wearing a band shirt. I'm just sick of seeing how they say theyre being bashed all the time, theyre more accepted now than ever. They just aren't satisified with being accepted though, they want all these rights and priviliges. Last time I checked, the Bible said marriage was between a man and a woman and up until a few years ago that's how it was.

[LindseyLikeWhoa]

I love the apathetic youth of America.

[USAFDave]

how bout we just let the people vote? if America wants gay marriage, let 'em have it. if not, shut the hell up and work to convince people that it should happen. its democracy, not "i want this so give it to me because if you dont im being repressed!" i'm willing to die for the constitution, and im sure as hell not going to sit by while people try to hijack it without the consent of the people.

[InaGreendase]

Let people make up thier own fucking mind instead of seeing bands doing it and thinking its the cool thing to do(Like the 2004 election)

It's called bands using their platform to advocate a change. Welcome to punk rock.

itz so scene to be a liberal! i can't wait to buy mine omggggggggg

Does this mean equal rights are the new white belt?

same sex marriage is completely WRONG.

i dont care who you are, its fucking digusting watching two guys holding hands down the street.

not buying the tshirt.

I hope this is flamebait.

yeah you can pull out the christiianty card on me but this country was indeed founded upon that..

This country was founded upon slavery, too. Does that mean everyone one should gets to own of dem damn n i g g e r boys to be huskin dih corn and washin mah dishes?

[Hidenothing27]

inagreen whatever your name is anyway.. yes a valid point this county did have slaves well done u did your history yet wat does slaves have to do with marriage.. nothing.. yes slavery was wrong.. the bible never says thou must have slaves.. it does say what marriage is... a man and a woman..

[BrandNizzle]

can anyone explain to me how someone is 'born gay'?

[Flags of Dawn]

1. Homosexuality is not natural, much like eyeglasses, polyester, and birth control.

2. Heterosexual marriages are valid because they produce children. Infertile couples and old people can't legally get married because the world needs more children.

3. Obviously gay parents will raise gay children, since straight parents only raise straight children.

4. Straight marriage will be less meaningful, since Britney Spears' 55-hour just-for-fun marriage was meaningful.

5. Heterosexual marriage has been around a long time and hasn't changed at all; women are property, blacks can't marry whites, and divorece is illegal.

6. Gay marriage should be decided by people not the courts, because the majority-elected legislatures, not courts, have historically protected the rights of the minorities.

7. Gay marriage is not supported by religion. In a theocracy like ours, the values of one religion are imposed on the entire counrty. That's why we have only one religion in America.

8. Gay marriage will encourage people to be gay, in the same way that hanging around tall people will make you tall.

9. Legalizing gay marriage will open the door to all kinds of crazy behavior. People may even wish to marry their pets because a dog has legal standing and can sign a marriage contract.

10. Children can never suceed without a male and a female role model at home. That's why single parents are forbidden to raise children.

11. Gay marriage will change the foundation of society. Heterosexual marriage has been around for a long time, and we could never adapt to new social norms because we haven't adapted to cars or longer lifespans.

12. Civil unions, providing most of the same benefits as marriage with a different name are better, because a "seperate but equal" institution is always constitutional. Seperate schools for African-Americans worked just as well as seperate marriages for gays and lesbians will.


now what argument did you have against gay marriage again?

[Sureshot182]

Thank you....there really wasn't anyone there at all, but we still had fun. By the way, we are having a contest for a free ipod shuffle at fdrshop.com if you ever want to order the cd or anything.

Thanks so much for the support!
you are quite welcome. thank you guys for making sweet jams.

itz so scene to be a liberal! i can't wait to buy mine omggggggggg
pretty much hit the nail on the head.

[duffe]

Edit the myspace link, Pat.

[InaGreendase]

inagreen whatever your name is anyway.. yes a valid point this county did have slaves well done u did your history yet wat does slaves have to do with marriage.. nothing.. yes slavery was wrong.. the bible never says thou must have slaves.. it does say what marriage is... a man and a woman..

Oh, well then, if it's in the Bible, it MUST be true!

[nicolerork]

No offense, but that's probably one of the ugliest, poorly designed shirts I have ever seen.

[Flags of Dawn]

inagreen whatever your name is anyway.. yes a valid point this county did have slaves well done u did your history yet wat does slaves have to do with marriage.. nothing.. yes slavery was wrong.. the bible never says thou must have slaves.. it does say what marriage is... a man and a woman..
when the bible starts issuing marriage licenses, let me know because last time i checked gay marriage is a government issue now.

[kissbangkill]

inagreen whatever your name is anyway.. yes a valid point this county did have slaves well done u did your history yet wat does slaves have to do with marriage.. nothing.. yes slavery was wrong.. the bible never says thou must have slaves.. it does say what marriage is... a man and a woman..

and since everyone in the world is a christian... right? maybe we should just tie up the gays along with all non christians and blast them off in a rocketship. problem solved from your end.


It's called bands using their platform to advocate a change. Welcome to punk rock.

Does this mean equal rights are the new white belt?

This country was founded upon slavery, too. Does that mean everyone one should gets to own of dem damn n i g g e r boys to be huskin dih corn and washin mah dishes?

well put on all accounts.

[Hidenothing27]

wow just because i say bible and christian i get pounced on. and yes in my book if thats what the bible says then it is true.. if thats not what you believe thats cool to man.. u can have ur opionion i will have mine.. i never said gatther gays and burn them... and its just interesting why the gay marriage thing happens now.. i personally believe they can be born gay... everyone is born into sin period.. so why couldnt they be born into homoe sexuality and god use it in whatever way he sees.. when i was in elementery school there were 2 kids who i knew were different..a lot more femine i had no idea what gay was or anything.. and it turns out they were gay and i could see it coming. just beacause i say BIBLE or christian doesnt mean you have to pounce on me.. and the thing with gay people i say HATE THE SIN LOVE THE PERSON

[IChangedMyName]

I support equal marriage rights...

[kissbangkill]

wow just because i say bible and christian i get pounced on. and yes in my book if thats what the bible says then it is true.. if thats not what you believe thats cool to man.. u can have ur opionion i will have mine.. i never said gatther gays and burn them... and its just interesting why the gay marriage thing happens now.. i personally believe they can be born gay... everyone is born into sin period.. so why couldnt they be born into homoe sexuality and god use it in whatever way he sees.. when i was in elementery school there were 2 kids who i knew were different..a lot more femine i had no idea what gay was or anything.. and it turns out they were gay and i could see it coming. just beacause i say BIBLE or christian doesnt mean you have to pounce on me.. and the thing with gay people i say HATE THE SIN LOVE THE PERSON

you're completely entitled to your opinion, that's fine. you're allowed to think it's wrong, that's fine. but last time i checked, there's a little thing called separation of church and state, and another little thing called equal rights. we're not discussing theology or what the individual thinks is right/wrong. we're discussing basic civil rights and (in my opinion) fascism in it's most blatant regard. i "pounced" on you because you're trying to use christianity as a basis for what the government should do. it's fine to use christianity to support your opinion, but not everyone in this country is a christian (which i am, by the way), does that mean they shouldn't be entitled to be treated equally? this country prides itself on it's diversity, equality, and progressiveness.. now we should back up that pride.

[Ambien]

Fuck this. I'm neither for or against homosexuals having equal rights but I say let them do the work. I'm not going to parade around in a t-shirt promoting something that doesn't even matter to me. Ya my girlfriend's sister is homosexual and I was at the MA state house with her protesting and waiting for a decision on civil unions vs. marriage about a year ago but it really didn't mean shit. Homosexual's aren't as subjugated and abused as other races or people of different beliefs have been in the past. If they were they would all be fighting harder to get out of the hole in society they're in. Yes, it's a hard life the way society is and there's a lot of homophobia but people are still racist towards blacks and jews maybe even more so than homosexuals so did we just give up caring about them? Women in general are still looked down upon. There's never been a female president so why don't we fight for Hilary this upcoming term. My point is I want to pick and choose my battles and I feel that there are plenty of homosexuals out there to support themselves in this battle and I'm not going to make it harder for them but as a sole citizen with my own issues I feel my time is better spent doing other things, spending my money on things that matter more to my own life.

[Ambien]

you're completely entitled to your opinion, that's fine. you're allowed to think it's wrong, that's fine. but last time i checked, there's a little thing called separation of church and state, and another little thing called equal rights. we're not discussing theology or what the individual thinks is right/wrong. we're discussing basic civil rights and (in my opinion) fascism in it's most blatant regard. i "pounced" on you because you're trying to use christianity as a basis for what the government should do. it's fine to use christianity to support your opinion, but not everyone in this country is a christian (which i am, by the way), does that mean they shouldn't be entitled to be treated equally? this country prides itself on it's diversity, equality, and progressiveness.. now we should back up that pride.

I think everyone's missing the point. Yes equal rights by law would be good but they'll never get equal rights in the long run anyway. There will always be people who look down on them no matter what the law says.

[Smithers]

i do support same sex marriages.

but i'm not about to wear that shirt around town.

[kissbangkill]

Fuck this. I'm neither for or against homosexuals having equal rights but I say let them do the work. I'm not going to parade around in a t-shirt promoting something that doesn't even matter to me. Ya my girlfriend's sister is homosexual and I was at the MA state house with her protesting and waiting for a decision on civil unions vs. marriage about a year ago but it really didn't mean shit. Homosexual's aren't as subjugated and abused as other races or people of different beliefs have been in the past. If they were they would all be fighting harder to get out of the hole in society they're in. Yes, it's a hard life the way society is and there's a lot of homophobia but people are still racist towards blacks and jews maybe even more so than homosexuals so did we just give up caring about them? Women in general are still looked down upon. There's never been a female president so why don't we fight for Hilary this upcoming term. My point is I want to pick and choose my battles and I feel that there are plenty of homosexuals out there to support themselves in this battle and I'm not going to make it harder for them but as a sole citizen with my own issues I feel my time is better spent doing other things, spending my money on things that matter more to my own life.

i agree completely. no one should support this one cause and this cause alone. i also support womens rights, campaigns to fight racism, poverty, aids, etc, etc. this just happens to be something i also believe in. i like the shirt, i believe in the cause, so why not shell out 12 bucks for it? that's just me though. you do make some great points though.


I think everyone's missing the point. Yes equal rights by law would be good but they'll never get equal rights in the long run anyway. There will always be people who look down on them no matter what the law says.

you may be right, but that doesn't mean i'm just gonna sit back and let it happen. if we all looked at things that way, the civil rights movement may never have happened, because i promise there were people that said those exact words back then.

[Guy]

There are people who believe in fighting for what is right, and there are people who sit around doing nothing (and criticizing anyone who does). The civil rights movement of the '60s would have failed if it weren't for white people joining the cause. Just ask any gay person how they feel when they meet someone who is 'straight but not narrow'. The marriage rights movement needs allies, if only gays were involved there could never be change. Majority rule, but minority right--even when less than 50% of the US is for it.


I'm not going to buy the t-shirt, just because I don't agree with the wording and how the profits from the shirt are going to a company and not a cause.

[Scott Weber]

No one "pounced" on you, they were making a point. A valid point at that. I said Christian and no one "pounced" on me. Sit down and let the adults discuss this matter.
Come on, don't chastise him for making a point, his opinions are just as valid as yours. Also "adult," you're 20, so maybe you should sit it out. Continue.

[inanechild]

I think everyone's missing the point. Yes equal rights by law would be good but they'll never get equal rights in the long run anyway. There will always be people who look down on them no matter what the law says.
There will always be people who look down on non-whites, no matter what the law says. That doesn't mean that we haven't got to a point in society where racist views are dismissed by the mainstream and rightfully acknowledged as wrong.

[USAFDave]

There are people who believe in fighting for what is right, and there are people who sit around doing nothing (and criticizing anyone who does).

There are also people who dont believe this is right, but they are instantly labeled as bigots for their beliefs. I have gay friends, but they know that while I love them I dont approve of their lifestyle and actions. I dont care on this issue... what America wants is what they will get... dont get in the way of democracy. Try being tolerant of the people YOU dont like. ("YOU" plural, not you individaully... this goes out to everyone)

[apex]

I love the apathetic youth of America.

i'd say that extends far beyond just the youth.

[apex]

There are also people who dont believe this is right, but they are instantly labeled as bigots for their beliefs. I have gay friends, but they know that while I love them I dont approve of their lifestyle and actions. I dont care on this issue... what America wants is what they will get... dont get in the way of democracy. Try being tolerant of the people YOU dont like. ("YOU" plural, not you individaully... this goes out to everyone)

You not approving of their lifestyle doesn't qualify as a reason to make them legally different from anyone else.

[Pat Marquez]

haha homosexuality arguments are hilarious.

is it really that bad? i mean it's only two dudes that want to have ass sex and be accepted. now that i live in chicago i have met a lot more gay people. yeah... if they start talking about railing there boyfriend in the ass it makes me uncomfortable but it doesn't really effect me so i don't care. now, if they start coming on to me and i start saying "sorry dude I'm straight" and they don't stop, then i'm going to get pissed. it's the same thing for girls, they don't want some dude to keep hitting on them if she doesn't want it..

i guess i really can't figure out why people hate homosexuality that much. you can find it repulsive but you can also choose to accept it. i don't agree with FAT people fucking but i sure as hell won't say that to them. but that in perspective.

oh well.

[mondeoman]

The only problem I have is that the shirt is shit brown.

[topsecret]

why do people bring up the bible when talking about marriage? the bible has nothing to do with marriage. marriage licenses are issued by the state. you don't even have to be religious to get married.

i bought the shirt. i support equal rights for all people. my sister is a lesbian and she has been with her partner for years now. they had a little ceremony and all that stuff. i think my sister's company even acknowledges same sex unions for benefits. the times they are a changin'.

[mondeoman]

why do people bring up the bible when talking about marriage?
Because it sounds good, duh.

[crayZbuzzard]

What kind of ***got would wear that t-shirt? And by ***got, I don't mean homosexual...I mean douchebag. That t-shirt is so gay. And by gay, I don't mean homosexual...I mean shitty.

[kennethagee]

itz so scene to be a liberal! i can't wait to buy mine omggggggggg

You are right we should just hate ***gots. We could join up with the mainstream and support hate. This has nothing to do with the scene, but everything to do with progress towards a better America. Jesus can suck on that.

[kennethagee]

There are also people who dont believe this is right, but they are instantly labeled as bigots for their beliefs. I have gay friends, but they know that while I love them I dont approve of their lifestyle and actions. I dont care on this issue... what America wants is what they will get... dont get in the way of democracy. Try being tolerant of the people YOU dont like. ("YOU" plural, not you individaully... this goes out to everyone)


American democracy was set up not only for the will of the majority, but also to respect the rights of the minority. We do toerate you, even though I don't approve of you having kids and raising them on hate, I do'nt tell you that you can or can't. Just like you shouldn't tell a gay person that they can/can't get married. People in this country make me sick, I tolerate them, but it is hard.

[Ambien]

i agree completely. no one should support this one cause and this cause alone. i also support womens rights, campaigns to fight racism, poverty, aids, etc, etc. this just happens to be something i also believe in. i like the shirt, i believe in the cause, so why not shell out 12 bucks for it? that's just me though. you do make some great points though.




you may be right, but that doesn't mean i'm just gonna sit back and let it happen. if we all looked at things that way, the civil rights movement may never have happened, because i promise there were people that said those exact words back then.

The Black Muslim's despised whites and that's why I think that movement was so succesful. They needed the polar opposite of white hatred towards blacks to have the result of everything land somewhere near the middle (even though it was still pro-white in the end). They didn't want or need whites to help them they just wanted them to stay the fuck out of their efforts and respect them. If homosexuals did the same thing it would seem extreme but it would get the point across better. If I heard homosexuals preaching about how hetero's didn't deserve marriage because they're inferior for whatever reasons it wouldn't make sense to me but I would step back and ask myself "Wait, isn't that the same thing that I think about homosexuals?". Politics and debates are never pretty and wearing a t-shirt and putting money towards a cause isn't of any use unless the cause is efficacious.

It's just typical know-how as far as the basics of debating goes.

I think if there's going to be any real changes something extreme's got to happen. Homosexuals won't gain respect by being passive, which I think is the way they're going about it right now" I've seen them handing out flyers and making little speeches on street corners and it's never agressive and passionate. They're too polite, saying please and thank you. They got to reach out there and take whatever the fuck they need. "We're not going to stand for this! I'm going to sit here on this street corner in front of the state house until either I'm forcefully moved or I die, because either's bettet than living a life without equal rights!!!!""

I mean think about the last two minorities who were passive in their efforts...until it was too late. The Native Americans and The Jewish in WW2. Both were slaughtered and nearly put into extinction in their areas.

Maybe if somebody came up to me and said. "The least you can do you fucking ignorant prick is buy this t-shirt and wear it while I remain subjugated and opressed in a free society born of equal rights and opportunity. Buy the mother-fucking t-shirt you spoiled fuck!!!!" Then and probably only then I would lay down the money for their efforts and emotions.

[hubbabubbal3ts]

can anyone explain to me how someone is 'born gay'?

i've always wondered the same question.

oh yea, because it's not possible.

[hubbabubbal3ts]

No offense, but that's probably one of the ugliest, poorly designed shirts I have ever seen.

As far as the homosexual debate, I personally do not support same sex marriages, but there is no way I'd ever force my beliefs on someone else, or tell them "OMG YOU'RE GOING TO HELL!" Whatever they decide to do is their choice, their right, not mine - and as a Christian, it's not my job to go around hating and judging others, but to show love and kindness. "Christians" are idiots, too bad people don't see how it really should be.

i completely agree. all people now a days see is the "Christians" who condemn constantly, want your money in order for you to go to heaven, and have "magical powers". People this day and age don't see how true Christians live their life, like you said by showing love and kindness.

[GAD_guy]

wow strange timing. i just finished what ended up being a 108 page research paper on same-sex marriage...like yesterday morning, 15 minutes before it was due. afterwards, i said i never wanted to speak of it again. the funny thing is i chose the topic becuase i knew after the unbiased reseach paper was turned in i would have the chance to give a speech on my opinion. this was appealing becuase i firmly belived that same-sex marriages should be legalized; however, i now understand that the issue is more divisive than i ever knew.

i think that anyone who buys this should understand the arguments AGAINST same-sex marriage before jumping into an opinion just becuase its cool.

1. with divorce rates at an all-time high, how would this affect people's opinion of marriage? would it further damage the institution?

2. what would stop people from fighting for polygamous or incest marriages if same-sex marrigaes were legalized? what is the difference?

3. the purpose of marriage is and has always been to create a family, to foster procreation. what purpose would same-sex marriage serve?

in fact, being able to make a valid argument that same-sex marriges should be legalized besides just "becuase i support equal rights" is important.

there does exist a good counterargument for each of these points. but my project was enlightening becuase i always just assumed that those against same-sex marriage were just hateful bigots. that said, i think ill buy this shirt becuase it would be cool to wear to the speech.

[hubbabubbal3ts]

one reason i could say i could careless about gay marriage is that they can't pro-create, which completly goes against the theory of evolution. i'm just happy they can not make a child, because growing up with two parents of the same sex is unhealthy. i somewhat know from experience. after my parents divorced, my moms friend moved in. she has lived here for 5 years. i can honestly say that my whole life has been affected in a negative way because of this. i can't stand it. so in the end, i'm going to have to say that i do not support gay marriage.

[GAD_guy]

one reason i could say i could careless about gay marriage is that they can't pro-create, which completly goes against the theory of evolution. i'm just happy they can not make a child, because growing up with two parents of the same sex is unhealthy. i somewhat know from experience. after my parents divorced, my moms friend moved in. she has lived here for 5 years. i can honestly say that my whole life has been affected in a negative way because of this. i can't stand it. so in the end, i'm going to have to say that i do not support gay marriage.

studies don't agree that growing up with two parents of the same sex is unhealthy. and you can't agree either becuase you didn't live with two females your whole life.

[kennethagee]

wow strange timing. i just finished what ended up being a 108 page research paper on same-sex marriage...like yesterday morning, 15 minutes before it was due. afterwards, i said i never wanted to speak of it again. the funny thing is i chose the topic becuase i knew after the unbiased reseach paper was turned in i would have the chance to give a speech on my opinion. this was appealing becuase i firmly belived that same-sex marriages should be legalized; however, i now understand that the issue is more divisive than i ever knew.

i think that anyone who buys this should understand the arguments AGAINST same-sex marriage before jumping into an opinion just becuase its cool.

1. with divorce rates at an all-time high, how would this affect people's opinion of marriage? would it further damage the institution?

2. what would stop people from fighting for polygamous or incest marriages if same-sex marrigaes were legalized? what is the difference?

3. the purpose of marriage is and has always been to create a family, to foster procreation. what purpose would same-sex marriage serve?

in fact, being able to make a valid argument that same-sex marriges should be legalized besides just "becuase i support equal rights" is important.

there does exist a good counterargument for each of these points. but my project was enlightening becuase i always just assumed that those against same-sex marriage were just hateful bigots. that said, i think ill buy this shirt becuase it would be cool to wear to the speech.

I understand and have heard these arguments, I still think they are retarded though. They might and might not make divorce rates worse. We would have to assume that gays would be worse at marriage, how can we make this assumtion? This is a terrible argument.
Polygamous or incest? You forgot beastiality, once again, I don't find this to be a very valid argument.
The last argument isn't much better. People get married all the tiem who don't want kids, hell even people who can't have kids. This should help all the anti-abortion creme their pants, this adds a large crowd to the adoption area. Of course then we have to listen to some idiot talk about how horrible it would be for gays to have kids becasue all the kids that would make fun of them for having gay parents. Well, waht about the kids with fat parents, or with interacial parents? We need to stop babying kids so much, maybe a gay family would help our society. Then there is the "gay parents will raise gay kids" argument. Bull shit, how do straight parents raise gay kids?

It's good that you tried to understand the other side of the argument, I think that is great. There are two sides the everything, but sometimes one side is wrong. Look at slavery, you could argue for it, you could argue about the southern economy, or about property rights or about history, but at the end of the day it's still wrong.

[Scott Weber]

You are right we should just hate ***gots. We could join up with the mainstream and support hate. This has nothing to do with the scene, but everything to do with progress towards a better America. Jesus can suck on that.
What is wrong with you? I HATE to stereotype, but why is this the mentality of so many liberals (as I assume you are) ...... You are saying that I (or all conservatives, which I'm not either) hate homosexuals (untrue), then you hate on Jesus. Do you not see the irony in your statement? You sarcastically say "we should all support hate." Guess what, the majority of the hating I see is not from Conservatives to homosexuals, but from Liberals to conservatives. Your post is full of hate. It's this kind of negative division that is tearing America apart.

[gil_ag]

I really don't support marriege at all. Gay, straight, it's just a way for goverment to keep a control, and a way for divorce lawyers to make money.

[tpasmall]

can anyone explain to me how someone is 'born gay'?


I've wondered the same thing too. That argument is made all the time but with no proof to back it up. Show me a gay strand of DNA and I'll believe the argument. Until then, gay people are just really horny straight people who can't get off by normal means. Which is why to me, they're often classified with pedophiles, and incestuous people. And why teenagers tend to 'experiment' with sexuality the most. And why people turn gay in prison. It's not genetics, its a swollen dick.

[Dr. Balls]

I'm totally for 2 lezbos getting married and licking each other's rugs! But I am not going to support 2 grown men who want to get married and stick their penises in each other's mouths! That is fucking disgusting!
- Dr. Balls

[hubbabubbal3ts]

studies don't agree that growing up with two parents of the same sex is unhealthy. and you can't agree either becuase you didn't live with two females your whole life.

yes, i understand that studies might not agree with that, i am just saying from my personal experiences that it has been unhealthy for me to live with 2 females. and no i havn't lived with 2 females my whole life, but i hate the 5 years that i have.

[westsidas2000]

the shirts design is badass i wish it said something else lol
ya like "same-sex marriage is a very unimportant issue compared to ANYTHING else"

[Ambien]

I understand and have heard these arguments, I still think they are retarded though. They might and might not make divorce rates worse. We would have to assume that gays would be worse at marriage, how can we make this assumtion? This is a terrible argument.
Polygamous or incest? You forgot beastiality, once again, I don't find this to be a very valid argument.
The last argument isn't much better. People get married all the tiem who don't want kids, hell even people who can't have kids. This should help all the anti-abortion creme their pants, this adds a large crowd to the adoption area. Of course then we have to listen to some idiot talk about how horrible it would be for gays to have kids becasue all the kids that would make fun of them for having gay parents. Well, waht about the kids with fat parents, or with interacial parents? We need to stop babying kids so much, maybe a gay family would help our society. Then there is the "gay parents will raise gay kids" argument. Bull shit, how do straight parents raise gay kids?

It's good that you tried to understand the other side of the argument, I think that is great. There are two sides the everything, but sometimes one side is wrong. Look at slavery, you could argue for it, you could argue about the southern economy, or about property rights or about history, but at the end of the day it's still wrong.

You seem very one-sided yourself. So what's your argument? Equal rights should be given across the board? The argument is that same-sex marriage would trigger a negative effect in society. Yes they will get marriage eventually in my opinion, and they should but too fast could lead to an economic and political disaster. You have to take into account that the whole US is strongly dependant on prior set precedents. In any legal issue it takes a lot of time and a VERY strong argument to overturn them whether it involves homosexuals or not.

[exidol]

Fact is that at least one of the people who have responded here AGAINST gay marriage is a closet homosexual...ok, so which one of you is it?

I say let people do what they want. And to say "let's vote on it" is idiotic, because this country has already proven that voting in this country does not mean shit. Just ask those of us who voted in favor of medicinal marijuana in California. Or the majority of the country that voted Al Gore.

Bush is an idiot...

And don't bring Christianity in to this...I refuse to recognize an "organization" responsible for one of the largest criminal cover-ups in the history of the world.

And if one more person says "I have friends who are gay" I'm going to punch someone.

ACCEPTANCE NOT HATE.

[Scott Weber]

And if one more person says "I have friends who are gay" I'm going to punch someone.

ACCEPTANCE NOT HATE.
I have friends who are gay.

[Simulcast]

Fact is that at least one of the people who have responded here AGAINST gay marriage is a closet homosexual...ok, so which one of you is it?

I say let people do what they want. And to say "let's vote on it" is idiotic, because this country has already proven that voting in this country does not mean shit. Just ask those of us who voted in favor of medicinal marijuana in California. Or the majority of the country that voted Al Gore.

Bush is an idiot...

And don't bring Christianity in to this...I refuse to recognize an "organization" responsible for one of the largest criminal cover-ups in the history of the world.

And if one more person says "I have friends who are gay" I'm going to punch someone.

ACCEPTANCE NOT HATE.

Christainity is not an orginization.You are talking about certain denominations of the church. Christianity a faith based on the teachings of Jesus Christ, teachings that most people do not take the time to fully understand. Jesus teachings werent responsible for "the largest criminal cover-up in history".The blame for that falls on men who took an incorrect idea about Christianity and ran with it.
Most Christians dont hate gay people, they just hate the persons actions, and this is true of most of the issues that Christians stand out against. The ones that you do see condeming homosexuals to hell on tv are a minority.

Your comment is ignorant and full of generalizations. Instead of opening your mouth with out thinking, why not take the time to reseacrh both positions and then form your opinion accordingly.

[eversochili]

one reason i could say i could careless about gay marriage is that they can't pro-create, which completly goes against the theory of evolution. i'm just happy they can not make a child, because growing up with two parents of the same sex is unhealthy. i somewhat know from experience. after my parents divorced, my moms friend moved in. she has lived here for 5 years. i can honestly say that my whole life has been affected in a negative way because of this. i can't stand it. so in the end, i'm going to have to say that i do not support gay marriage.


i'm sorry you had a poor experience, but unforunately, you cannot judge every single family based upon your experiences alone.

[tpasmall]

And if one more person says "I have friends who are gay" I'm going to punch someone.

ACCEPTANCE NOT HATE.

I'd say its pretty hateful to punch someone for saying they have gay friends. Or that they don't agree with homosexuality. It sounds like you need to 'ACCEPT' people who don't agree with you and stop 'HATING' them for having a different opinion.

[kennethagee]

You seem very one-sided yourself. So what's your argument? Equal rights should be given across the board? The argument is that same-sex marriage would trigger a negative effect in society. Yes they will get marriage eventually in my opinion, and they should but too fast could lead to an economic and political disaster. You have to take into account that the whole US is strongly dependant on prior set precedents. In any legal issue it takes a lot of time and a VERY strong argument to overturn them whether it involves homosexuals or not.


I try very hard to not be one sided, but there are some issues that just don't have two sides. I still can't find any valid argument against gay marriage. I've never heard one, if someone could give me one then I won't be so one sided. The bible is NOT a valid argument. Explain these economic and political disasters to me. Is our economy going to crash because gays can marry? What is the political problem going to be? Except maybe a few really conservatives might say or do something like Trent Lott did and maybe hurt their careers. I'm not a crazy liberal, I'm very moderate on most issues, but even my conservative grandfather can see how one sided this argument is and he is 71 years old and voted for Bush.

[Pat Marquez]

I have friends who are gay.
haha well that sure does explain a lot.

[Ambien]

I try very hard to not be one sided, but there are some issues that just don't have two sides. I still can't find any valid argument against gay marriage. I've never heard one, if someone could give me one then I won't be so one sided. The bible is NOT a valid argument. Explain these economic and political disasters to me. Is our economy going to crash because gays can marry? What is the political problem going to be? Except maybe a few really conservatives might say or do something like Trent Lott did and maybe hurt their careers. I'm not a crazy liberal, I'm very moderate on most issues, but even my conservative grandfather can see how one sided this argument is and he is 71 years old and voted for Bush.

Well the fact that more than half of the US are oppose to Gay marriage is a pretty signifigant fact you're overlooking. How is that not signifigant? Politcally it's always 2/3 required to make any decision let along one of such proportions and risk. Also young homosexuals are very promiscuous. It's a fact that has been gathered through research, surveys, and polls. If there was possibly a higher age limit or a change in that fact overnight it might make the homosexuals' argument of marriage mean something more than the simply put "equal rights" one. I agree older, mature and commited homosexuals deserve marriage but the numbers that are evident make me not want to support a young population that more than 80% have admitted to being promiscuous. Would this change if they could marry? Possibly, but divorce is a very tedious and time consuming effort which takes a lot of the governments money and time in court that could be spent on other issues. Yes, it would even use tax dollars. It's a more than fair assumption that with gay marriage being instituted that divorce rates would skyrocket thus costing us more tax dollars and the lot. That's just one reason so now you can say you have heard one legitimate argument. Numbers and facts don't lie and trends don't just pull u-turns. There are others. Social divisiveness for instance. It could be argued even more so than what ultimately caused the civil war. Black's didn't choose to be black and it can't be proven in any way that Gay's aren't simply making a conscious choie. There's no gay gene. Why should we solve a problem by paying more tax dollars when gay's don't just solve it by finding a legitimate heterosexual mate. You can argue about being born gay until your blue in the face but it can't be proven. The list goes on. Again, personally if gay marriage laws were passed allowing it I wouldn't argue or complain. Same thing as if they never get passed. The average age to live to is about 78 years and even though it's increasing it doesn't make sense for me to waste more than the 10-15 minutes I've spent posting on this board and the other time involved or learning about the issue. I have a lot of things on my list of priority as far as long term goals go to focus on rather than heavily promoting gay marriage.

[Scott Weber]

haha well that sure does explain a lot.
That was a sarcastic response to the comment before me, buddy.