Drugs And Music

[Pat Marquez]

More lately then ever I have heard kids talking about bands and drugs. For the most part I never believe any of the stories just because it is usually a long the lines of this "my friend totally saw him do this or that." I guess people tend to jump to conclusions to quickly, but it's very possible that they are telling the truth. It doesn't bother me when I hear about bands doing drugs, but it seems to bug a lot of people. What is your opinion on the matter?

I say that it is their life and I am not one to tell them that what they do is wrong.

[Ratherbedead22]

yeah its their life and ultimately their body, but i still think its stupid.

[Krebllogs]

::crickets::

[EHSBeli]

it doesn't bother me all that much ... some of the best bands are not the cleanest of people. i listen to to music for the music and not necessarily the people behind it. although it is sort of dissapointing to idolize and look up to a musician and find out they don't have the greatest morals. it won't change my opinion on a band though. i don't think many fans realize how many bands out there DO use drugs though ....

[YouMadeTheScene]

People can do whatever they want that's not our business. I don't go up to someone in the street who looks coked out or something and start berating them and telling they are wrong. I think fans feel as if they are these peoples actual friends to many times. If it affects their music or live show fine, but other than that it's just these people wanting to feel cooler and more scene by knowing or making this shit up.

Unfortunately drugs are a part of any music genre, including this genre.

[k0d1ak]

I have sympathy for the guys and girls that are abusing the more dangerous drugs, I just hope there habits don't catch up with them soon.

[Mercy Medical]

yeah its their life and ultimately their body, but i still think its stupid.
That's the stance I sort of take on the matter too. I don't agree with it and it somewhat disappoints me, but I guess it's expected of rock stars and it is their body and their life, so I really can't do anything about it.

[Pat Marquez]

it doesn't bother me all that much ... some of the best bands are not the cleanest of people. i listen to to music for the music and not necessarily the people behind it. although it is sort of dissapointing to idolize and look up to a musician and find out they don't have the greatest morals. it won't change my opinion on a band though. i don't think many fans realize how many bands out there DO use drugs though ....
ya... and they are all very very shocked when they do find out. but really.. it's kind of crazy.. but a lot of people do drugs... it's accepted more then ever now if you ask me. and i don't know if that is a good or bad thing.

[HoboAdam]

true till death

[Pat Marquez]

::crickets::
ooo im hungry .. where are they?

[HoboAdam]

that was a typo

[elemenohpe]

I say that it is there life and I am not one to tell them that what they do is wrong.

you would say that, junkie.

i don't really give a shit though. if it weren't for drugs we probably wouldn't have a lot of the "classic" albums we have now. (not necessarily in this genre but, a lot of "great" records were recorded on drugs)

[Vint]

I dont like people that do drugs. It's a bad habit. More then a 'habit' but i'll just call it that. If a band or someone in a band does drugs i'll still listen. I'm kinda undecided right now.

[Brownpants06]

if you do drugs, you will get clamidia and you will die.

[StartingLine182]

Its gotten to the point where its not even thought of as bad when people do drugs.

[elemenohpe]

true till death

i remember when daryl used to say that.

[clevername]

The only one that really bothers me, as far as rumors, is the whole Anthony Green one. Everytime I've talked to him, and this is like 10 different occasions, he has never seemed likehe was on Coke. I knew people who were on coke and he showed none of their similarites.

As for in general, unfortunatly it is their body and I really have no say in it.. I don't get drugs personally, like why people like or need them, and I wish that they would just be cast out of existance. I mean, if it's not affecting them live then I guess it's not the end of the world, I just don't want to see many fallen angels before they're supposed to go.

[CrenshawKiss714]

I know who started this. hehehe.

[SonEric84]

Eh...I guess there's nothing you can say about it but I do find it disappointing to know.

[Crimson_Curse]

what they do is what they do


though i will go out on the record and say the only band i have seen doing drugs other than weed was avenged sevenfold...and they are proud of it.

[Pat Marquez]

true till death
that's a tough label to live by, i hope you are strong enough to hold on to it.

[killthellghts]

can anyone make a short list of bands that FACTUALLY do drugs? i find this interesting. i heard silverstein does a lot of drugs.

[Ratherbedead22]

true till death

chain of strength.

[Pat Marquez]

I know who started this. hehehe.
???

[EHSBeli]

i hate to mention it, but this thread is reminding me of conor oberst. some of his fans are in denial of his drug usage and get very defensive when anyone says anything about him using drugs ... when he openly admits to writing songs about it and being a cokehead (his words, not mine)

[angel_words]

If we really didn't care would anyone have posted this or even responded to this? I think we all care to some degree. Whether it's mere curiousity, or the fact that we actually give a shit.

[Pat Marquez]

can anyone make a short list of bands that FACTUALLY do drugs? i find this interesting. i heard silverstein does a lot of drugs.
i've always been curious too... but i didn't want to say that because a lot of people would see that as me attacking a band(s) and i wouldn't want to do that.

after all i think weed should be legalized. do you know what adderall is? that shit is legal and no where near as bad as weed.

[Bikeage]

1-2-fuck off, drop out, never trust a fucking hippie
And for that matter don't trust anyone.
Quit school, don't work, livin' out the music de punk.
If I could do it so could anyone.

Drugs are good, they let you do things that you know you not should.
And when you do 'em people think that you're cool.
And when you do 'em people think that you're cool.

1-2-join a punk band, shave your head and get a tattoo.
You don't need talent just sing out of tune.
Self destruction, no moral to throw it on me.
For no particular reason beat up everyone.

Drugs are neat, and you can buy 'em relatively cheap.
And when you do 'em people think that you're cool.
And when you do 'em people think that you're cool.

[shane hennessey]

it dosent bother me. we've already discussed my past experiences in the general forum but bands can do whatever they want and im not going to judge them. sometimes the useage of drugs creates amazing music

[farfromsafe]

I think people can do whatever substances they want, as long as it doesn't bother anyone else around them who doesn't want to be involved. But I'm one to disagree with the "war on drugs" too. I think drugs should be legal, I've heard the opinion of cops who think that way too, and how the $$ spent to crack down is just a waste. People are going to do it if its legal or not. I remember reading a study about how drug use went UP ever since they tried to make it all illegal. Sigh.

If my uncle can sit in a bar and drink alcohol and smoke cigarettes, and stumble out of there drunk, I dont see why my neighbor can't sit and smoke a bowl of marijunana or snort some coke in his own damn house. Alcohol is a drug, why cant the rest be legal too.

And the only drug I have ever done is smoke up, once, and that was it. I can't even stand cigarettes..... :shake:

But anyway, with the bands, I think it's part of the 'rock and roll' lifestyle in a way. Party Hard. It doesn't change my preference for any of the artists if they do something I wouldn't personally do. As long as they are making good heartfelt music

[weworemasks]

can anyone make a short list of bands that FACTUALLY do drugs? i find this interesting. i heard silverstein does a lot of drugs.

im not going to post about it, but i know a handful. pm me.



anyway, drugs are pretty fucking stupid, its ruined alot of my friendships, and ive never done them, nor will i ever do them.
but if someone in a band chooses to do them, i could care less, im in it for the music.

[Crimson_Curse]

I think there is this one band...the sex pistols...I think they did drugs once

[elemenohpe]

i've always been curious too... but i didn't want to say that because a lot of people would see that as me attacking a band(s) and i wouldn't want to do that.

after all i think weed should be legalized. do you know what adderall is? that shit is legal and no where near as bad as weed.

what's so bad about adderall?

just makes you think a lot... and concentrate on shit... and be very elaborate with your words... and stay awake... and make your heart beat really fast...

[AmIWrong]

i've always been curious too... but i didn't want to say that because a lot of people would see that as me attacking a band(s) and i wouldn't want to do that.

after all i think weed should be legalized. do you know what adderall is? that shit is legal and no where near as bad as weed.

Yeah weed should be legal it's no worse than alcohol. do you mean aderall is worse than weed?

[crayZbuzzard]

If a band needs to take some drugs to create a kickass record, I'm all for it. Drugs have inspired some of the greatest bands of our time. Nirvana, The Mars Volta...I could go on forever.

[cinematic_life]

whatever happened to straight edge...hmm

[The Silencer]

did my thread spark this post Pat?

[leafsacc]

i think people can do whatever they want, but i'm going to think less of them if i know they're drug addicts. If i know a band does a lot of drugs, i'm less likley to buy their albums because i think it's a bad thing to promote and most people do things other than play music, and they can't lead a productive life while using drugs.

[snoogins93311]

Drugs create good music and better musicians....religion is what really fucks the world up.

[Vint]

The only one that really bothers me, as far as rumors, is the whole Anthony Green one. Everytime I've talked to him, and this is like 10 different occasions, he has never seemed likehe was on Coke. I knew people who were on coke and he showed none of their similarites.

As for in general, unfortunatly it is their body and I really have no say in it.. I don't get drugs personally, like why people like or need them, and I wish that they would just be cast out of existance. I mean, if it's not affecting them live then I guess it's not the end of the world, I just don't want to see many fallen angels before they're supposed to go.

Someone on the Circa Survive message boards posted that one of the bands drummer that their touring with, told him that Anthony was doing drugs back stage. Some other people reinforced what he said saying that he was slurring words more then usual and just looked high. Nick (CS's bassist or guitarist?) posted to say that Anthony is clean.

He's one of my favorite singers and although i'd like to say that it doesnt matter and it's all about the music, it's hard to say that when someone killing themself like that.

I've seen Circa Survive three times and only once did he seem high. But it's a FACT that he did drugs when he was Saosin, i even have a video of him saying he did drugs. I'll post it if you want.

[suburbn_thrills]

I lose a lot of respect for people that do drugs. This goes for everybody; my friends, family, people who i don't even know. It's just the way i see things.


Ultimately, the fact that a band does drugs isn't going to change my overall opinion on the band, but a certain amount of my respect is lost for them or the individual.

[Pat Marquez]

1-2-fuck off, drop out, never trust a fucking hippie
And for that matter don't trust anyone.
Quit school, don't work, livin' out the music de punk.
If I could do it so could anyone.

Drugs are good, they let you do things that you know you not should.
And when you do 'em people think that you're cool.
And when you do 'em people think that you're cool.

1-2-join a punk band, shave your head and get a tattoo.
You don't need talent just sing out of tune.
Self destruction, no moral to throw it on me.
For no particular reason beat up everyone.

Drugs are neat, and you can buy 'em relatively cheap.
And when you do 'em people think that you're cool.
And when you do 'em people think that you're cool.
i like that song. and i hate people that openly brag about drug usauge and i think that is what this song is about...

i went to a party and this awesome totally rad dude came in and asked "DOES ANYONE HAVE ANY FUCKING HARD DRUGS?"

...that's not cool at all.

[siimpx]

....religion is what really fucks the world up.

whaaaat? how does religion fuck the world up more than drugs?

[catchmealone]

Ultimately, I think it comes down to each person. It's their choice.
But by the way I see it, the "underground scene" just lost someone by accident(yes, car accident, I know). Point I'm making is, why do something just for a temporary high when it has life threatening consequences? People do overdose. It happens. I would think after so many bands lost a friend, why would they want to do something that can cause their life to be shortened dramatically, and possibly even end it immediately?

Just my thoughts on it.

[GAD_guy]

i saw conor oberst get drunk last night. does that count?

[Pat Marquez]

I think people can do whatever substances they want, as long as it doesn't bother anyone else around them who doesn't want to be involved. But I'm one to disagree with the "war on drugs" too. I think drugs should be legal, I've heard the opinion of cops who think that way too, and how the $$ spent to crack down is just a waste. People are going to do it if its legal or not. I remember reading a study about how drug use went UP ever since they tried to make it all illegal. Sigh.

If my uncle can sit in a bar and drink alcohol and smoke cigarettes, and stumble out of there drunk, I dont see why my neighbor can't sit and smoke a bowl of marijunana or snort some coke in his own damn house. Alcohol is a drug, why cant the rest be legal too.

And the only drug I have ever done is smoke up, once, and that was it. I can't even stand cigarettes..... :shake:

But anyway, with the bands, I think it's part of the 'rock and roll' lifestyle in a way. Party Hard. It doesn't change my preference for any of the artists if they do something I wouldn't personally do. As long as they are making good heartfelt music
basically i agree with this 100 percent, haha.

[paperfist]

You are kidding yourself if you think that most of your favorite bands dont do drugs.....ummm, unless you only listen to straight edge hardcore.

basically, the accesability of drugs to rock stars and the influence of famous musicians that people look up to make it very appealing to musicians these days. that and the fact they dont really have any responsibilities on tour, except for a (max) hour long set once a day.

you can tell bands like A7X do it to be like G'n'R and motley crue. i'm all for drugs in rock and roll, even though i dont do them. i love to see front men fucked up beyond belief.

[JIMMYateEARTH]

My Stance is to do what you want to do to your self just don't encourage others to go down with you.
I personally can see no need for it. Why people would do it to them selves is beyond me. I despise drugs and the Usage of them. I'm not saying it is my place to judge peopel for thier choices but I have my opinion and I won't change it. I one day aspire to be in the D.E.A., or the F.B.I. and I believe in the law, they make them for a reason might as well follow them, even if I don't agree with all of them.

[Pat Marquez]

what's so bad about adderall?

just makes you think a lot... and concentrate on shit... and be very elaborate with your words... and stay awake... and make your heart beat really fast...
adderall is fucking speed man. crystal meth.

you crush that shit up and snort it you are going to be fucked up.

[thefashionfocus]

I hope a lot of people on here know that there is a difference between recreational use and addiction, since I'm seeing it thrown around on here. I've actually quit bands due to other members' drug habits, but past that I don't judge. It's really out there in this scene though. Bands, promoters, everyone. If I'm not around it then I don't worry about it. Swear to god, though, I would have some choice words for a person that blows cigarette smoke in my face...

[Pat Marquez]

all these legalized ADD / ADHD / Anti Depressant Meds fuck you up.. they screw with your head so much.

I mean.. I'm sure in some cases they really do help, but I just don't see the use for them.

[PunkDrums182]

Eh...I guess there's nothing you can say about it but I do find it disappointing to know.
yea, that's how i feel. I don't like to know that they do it, it kinda makes me all :-/ .. but not much i can do

[HoboAdam]

all that matter is that lifetime is touring in cali and rumor has it they are doing a full tour after

check jadetree.com if you dont believe

[thewebguy]

pete went$ tried to sell me marijuana tablets

[siimpx]

i don't understand why ciggs are legal & they're like the number one cause of death in many countries & 1/2 of cancer deaths but other drugs not nearly as harmful will get you thrown in jail.

[Pat Marquez]

Yeah weed should be legal it's no worse than alcohol. do you mean aderall is worse than weed?
i think adderall is awful man. i admit i have abused it more then once.. and just the experienes i have from coming down.. it's fucking terrible. not only that the side affects (when you really do have to take it) really fuck with you... loss of appetitie, you can't sleep!!! i just think dr.s nowadays are to quick to prescribe meds.

[EHSBeli]

all these legalized ADD / ADHD / Anti Depressant Meds fuck you up.. they screw with your head so much.

I mean.. I'm sure in some cases they really do help, but I just don't see the use for them.

my friends who are hopped up because they accidentally take a higher dosage of adhd medication scare me so much more than any of them high or drunk. it looks so bad.

[elemenohpe]

adderall is fucking speed man. crystal meth.

you crush that shit up and snort it you are going to be fucked up.

well, i've never crushed and snorted it but i've never had an experience with it where i felt that it was worse than weed or alcohol.

[theORIONband]

drugs + music = a great idea

[Pat Marquez]

my friends who are hopped up because they accidentally take a higher dosage of adhd medication scare me so much more than any of them high or drunk. it looks so bad.
dude when you abuse that stuff it is not a pretty experience.

[thexflamesxburn]

well i hate drugs personally. they're illegal for a reason. mind altering substances never had anything good come out of it.

a lot of these bands are role models for younger kids. a lot of people wish they were just like them, or friends with them, or whatever it may be. seeing them partake in any sort of drug or narcotic is very disheartening, not to mention disgusting.

doing drugs just shows your lack of self-respect. i think you need to respect yourself before you can respect anyone else.

[Pat Marquez]

did my thread spark this post Pat?
yeah dude, kind of. just wanted to see what everyone had to say.

[theESCO]

I've done my fair share when i was younger, and I can't honestly say that I wouldn't get down if my job was being a rock star.

[jynxedheart]

"id rather die on drugs than live my life on edge"

[EamonKid]

I myself have quit touching all that stuff for now. But everyone makes their own decisions.

[snoogins93311]

whaaaat? how does religion fuck the world up more than drugs?

look at the whole middle east, they are kiling each other because they hate one anothers beliefs and ours, look at hitler, every major fucked up shit in the world has been religous based. We would never have an atheist president because everyone would think his morals and family values would be shit...when in fact he would probably have the clearest head ever.

[Pat Marquez]

pete went$ tried to sell me marijuana tablets
haha that's a new drug to me.

[OneBirdOneStone]

i think its really lame how bands can get lumped into being "stoners" from stupid rumors. Anyway, all of the greats used LSD and shit like that. If you've got the balls, try it. it will change your life. and dont knock ANYTHING till you try it. except heroin and coke.

[elemenohpe]

mind altering substances never had anything good come out of it.

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[thexflamesxburn]

i don't understand why ciggs are legal & they're like the number one cause of death in many countries & 1/2 of cancer deaths but other drugs not nearly as harmful will get you thrown in jail.
because the government gets oer $1 billion in revenue a year from tobacco companies. they will simply raise taxes on them because then the government will say "hey we don't support smoking, so here's a higher tax so you won't buy it."

if you're addicted to nicotine, you're still going to buy it, no matter what the cost (within reason). they are doing this so they make even more money but have a facade to hide behind.

i have a 53 page paper i wrote on this. it has a lot to do with human psychology and human tendency, but yeah, i wont put the whole thing here. you get the idea i think.

[Guy]

a little marijuana never hurt anyone, and you all should try mushrooms too. that's about as far as I'll go, I've blown coke a few times and it was a positive experience but I'm not going to do it again. The best part is, I've never paid for any of it!

[resUrectMe617]

i mean, obviously its unhealthy for you. but really can we do? its their body and if they choose to ignore the health facts, then well... don't say we didn't tell you so.

[Pat Marquez]

well i hate drugs personally. they're illegal for a reason. mind altering substances never had anything good come out of it.

a lot of these bands are role models for younger kids. a lot of people wish they were just like them, or friends with them, or whatever it may be. seeing them partake in any sort of drug or narcotic is very disheartening, not to mention disgusting.

doing drugs just shows your lack of self-respect. i think you need to respect yourself before you can respect anyone else.
yeah... a role model should never be a musician.. or anyone.. i guess i don't really believe in role models. don't try and mold your life after someone elses.. we all have skeletons in the closest...

[elemenohpe]

haha that's a new drug to me.

it's possible.

just a pain. and brownies taste better than pills anyway.

[Frank Giaramita]

I dont like people that do drugs. It's a bad habit. More then a 'habit' but i'll just call it that. If a band or someone in a band does drugs i'll still listen. I'm kinda undecided right now.

"I don't like people that do drugs"

That's an extremely ignorant statement in my opinion.

You're really in no place to criticize anybody for the decisions or choices they make in life... unless thsoe decisions are effecting you directly. I think it makes sense to have an opinion on the matter, of course, but to criticize anyone just because they do things that you may not agree with is absurd. To each their own... it's their life, not yours.

[catchmealone]

The thing about Adderall is it is meant to be taken by someone under the supervision of a MD. It is highly addictive, but it is extremely helpful to some people.
I feel ANY drug is bad when ABUSED.

[thefashionfocus]

Totally not insinuating anything by this, but I find it interesting that most of the people that find drugs totally Black and white negative are under 20 on here.

[thewebguy]

"I don't like people that do drugs"

That's an extremely ignorant statement in my opinion.

You're really in no place to criticize anybody for the decisions or choices they make in life... unless thsoe decisions are effecting you directly. I think it makes sense to have an opinion on the matter, of course, but to criticize anyone just because they do things that you may not agree with is absurd. To each their own... it's their life, not yours.

that sounds like a really good way to justify anything you ever do.

[Guy]

have any of you tried percoset when you're not dying from pain? it's the greatest. take two first period and watch the school day fly by.

[GAD_guy]

don't know if this has already been said but.......a lot of the best music ever was created under the influence of drugs.

[thinkfast]

I agree that it's everyone's choice to do drugs. I don't do drugs, but I'm not going to say other people are bad for choosing to do that. It's not a big deal to me if musicians do drugs, but still, it disappoints me a little when I hear they do.

[The Silencer]

yeah dude, kind of. just wanted to see what everyone had to say.
word. I think it's a pretty important issue, it's basically split 50/50 on how everyone feels about it.

[theESCO]

http://images.amazon.com/images/P/B000002P5Y.01._SCLZZZZZZZ_.jpg
:thumbsup:

[clevername]

Someone on the Circa Survive message boards posted that one of the bands drummer that their touring with, told him that Anthony was doing drugs back stage. Some other people reinforced what he said saying that he was slurring words more then usual and just looked high. Nick (CS's bassist or guitarist?) posted to say that Anthony is clean.

He's one of my favorite singers and although i'd like to say that it doesnt matter and it's all about the music, it's hard to say that when someone killing themself like that.

I've seen Circa Survive three times and only once did he seem high. But it's a FACT that he did drugs when he was Saosin, i even have a video of him saying he did drugs. I'll post it if you want.


I believe that. See when he was in Saosin he did seem high a lot. I was talking recently. Like I've seen Circa every chance that I've gotten and that's what I was basing it upon. I mean, there are some people that, well it's not that I don't care, it's more it's not as big a deal. But for some reason, if it turned out he was a complete junkie, I dunno, I think I would lose some of the value of the music... it's weird I guess...

[catchmealone]

there actually are marajuana tablets, called Marinol.
I work in a pharmacy, and I've dispensed them a few times.
The time I prescribed it, it was ordered for a lady with a bad appititte. Dr. thought she might be anorexic, so he gave her these to make her have more of an appititte.

[siimpx]

i guess it's just me, but i think your life would have to be pretty fucked up to have to alter your mental state to have a good time.

[leafsacc]

"I don't like people that do drugs"

That's an extremely ignorant statement in my opinion.

You're really in no place to criticize anybody for the decisions or choices they make in life... unless thsoe decisions are effecting you directly. I think it makes sense to have an opinion on the matter, of course, but to criticize anyone just because they do things that you may not agree with is absurd. To each their own... it's their life, not yours.

Does that mean i can't criticize bush for getting our soldiers killed in iraqu if it doesn't effect me directly? I don't think so. I would criticize a person because i care about their safety, so maybe it does effect me in some way, but i think you can point out what they are doing is wrong in hopes that they will stop.

[JIMMYateEARTH]

well i hate drugs personally. they're illegal for a reason. mind altering substances never had anything good come out of it.

a lot of these bands are role models for younger kids. a lot of people wish they were just like them, or friends with them, or whatever it may be. seeing them partake in any sort of drug or narcotic is very disheartening, not to mention disgusting.

doing drugs just shows your lack of self-respect. i think you need to respect yourself before you can respect anyone else.

well said,
I think this is funny cause I was watching he-man earlier and I watched the anti-drug episode. I believe the comics I read and the heros I watched when I was younger had a strong hand in forming what I believe. Kids today need good cartoons like we had back in the day.

[snoogins93311]

everyone should try a drug or two in there life...i mean at least your not left out of the coolest party ever

[Pat Marquez]

there actually are marajuana tablets, called Marinol.
I work in a pharmacy, and I've dispensed them a few times.
The time I prescribed it, it was ordered for a lady with a bad appititte. Dr. thought she might be anorexic, so he gave her these to make her have more of an appititte.
haha whoa thats nuts. however when im high im never really hungry. i can tear through food but i never feel the need to.

i eat ice cream a lot when im high.

[Frank Giaramita]

that sounds like a really good way to justify anything you ever do.
These band members are total strangers to a large majority of the people in the crowd. In my opinion, walking up to a band member and telling him, "Stop doing drugs" is about as ridiculous as walking up to a stranger and telling him that.

I mean, unless these band members are on stage shooting heroin in their arm or encouraging kids to do drugs by saying stuff like.."Everyone go home and snort some coke tonight!", it's nobody's business.

[thewebguy]

there actually are marajuana tablets, called Marinol.
I work in a pharmacy, and I've dispensed them a few times.
The time I prescribed it, it was ordered for a lady with a bad appititte. Dr. thought she might be anorexic, so he gave her these to make her have more of an appititte.

lol that's pretty funny, i was only quoting it from mean girls when pricipal is like "kids, did your teacher ever try to sell you marijuana or extacy tablets?" (or something like that) and the kid is like "what are marijuana tablets?"

[maledixtion]

Anthony Green does COCAINE!!!

[elemenohpe]

i guess it's just me, but i think your life would have to be pretty fucked up to have to alter your mental state to have a good time.

it's not just to "have" a good time

...it's to "enhance" the good time.

[Frank Giaramita]

Does that mean i can't criticize bush for getting our soldiers killed in iraqu if it doesn't effect me directly? I don't think so. I would criticize a person because i care about their safety, so maybe it does effect me in some way, but i think you can point out what they are doing is wrong in hopes that they will stop.
What are you talking about? It does effect you directly... every decision a president makes effects the country YOU live in.

[ben pequeno]

L0LZ3R! i He@r Tj w00dmuff d03s drugs, any1 w@nna b@ck th1s up?!

[catchmealone]

haha whoa thats nuts. however when im high im never really hungry. i can tear through food but i never feel the need to.

i eat ice cream a lot when im high.
haha, yea, I always seem to get more hungry when I'm drunk. When I'm high, I just wanna chill and watch a movie, then pass out.

[Pat Marquez]

haha, yea, I always seem to get more hungry when I'm drunk. When I'm high, I just wanna chill and watch a movie, then pass out.
haha the same with me.

[Pat Marquez]

L0LZ3R! i He@r Tj w00dmuff d03s drugs, any1 w@nna b@ck th1s up?!
haha sweet bong.

[stare2thesun]

it shouldn't matter, its a musician's personal choice to abstain from drugs and alcohol, not the fan's opinion. it can suck when bands are high during shows but on the other hand when one of my favorite bands was tripping on acid they put on the best performance because they were so uninhibited.

[ben pequeno]

blah blah blah something something cool bong dude.
that's not even the best part...IT'S THE GUY FROM LAGUNA BEACH!

...
...

ok, maybe that is the best part.

[baysiderocks]

i only smoke cuz its part of my cancer treatment

i dont have cancer, its just preventative measure

[Flags of Dawn]

i think if it starts to become a problem people should step in.

see: Mitch Hedberg

[leafsacc]

What are you talking about? It does effect you directly... every decision a president makes effects the country YOU live in.

I'm not saying it's not important, but i don't know anyone who is fighting. And not every descision a presidnet makes effects me directly, there are plenty of examples, like corporate accounting regulations. Stupid example.

[BrandNizzle182]

it is stupid to do hard drugs when you can drink massive amounts of alcohol and lose your mind legally.

[aheroinmyeyes]

Personally I am against drugs, based on personal experience through family members. Just seeing the effects, not only to a person's body, but also the way they affect the lives of those around them when they think they are out just "having fun" kind of turned me off from that whole lifestyle. I guess watching siblings literally throw their lives away and tear a family apart can do that.

However, with musicians I don't feel the same way. I guess that is kind of a double standard. They are just so removed from me that I don't feel involved in any way. I also know that I have no control whatsoever over anything that they do. If it was someone that I knew personally my opinion would immediately change of them, just in a general sense, but I guess it's something that I sort of assume is part of the music lifestyle. I have a lot of respect for musicians who choose not to give into those things, but I don't dislike a band or a band member based solely on the fact that he or she does drugs.

[smokedsanity]

look at the whole middle east, they are kiling each other because they hate one anothers beliefs and ours, look at hitler, every major fucked up shit in the world has been religous based. We would never have an atheist president because everyone would think his morals and family values would be shit...when in fact he would probably have the clearest head ever.


I'm not trying to start anything or dispute your point because I too believe that religion has been harmful to much of the world. I see it as similar drugs(which, by the way, I am not a drug user): when it's abused, it becomes a problem. Please no one crawl my ass for that comment, I do realize it is extremely overgeneralized. Anyway, you see gang wars and people killing each other over drugs like you do religion. Not in such mass numbers but you do see it.

[Pat Marquez]

that's not even the best part...IT'S THE GUY FROM LAGUNA BEACH!

...
...

ok, maybe that is the best part.
haha that's awesome. where did you find that?

[ben pequeno]

Personally I am against drugs, based on personal experience through family members. Just seeing the effects, not only to a person's body, but also the way they affect the lives of those around them when they think they are out just "having fun" kind of turned me off from that whole lifestyle. I guess watching siblings literally throw their lives away and tear a family apart can do that.

However, with musicians I don't feel the same way. I guess that is kind of a double standard. They are just so removed from me that I don't feel involved in any way. I also know that I have no control whatsoever over anything that they do. If it was someone that I knew personally my opinion would immediately change of them, just in a general sense, but I guess it's something that I sort of assume is part of the music lifestyle. I have a lot of respect for musicians who choose not to give into those things, but I don't dislike a band or a band member based solely on the fact that he or she does drugs.

btw, your username has the word "heroin" in it. =/ i'm telling mommy.

[Katie Schmitz]

In my opinion, I think that people in bands are doing drugs, of any kind, it's probably just to keep pace. It's been going on for a while now. As an example, Elvis Presely was doind meth in Germany when he was in the army to keep up with training couple with late night shows. So I think it's pretty much the same concept. These guys are worn out and they need something to keep them going. Drugs must provide that.

[Katie Schmitz]

btw, your username has the word "heroin" in it. =/ i'm telling mommy.
love the sig

[ben pequeno]

haha that's awesome. where did you find that?oh yea ben, dude you're fucking awesome! i love you more than i love touching my weiner and smoking a roach.

<plug> collegehumor.com </plug>

[singthblues]

Drugs create good music and better musicians....religion is what really fucks the world up.


its sad how true that is

[Katie Schmitz]

<plug> collegehumor.com </plug>
good damn website, haha

[ben pequeno]

I'm not trying to start anything or dispute your point because I too believe that religion has been harmful to much of the world. I see it as similar drugs(which, by the way, I am not a drug user): when it's abused, it becomes a problem. Please no one crawl my ass for that comment, I do realize it is extremely overgeneralized. Anyway, you see gang wars and people killing each other over drugs like you do religion. Not in such mass numbers but you do see it.

start something! NO MORE SCENE POINTS! GO CRAZY MOTHER TRUCKER!!! CALL SOMEONES MOMMY A DUMMY-HEAD!

[thewebguy]

These band members are total strangers to a large majority of the people in the crowd. In my opinion, walking up to a band member and telling him, "Stop doing drugs" is about as ridiculous as walking up to a stranger and telling him that.

I mean, unless these band members are on stage shooting heroin in their arm or encouraging kids to do drugs by saying stuff like.."Everyone go home and snort some coke tonight!", it's nobody's business.

i don't dissagree with any of that, but it's not really the vibe i got from the post i was talking about.

should you decide you're better than someone because of something they do? i don't think so. can you still make a judgement call on whether you think something someone is doing is right or not? of course!

about the bush/troops example, what about someone i don't know in another state killing someone else i don't know? does that affect me? you can argue any action either way, they live in my country (or my world) so sure it affects me one way or another. can i say they are wrong for killing them? of course!

[Pat Marquez]

<plug> collegehumor.com </plug>
what do you work for them or something?

[Frank Giaramita]

I'm not saying it's not important, but i don't know anyone who is fighting. And not every descision a presidnet makes effects me directly, there are plenty of examples, like corporate accounting regulations. Stupid example.
Haha, if a presidents decisions didn't effect the American people, what would be the point of voting? This was a bad example on your part.

But yeah, I'll rephrase...as long as bands arent harming anybody else with their choices, I see no problem at all with the decisions they make in their personal lives.

[eatmeplz]

Smoke weed every day!

[thewebguy]

start something! NO MORE SCENE POINTS! GO CRAZY MOTHER TRUCKER!!! CALL SOMEONES MOMMY A DUMMY-HEAD!

crap you're right, i was starting to get a lot too :/

[ben pequeno]

good damn website, haha

you have any nude pictures for me yet?

[baysiderocks]

if drugs were not a part of music whatsoever, rock could likely not even exist. wed all be jammin to polka.

maybe not but just think about the pioneers of great music and almost all of them were stoners

[Katie Schmitz]

Smoke weed every day!
yes and eat lots of food

[aheroinmyeyes]

btw, your username has the word "heroin" in it. =/ i'm telling mommy.

Or "hero in" if that makes you feel better.

[Katie Schmitz]

you have any nude pictures for me yet?
not yet ... I've gotta be in the mood.

[ben pequeno]

what do you work for them or something?

i own collegehumor...NOT.
sorry, i was trying to be funny.

[Frank Giaramita]

i don't dissagree with any of that, but it's not really the vibe i got from the post i was talking about.

should you decide you're better than someone because of something they do? i don't think so. can you still make a judgement call on whether you think something someone is doing is right or not? of course!

about the bush/troops example, what about someone i don't know in another state killing someone else i don't know? does that affect me? you can argue any action either way, they live in my country (or my world) so sure it affects me one way or another. can i say they are wrong for killing them? of course!

I rephrased and I agree with this statement. I think anybody is open to judgement...sure, but to criticize, degrade or belittle anybody for the choices they make is absurd...unless someone's PERSONAL decision is effecting YOUR'S or SOMEBODY ELSE'S life (like the example you just gave; murder, rape, stealing, etc.), I see no reason to degrade or belittle at all.

Another example: I don't give a shit if people smoke cigarettes at all...unless they're sitting right next to me or doing it in an area where I am forced to inhale their shit. it pisses me off so much and I think stuff like this is where someone's decisions cross the line and become subject to criticism.

[Katie Schmitz]

i own collegehumor...NOT.
sorry, i was trying to be funny.
L O L

[ben pequeno]

not yet ... I've gotta be in the mood.

sometimes i like to dutch oven myself to sleep =/

[aloneatlastnj]

i'll admit, when i first started to find bands on my own like finch and the starting line, i loved the musicians and the music. and i was so devastated back then (around 15 or so, i'm 20 now) because the musicians that i looked up to were harming their bodies with drugs and alcohol. (come on, we all know nate and derek love the joints and tequila, and kenny will never pass on an opportunity to smoke up. classic jazz is about being high, after all.)

now that i'm in my 2nd year of college, it doesnt bother me. these people can do whatever they want with their lives and bodies. but when it becomes a part of the performance or press, thats when it bugs me.

to me, its like these people who play shows wasted or baked have no respect for the fans. in my eyes, they lose some credibility as musicians because they're willing to put the drugs and alcohol before the performance. for bands that want to "make it", and A&R/label reps are watching you perform trashed, wouldnt that harm the decision of the bigwigs watching you?

i'd like to see a response to this in one of Frank's little segments. it'd be very interesting to read an answer.

[baysiderocks]

good damn website, haha

im a daily visitor.

arent we a hot threesome

[Katie Schmitz]

I rephrased and I agree with this statement. I think anybody is open to judgement...sure, but to criticize, degrade or belittle anybody for the choices they make is absurd. Unless someone's PERSONAL decision is effecting SOMEBODY ELSE'S life (like the example you just gave), I see no reason to degrade.
:ditto:

[thefashionfocus]

I think that people need to realize that it's ok to feel sympathy for a person that gives in to drugs for whatever reason, but it's not right to judge them or think less of them for said abuse. That being said musicians are no different, and in a lot of ways forced to be even more immature than the standard person working 40 hour work weeks. I'm not saying that it's not hard work, but it is a bit removed from normal reality. Musicians are given the chance and encouraged to seperate themselves from "normal" life, in the hopes that this process will yield something innovative. If a band repeats the same album twice, they will be criticized and put down for lack of originality. Fans want something fresh, and drugs alter the normal thought processes enough to put a writer into a different state of mind that may give fans what they want from a writing perspective.

[Katie Schmitz]

im a daily visitor.

arent we a hot threesome

fucking hot, totally hawt.

[ben pequeno]

fucking hot, totally hawt.

that's including me, right? =)

[leafsacc]

Haha, if a presidents decisions didn't effect the American people, what would be the point of voting? This was a bad example on your part.

But yeah, I'll rephrase...as long as bands arent harming anybody else with their choices, I see no problem at all with the decisions they make in their personal lives.

i can understand that, but i think that there is a point were they might end up hurting somone else based on thier choices. i'm signing up for that logic class next semester so i can agrue better.

[Katie Schmitz]

that's including me, right? =)
duh silly, she said threesome!!

[ben pequeno]

i'll admit, when i first started to find bands on my own like finch and the starting line, i loved the musicians and the music. and i was so devastated back then (around 15 or so, i'm 20 now) because the musicians that i looked up to were harming their bodies with drugs and alcohol. (come on, we all know nate and derek love the joints and tequila, and kenny will never pass on an opportunity to smoke up. classic jazz is about being high, after all.)

now that i'm in my 2nd year of college, it doesnt bother me. these people can do whatever they want with their lives and bodies. but when it becomes a part of the performance or press, thats when it bugs me.

to me, its like these people who play shows wasted or baked have no respect for the fans. in my eyes, they lose some credibility as musicians because they're willing to put the drugs and alcohol before the performance. for bands that want to "make it", and A&R/label reps are watching you perform trashed, wouldnt that harm the decision of the bigwigs watching you?

i'd like to see a response to this in one of Frank's little segments. it'd be very interesting to read an answer.

LEAVE KENNY ALONE! HE WAS A VIRGIN UNTIL THE AGE OF 20!

[ben pequeno]

duh silly, she said threesome!!

...just making sure!

::does mike tyson dance from kimmel::

[baysiderocks]

that's including me, right? =)

hahaha.

yes i suppose

[Katie Schmitz]

I admit ... weed relaxes me quite a bit. But I don't need it to relax anymore; but God ... how I miss it :)

[fallingapart101]

Coming from a straight edge point of course I'm going to say drugs and alcohol are dumb. I have never drank anything in my life that was alcohol and never smoked anything in my life. If an artist wants to do that stuff let them. But if they are in a band just for the drugs then I will be turned off by them. I just found out that Days Away smokes weed and experiments with it with music. for some reason I saw that coming, but when I look back on them when they were young I don't see them doing that. Also another turn off is when on Starting Line's website there was a picture of Kenny holding weed and smiling. It is upsetting when you find out a band you like has different views than because if you meet them what if you say drinking is dumb they might be like oh well screw you. As long as they don't start singing about it or praising it. I don't go to people and say be straight edge. IT is your views and you should stick by them. And I hate when people think all straight edge people are close minded. I'm not and met a lot that aren't. Anyways I find hard drugs the worst my good friend committed suicide by jumping in front of a train because he did hard drugs but not just that he also did over the counter stuff. He was very messed up and too much leads to stupid action. I don't want to know that a band I listen to committed suicide from drugs. As for drinking it seems as more people do it then ever, but I don't know I rather drink so good Lipton or Snapple. Also legalizing weed I think would be very dumb. I think another band like Minor Threat should do a straight edge movement to see what happens. I think a lot of people would find the lifestyle pleasant. Well I leave with a joke my friend told me it may dumb but... How many straight edge kids does it take to drink a case of beer. One while the others aren't looking

[Katie Schmitz]

hahaha.

yes i suppose

you're my new best ap.net friend :)
haha, i like your sense of humor.

[Katie Schmitz]

Coming from a straight edge point of course I'm going to say drugs and alcohol are dumb. I have never drank anything in my life that was alcohol and never smoked anything in my life. If an artist wants to do that stuff let them. But if they are in a band just for the drugs then I will be turned off by them. I just found out that Days Away smokes weed and experiments with it with music. for some reason I saw that coming, but when I look back on them when they were young I don't see them doing that. Also another turn off is when on Starting Line's website there was a picture of Kenny holding weed and smiling. It is upsetting when you find out a band you like has different views than because if you meet them what if you say drinking is dumb they might be like oh well screw you. As long as they don't start singing about it or praising it. I don't go to people and say be straight edge. IT is your views and you should stick by them. And I hate when people think all straight edge people are close minded. I'm not and met a lot that aren't. Anyways I find hard drugs the worst my good friend committed suicide by jumping in front of a train because he did hard drugs but not just that he also did over the counter stuff. He was very messed up and too much leads to stupid action. I don't want to know that a band I listen to committed suicide from drugs. As for drinking it seems as more people do it then ever, but I don't know I rather drink so good Lipton or Snapple. Also legalizing weed I think would be very dumb. I think another band like Minor Threat should do a straight edge movement to see what happens. I think a lot of people would find the lifestyle pleasant. Well I leave with a joke my friend told me it may dumb but... How many straight edge kids does it take to drink a case of beer. One while the others aren't looking

it's just weed ... I mean it fucking grows in the ditches here, it's not like it's processed or anything.

[Frank Giaramita]

you're my new best ap.net friend :)
haha, i like your sense of humor.
You're such an AP.net friend whore!

[ben pequeno]

I admit ... weed relaxes me quite a bit. But I don't need it to relax anymore; but God ... how I miss it :)

haha i'm going to be hated for this but...hydrocodeine makes me relax!

[baysiderocks]

you're my new best ap.net friend :)
haha, i like your sense of humor.

its gotta be that whole we smell cow and pig shit everyday of our lives yes the biblebelt blows sense of humor

or im just that rad. i know thats it

[Frank Giaramita]

Another example: I don't give a shit if people smoke cigarettes at all and it really doesn't bother me...unless they're sitting right next to me or doing it in an area where I am forced to inhale their shit. I think stuff like this is where someone's personal decisions cross the line and become subject to criticism.

[ben pequeno]

you're my new best ap.net friend :)
haha, i like your sense of humor.
would you two do the saix and stuff?

[baysiderocks]

Another example: I don't give a shit if people smoke cigarettes at all and it really doesn't bother me...unless they're sitting right next to me or doing it in an area where I am forced to inhale their shit. I think stuff like this is where someone's personal decisions cross the line and become subject to criticism.

i get that. i want to say, i choose not to smoke, and your 2nd hand smoke is hurting my lungs more, so can i bum one?

really this is true

[GreenDayIdiot]

well, i agree with all those people about the whole "its their life" thing

my favorite band is Green Day, and has been for a long time, but isnt it wierd that my being straight edge and loving a band who's name represents a day full of potsmoking? i dont think so

[Katie Schmitz]

its gotta be that whole we smell cow and pig shit everyday of our lives yes the biblebelt blows sense of humor

or im just that rad. i know thats it

mmmm.....




BOTH!!

[baysiderocks]

would you two do the saix and stuff?

i try to be somewhat of a good kid from time to time

im always down with the peer pressure

[etwiels]

Nick from Underminded told me a story about how Anthony Green ate out a girl while she was on her period one time. I believed him.

[nerogtr]

alot of stuff out there is very harmful, but to each their own.

[ben pequeno]

i try to be somewhat of a good kid from time to time

im always down with the peer pressure

you wanna talk about it? sit down, take your shirt off. get comfortable. tell me what happened.

[ben pequeno]

Nick from Underminded told me a story about how Anthony Green ate out a girl while she was on her period one time. I believed him.

omfg.

[baysiderocks]

omfg.

yummy! drugs are fun!

haha

[ben pequeno]

drugs are fucking stupid

you are a fucking zero in my book if you do them
doesn't less than jake smoke weed?

[ben pequeno]

yummy! drugs are fun!

haha

i love you and hickpuff. marry me in nevada?

[ben pequeno]

drugs are fucking stupid
yea bitch, better change that quote.

[baysiderocks]

i love you and hickpuff. marry me in nevada?

reno or lv? you name place and time

only my 7th marriage. . . haha

[katieb0nes]

don't you think that the opinions are relative the to person's experiences with drugs? i know that i don't dont and will never do drugs and that i really don't make a habit of having friends that do drugs, because of personal experiences and i would warn people not to get involved with something that seriously ruins lives, think about it. And even though it's not true for everyone it's always a possiblity that something terrible will happen.

[Sureshot182]

i'm a firm believer of people can do what they want, as long as it doesn't hurt my family, friends or myself.

[IChangedMyName]

It is their choice..
But I think drugs are lame.

[MontysFC]

elliott smith is a perfect example ... marvelous music but he had a drug problem. doesn't mean anythign really if ya think about it, just listen to the music for music's sake. also take miles davis for example; made some of the most fucked up stuff, clean

[snoogins93311]

America needs drugs.....you have to think of shit in full circle, no drugs....no crime........no crime....no pussy...no kids....then we couldn't recreate and then god would have to make a child out of our ribs and i bet that hurts.

[katieb0nes]

America needs drugs.....you have to think of shit in full circle, no drugs....no crime........no crime....no pussy...no kids....then we couldn't recreate and then god would have to make a child out of our ribs and i bet that hurts.

wow that just reminded me how much i hate drugs.

[fallingapart101]

I have question out of curious I might not get a respond but... Do these bands do any
Saves The Day
Fall Out Boy-I heard they are straight edge except joe but now big I heard Pete partys
Mxpx
Weezer
Hidden In Plain View
Aquabats
I don't these bands were chosen at random.

[quiksilver21k]

This is the most important post ever made on absolutepunk.net. no matter what anyone says...I have read every single response to this, it really is important to see what your peers think about drugs. No matter what your own personal stance is on the issue. I think that drugs definatly produce some amazing music but that doesnt mean that you have to be on them to enjoy it. I personally love the Mars Volta and Rx Bandits...two of the most addicted bands ever...without any usage of enhancements. The truth is that heroin and coke will mess up your life. Dont try to defend it.

[katieb0nes]

This is the most important post ever made on absolutepunk.net. no matter what anyone says...I have read every single response to this, it really is important to see what your peers think about drugs. No matter what your own personal stance is on the issue. I think that drugs definatly produce some amazing music but that doesnt mean that you have to be on them to enjoy it. I personally love the Mars Volta and Rx Bandits...two of the most addicted bands ever...without any usage of enhancements. The truth is that heroin and coke will mess up your life. Dont try to defend it.

truth.
i'm glad someone makes sense.

[snoogins93311]

wow that just reminded me how much i hate drugs.

apparently when you don't do drugs, you have no sense of humor...bummer the world must seem miserable to you...im sure you drink caffeine....it's a drug.

by the way your country is founded by drugs....TOBACCO built this empire so move the fuck out.


Im an asshole by nature

[RedWineSheets]

If you got bad news, you wanna kick them blues; cocaine.
When your day is done and you wanna run; cocaine.

Eric Clapton

[Homesick]

90% of you have never even seen real drugs.

[snoogins93311]

90% of you have never even seen real drugs.

sucks for them

[catscradle]

Hardcore drugs aren't straight, but I smoked out with plenty of bands and in return got into shows for free and experienced some pretty good memories with some of my favorite bands..... no harm done. Whether people like it or not drugs are present in music today whether it be from pot to coke, I've met plenty of highly respected musicians in our industry who partake in all, even some of our golden boys!!! BUt you must admit if it weren't for some of these drugs we wouldn't have the music we listen to today!! Whether you like it or not drugs are apart of our music!!!

[katieb0nes]

apparently when you don't do drugs, you have no sense of humor...bummer the world must seem miserable to you...im sure you drink caffeine....it's a drug.

by the way your country is founded by drugs....TOBACCO built this empire so move the fuck out.


Im an asshole by nature
Oh i'm sorry that i take drug use seriously because it's fucked up my life. I do have a sense of humor, but not when it comes to something that's important. And back the fuck off, I'm sure that you along with everyother kid hates Bush, so go along with your advice. And you're right you are an asshole, and this is why i usually don't participate in the forums because of idiots like you.

P.S. i didn't say that i hate everyone who does drugs, i'd prefer if people didn't but as everyone has pointed out that it's your/their lives and they can do what they want. I'm not on the street corner preaching about drugs, i just want you to understand the other side of it.

[drayna14]

Page 12 so no one will read this but....

I saw 3 kids, they looked really young like 14, shoot heroine in the bathroom of the SOTY show in Boston. It really freaked me out.

[BeerNSluts]

All in moderation. All in moderation people.

[GreenDayIdiot]

drugs are very apparent in music these days, sometimes its really sad, sometimes its not, but once its gets to the point of interfering with the persons personal/offstage life or even with their onstage life (like what i've heard about the fenixtx shows) is when it gets fucking ridiculous and should really be looked at a little more seriously

[aheroinmyeyes]

Page 12 so no one will read this but....

I saw 3 kids, they looked really young like 14, shoot heroine in the bathroom of the SOTY show in Boston. It really freaked me out.

Wow, that's horrible. I actually know a 15 year old that died of a heroin overdose last year. I guess younger kids are getting into harder stuff now.

[Troy will Fall]

this is a interesting topic, i hate drugs and everything that comes along with them. But I also realize most of the bands i listen to smoke weed and who knows what other drugs..Its unfortunate, but its their lives. Can't say they should be role models for kids though.

[snowtires]

more and more, smaller bands are becoming bigger role models for young kids. like it or not, they need to take control of their actions or at least keep a better lid on them.

whether someone does tons of coke/heroin/pot by their own choice is one thing, 14 and 15 year old kids doing coke because they hear/saw their favorite band's singer do it is another.

[Pat Marquez]

This is the most important post ever made on absolutepunk.net. no matter what anyone says...I have read every single response to this, it really is important to see what your peers think about drugs. No matter what your own personal stance is on the issue. I think that drugs definatly produce some amazing music but that doesnt mean that you have to be on them to enjoy it. I personally love the Mars Volta and Rx Bandits...two of the most addicted bands ever...without any usage of enhancements. The truth is that heroin and coke will mess up your life. Dont try to defend it.
wait.... are you saying The Mars Volta is a "clean" band....

Did you not read that article in AltPress? they admitted to free basing herion and smoking crack haha.

[STNRecords]

For some musicians drugs are a part of their creative process. Personally, I could carel ess whether they decide to do drugs. The only issue that I find with this is when the drugs take over and destroy lives. Often times taking lives and their creative minds before their time.

[FASSWcore]

this post is depressing, but needed

[shtjames]

drugs made me fuck my dog

[snowtires]

drugs made me fuck my dog

there it is right there, the most compelling anti-drug argument i've ever seen. drugs made this dude fuck a dog.

[Veritas11]

I think that it ruins the live show when bands are high or drunk while performing. I don't care that they do it but they should do it after. And as long as no one pushes drugs or alcohol on me I can get along with that person. I don't smoke or drink and nearly everyone I know drinks or smokes but that doesn't mean I cant be friends with them. THey just like to have their fun without me. And it suck to see them all high or drunk, but you have to realize it is their choice and you can only hope that they dont take it to far. Also I think that it is sad to see kids that are like 15 or younger doing drugs. I know a ten year old who started smoking because his brother smokes. It's really disheartening. Older people are somewhat ignorant of the kind of influence that they spread sometimes.

[golfchick]

It all comes down to personal choices.

You can like a band because they do drugs. You can hate a band because they do drugs.

They won't change their lifestyles for you unless they actually want to change their lifestyles for themselves.

[Pat Marquez]

I think that it ruins the live show when bands are high or drunk while performing. I don't care that they do it but they should do it after. And as long as no one pushes drugs or alcohol on me I can get along with that person. I don't smoke or drink and nearly everyone I know drinks or smokes but that doesn't mean I cant be friends with them. THey just like to have their fun without me. And it suck to see them all high or drunk, but you have to realize it is their choice and you can only hope that they dont take it to far. Also I think that it is sad to see kids that are like 15 or younger doing drugs. I know a ten year old who started smoking because his brother smokes. It's really disheartening. Older people are somewhat ignorant of the kind of influence that they spread sometimes.
i'm sure a lot of bands you have seen have been on something and you had no idea.....

[snowtires]

i'm sure a lot of bands you have seen have been on something and you had no idea.....

i personally don't drink or do drugs, but the guys in my band do. we have a strict two-beer policy before shows. them getting high really doesn't affect their playing at all, but being drunk is a whole new ball game. there's a reason why there are sobriety checkpoints for cars: drunk people can't function properly.

the only band i've even seen play live and completely drunk that kept their shit together was cky, and they BARELY kept it together. we opened for them a year or so ago and, from the time they got there until the time they played, their guitar player had drank a bottle and a half of jack. they were really, really sloppy.

bands owe it to the fans who paid good money to see them to not be drunk and stumbling all over themselves on stage.

[smokedsanity]

Ok...I know it's page 13 and very few, if any, people will see this but I wanted to say something. I am a smoker. Cigarettes, no drugs. Many of you (not all) seem to like to lump smokers together as a group of assholes who get a kick out of destroying their lungs and want to take non-smokers down with them. Personally, I smoke outdoors and try to only do it when I am walking in order to keep from having a build up of smoke in one area. If I pass someone, I'll hold it in or turn my head the opposite direction to exhale. I never stand right outside a doorway. I don't even flick the butts when I am finished. I put the end out and hold onto the butt until I find the nearest trash can. I understand that many people hate smoke and cigarettes, I used to be one of those people actually. I am currently in the process of trying to quit but I just wanted to make it known that smokers are not lesser people. There are many assholes that smoke but there are also many assholes who do not smoke.

One more note. I saw someone say something about younger kids doing something because they see an older sibling or other figure that they look up to doing the same thing. I found out that my little brother had smoked some (due to his friends that smoked but still) and had a sit-down with him. He doesn't do that anymore. I would not want him to ruin his health because I am. My point is...the artists and musicians and people can do what they please within limits. I'd prefer that people didn't do drugs (especially the harder one) or such things (even smoke cigarettes, I know that I'm a walking contradiction). BUT if they are going to do such things, it is their body and their life. If they keep it to themselves, then it is not my place to preach. With that said, none of them should broadcast in any way that they so anything of the sort. Whether they like it or not, they are looked up to by younger kids. WITH STATUS AND NOTORIETY COMES RESPONSIBILITY.

[Rufio21]

More lately then ever I have heard kids talking about bands and drugs. For the most part I never believe any of the stories just because it is usually a long the lines of this "my friend totally saw him do this or that." I guess people tend to jump to conclusions to quickly, but it's very possible that they are telling the truth. It doesn't bother me when I hear about bands doing drugs, but it seems to bug a lot of people. What is your opinion on the matter?

I say that it is their life and I am not one to tell them that what they do is wrong.

I do some drugs and listen to a lot of music that is heavily influenced by drugs.. I dont see a problem. There would be no Pelican, Isis, Neurosis, Red Sparrows, Quasimoto, Pink Floyd, Zepplin... etc without drugs. I dont know what I would do without some of those bands. For music that has more depth than just the sound ie.. MCR, FOB, Hawthorne Heights.. I think being on drugs brings it to a different level.. just my opinion though.

I do have to say that nobody should be addicted to heroin though. One drug I will never do.

[thebestkylever]

doesn't anyone remember the part of class where the sweetass cop came in with his sweetass gun to teach some fuckin d.a.r.e? drugs are bad, end of story. seriously people, this was covered a long time ago...fuck.

[Rufio21]

I think that it ruins the live show when bands are high or drunk while performing. I don't care that they do it but they should do it after. And as long as no one pushes drugs or alcohol on me I can get along with that person. I don't smoke or drink and nearly everyone I know drinks or smokes but that doesn't mean I cant be friends with them. THey just like to have their fun without me. And it suck to see them all high or drunk, but you have to realize it is their choice and you can only hope that they dont take it to far. Also I think that it is sad to see kids that are like 15 or younger doing drugs. I know a ten year old who started smoking because his brother smokes. It's really disheartening. Older people are somewhat ignorant of the kind of influence that they spread sometimes.

drunk maybe, not high. You can function perfectly fine when your stoned. If you are piss drunk on the other hand....ehh not so much.

[lyunya]

who are we to tell what other people can and cannot do with their lives? none of us are god.

[piaffeprncess98]

it doesn't bother me all that much ... some of the best bands are not the cleanest of people. i listen to to music for the music and not necessarily the people behind it. although it is sort of dissapointing to idolize and look up to a musician and find out they don't have the greatest morals. it won't change my opinion on a band though. i don't think many fans realize how many bands out there DO use drugs though ....
I agree with you. When I was 15, I was kind of dissapointed when I was able to go meet the All American Rejects and the guard told me and my friend not to knock on the door or they would think we were the cops narcing them out.... Now I don't really care, unless it effects their performance on stage. When I saw AAR last night I was suspicious, Tyson is SO weird...maybe he's just always that way and not really high.

[satanisanerd]

true till death
yep.

[satanisanerd]

[quote=Pat Marquez]all these legalized ADD / ADHD / Anti Depressant Meds fuck you up.. they screw with your head so much.

I mean.. I'm sure in some cases they really do help, but I just don't see the use for them.[/quote

Mental Illness is nothing to laugh about or disregard as some make believe condition. People worldwide are suffering from mental illness the same as those who may have cancer, aids, any number of medical conditions. Mental Illness is treatable with prescription drugs and they can make life easier for some to live. I wouldn't show disrespect man to those out there who are literally suffering, maybe even some on this board.

[starcrossdlovex]

it disappoints me when I find out that bands I like & musicians I respect & look up to do drugs.
It's just a huge letdown.
it doesn't suddenly change my musical tastes & make me not like the band anymore, but it definitely lowers my opinion on the guys & the amount of respect I have for them.
Sadly, alot of people do now, so it's disappointing.

[snowtires]

I do some drugs and listen to a lot of music that is heavily influenced by drugs.. I dont see a problem. There would be no Pelican, Isis, Neurosis, Red Sparrows, Quasimoto, Pink Floyd, Zepplin... etc without drugs. I dont know what I would do without some of those bands. For music that has more depth than just the sound ie.. MCR, FOB, Hawthorne Heights.. I think being on drugs brings it to a different level.. just my opinion though.

I do have to say that nobody should be addicted to heroin though. One drug I will never do.

that explains a lot, actually. i don't do drugs and i think those bands suck, hard. zeppelin's not something i listen to all the time but they've got some good tunes, so i'll let them slide. even so, that post just backs up my theory that you'd have to be on drugs to like floyd.

[zooyork96]

heroin is so passe

[theusedcap]

I can honestly say that I know of several bands (both still together and broken up) that do drugs. Mostly smoke pot though some have been known to do more. But smoking wise I know of about 6 or 7 bands that you might not expect who smoke weed. I'm not dropping names because if a label were to see this people could get fucked big time but its not uncommon to find bands that smoke weed or whatever. I mean you can usually ask them and they'll tell you, if you have that big o a problem like what can they do? But I really don't think its that big of a deal and its not suprising to find a band or member smoking.


Really, get over it. Its their decision. And its not hurting you. It might actually help them concieve these ideas that make the music you all love.



And also, do you wonder why bands want to tour through denver?

[theusedcap]

who are we to tell what other people can and cannot do with their lives? none of us are god.

Very, very well said.

[theusedcap]

[quote=Pat Marquez]all these legalized ADD / ADHD / Anti Depressant Meds fuck you up.. they screw with your head so much.

I mean.. I'm sure in some cases they really do help, but I just don't see the use for them.[/quote

Mental Illness is nothing to laugh about or disregard as some make believe condition. People worldwide are suffering from mental illness the same as those who may have cancer, aids, any number of medical conditions. Mental Illness is treatable with prescription drugs and they can make life easier for some to live. I wouldn't show disrespect man to those out there who are literally suffering, maybe even some on this board.

Okay, I have adhd. The real kind, not that shit where the doctors say you havet hat when they can't figure out what else is wrong with you. A lack of a chemical made in my brain that these fucking prescription pills are supposed to help. Those meds, do jack shit. I have pretty much been on every one and one point or another in my life. Those meds have sideeffects, ie. Depression, insomnia, etc. they are basically sweettarts that fuck with your body. Taking pills like that is stupid and nothing good comes out of it.

That being said. Add and adhd have turned into a fucking joke. They are the 'conditions' that doctors prescribe when they don't know what else to do. more then half of the people with this 'condition' don't have anything wrong with them. Doctors are slacking these days.

Pat is right in saying these meds ars stupid. Mix them with alchol and you can make death. They don't help the ones who are supposed to be helped and they kill others. Great job doc.

[pretty_in_punk3]

it bugs me...mostly because drugs are just harmful to your body and in the past bands have broken up because some of their members couldn't control their drug/alcohol intake and had issues and all....

xxxstraightedgexxx is the way to be

[bung]

if you use the drugs they are fine. it's the other way around where the problem begins. some drugs aren't even really that bad for you, like mushrooms. mmmm.. i want some mushrooms.

plus some of the best music is written with the assistance of drugs.


It is their choice..
But I think drugs are lame.

haha everyone i know that does them gets their mushrooms from mankato.

[farfromsafe]

This is an awesome thread and I loved reading every post!

I still stand by my first post, however.

I don't understand how anyone can put down someone who uses a drug. There's a difference between use and abuse. Just because you choose not to doesn't make you better then someone else.

The abuse is where you get problems. Or maybe somehting like heroin, I have never done any extreme drug so I can't truely say how it could effect one. But what about drugs people use for recreation. They aren't hurting anyone. They enjoy it, leave them alone.

And steroids. They should never have been made illegal. The one HBO special with Bryant Gumbal (spelling?) opened my eyes and I did a lot of research on the topic. My friend's uncle is 63, and the guy looks in better shape then most people in their 20's , and he has been on steroids for about 25 years, and all his blood work looks perfectly normal too. I hate how the government decides it's bad, with no basis or study (did you know the FDA opposed making them illegal??). I know someone who used a substance called IGF-1, a amino peptide, to accelerate their muscle recovery after surgory and the doctors were astounded.

Out modern world is built on drugs. Everyone has been on them with a doctors assitance. I don't see why someone gets the power to differentiate between what drug is illegal and what is legal. Its a bunch of crap. I can go buy caffeine tabs and pop them and be wired for a couple hours, its a CNS stim. Thats legal. I can go buy some bacardi 151, pop 3 Benadryl and drink the night away. I dont understand.....

And people who say drugs are harmful, what do you want to do, make everything that harms you illegal too? Those assholes eating mcdonalds and KFC are in harm with their high lipid values and clogged arteries, do you want to add that to something illegal (which is what i'm afraid is going to happen , like that junk food tax. BS).

You elicit pleasure from that greasy big mac. Your body makes your brain enjoy it, but its harming your body. The same could be said of some drugs.

What if a band broke up because the singer had a heart attack from stuffing his face with junk food, are you going to say that bands who don't eat healthy are bands you don't look up to? a funny point i know, but i was liking it haha. Everything is harmful if you use too much of it. Everything in moderation.

I know some of the straighedge kids can't understand, and I completely respect them for what they do. I think its great if you don't drink or do drugs, but I still don't put someone down if they do. As long as they do it without me having to deal with any of the conseqences.

[MontysFC]

apperntly one of the members from the mars volta shot up rat poison ... sick

[MESTUPSH0W0FF]

it is usually a long the lines of this "my friend totally saw him do this or that." I guess people tend to jump to conclusions to quickly

So, you're talking about Fall Out Boy, right?

[OneBirdOneStone]

:thumbsup:

amen