Dear New York Yankees,

[CallMeChief]

I read this article off of a link on MLB.com and it worried me greatly. It talked about how it was a distinct possibility that you were going to get Brian Giles in order to trade Sheffield, who may not be a fantastic fielder but has been one of the very few consistent hitters you have. Furthermore, it went on to say that you were looking to get aaron rowand or craig monroe, which, whatever, but that you would package some combination of carl pavano, aaron small, and shawn chacon to get one of them. Now, Pavano said he doesnt want to be a yankee anymore, which is fine, but after shawn chacon and aaron small were two bright spots in one of the most dismal rotations in the league, i love how you reward them by making them the only players you're willing to get rid of for presumably subpar and certainly unproven center fielders that will give you nothing more solid than bernie williams. if this is true, congratulations, we're screwed for the rest of the season.

Sincerely,
a pissed off fan.

[hockey0001]

Out of Chacon, Small, and Pavano, Chacon is the only one who i would want to keep. Pavano is decent but nothing great. Small is a career minor leaguer who got lucky this year. Look at his numbers, they arent good. Chacon on the other hand showed good stuff and the potential to be good again next year,

[Spicoli hey bud]

Pavano wants out

[weezer182]

i dont know if i would keep chacon. i think he had the season of his life in ny but will be just ok if that next year

[ActorInThisPlay]

boo Yankees!!!

[NetNerdsRevenge]

If they can dump Sheffield and sign Giles, thats a steal. They compare in numbers and Giles would be cheaper.

[CallMeChief]

giles is one of those guys that has been chronically overrated and i think he had a few good years on the 90's that made him a name that people know, but they dont really follow him to know that he's not as good as he seems to be. i think he'd bomb in a yankee uniform. But with chacon and small, they're the kind of players that no one would give alot for even after last season, so i dont see any harm in just keeping them long enough to see how theyd do. But trading one of them for aaron rowand or craig monroe, with little to NO pitching talent on the market that seems plausible for the yankees to get? not a good idea. id sooner bank on someone that has some experience pitching at yankee stadium.

[NetNerdsRevenge]

Giles has posted a .413 career OBP and a .542 slg. Thats in Petco which kills hitters.

http://www.baseball-reference.com/g/gilesbr02.shtml

He and Sheffield are very similar in numbers. Sheff is older and Giles is cheaper.

[CallMeChief]

Giles has posted a .413 career OBP and a .542 slg. Thats in Petco which kills hitters.

http://www.baseball-reference.com/g/gilesbr02.shtml

He and Sheffield are very similar in numbers. Sheff is older and Giles is cheaper.

i just think giles is gunna bomb in NY. i actually DO like the idea of getting rowand or monroe, because it seems to be the unsung heroes that always keep the yankees afloat, and the ones they covet for an entire season crash and burn and drag the team down (i think im still sore about kevin brown, and in my opinion i can pin every yankee problem to the fact that kevin brown ruined the yankees) i just dont trust giles enough. however, if what i read was true and they get giles and go to trade sheffield, id be interested in seeing what kind of deals get on the table for him.

[NetNerdsRevenge]

If you dont want Giles, I'll take him. The red sox could use him.

[CallMeChief]

If you dont want Giles, I'll take him. The red sox could use him.

it's a deal. the red sox are way better in the sense that when they hype a player, the player turns out to be comparable to how excited they were to get him. for once i want the yankees to have a player that is very young and can build up a reputation in NY (the way matsui seems to be doing, and the way Jeter did) im not even saying as good as jeter, but thats why i actually like rowand. i can see him working his way into the yankees line up and making a name for himself. giles will come in, yankees fans will be their fickle selves, talk about how terrible bernie had always been and what a waste he was (completely forgetting what he did in the past) and how giles is the savior at center field, and then when he ends up batting 8th everyone will be bitching about trading giles.

[jaimej]

Small definitely goy lucky, but if we can get a decent price/player for him I say do it. There's no way we should get rid of Sheff, not now anyway.

[xearlynovemberx]

we're missing the most important thing
the mets are going to get billy wagner

[marrost]

boo Yankees!!!There's always gotta be one baby in a Yankees thread.

[selftitled85]

if the yanks trade shef ill be angry as fuck. if the yanks trade chacon or small there iwll be hell to pay.

[underthetalking]

I read this article off of a link on MLB.com and it worried me greatly. It talked about how it was a distinct possibility that you were going to get Brian Giles in order to trade Sheffield, who may not be a fantastic fielder but has been one of the very few consistent hitters you have. Furthermore, it went on to say that you were looking to get aaron rowand or craig monroe, which, whatever, but that you would package some combination of carl pavano, aaron small, and shawn chacon to get one of them. Now, Pavano said he doesnt want to be a yankee anymore, which is fine, but after shawn chacon and aaron small were two bright spots in one of the most dismal rotations in the league, i love how you reward them by making them the only players you're willing to get rid of for presumably subpar and certainly unproven center fielders that will give you nothing more solid than bernie williams. if this is true, congratulations, we're screwed for the rest of the season.

Sincerely,
a pissed off fan.


Well put...

[underthetalking]

it's a deal. the red sox are way better in the sense that when they hype a player, the player turns out to be comparable to how excited they were to get him. for once i want the yankees to have a player that is very young and can build up a reputation in NY (the way matsui seems to be doing, and the way Jeter did) im not even saying as good as jeter, but thats why i actually like rowand. i can see him working his way into the yankees line up and making a name for himself. giles will come in, yankees fans will be their fickle selves, talk about how terrible bernie had always been and what a waste he was (completely forgetting what he did in the past) and how giles is the savior at center field, and then when he ends up batting 8th everyone will be bitching about trading giles.

The beauty that it is to be a Yankees fan.

[selftitled85]

it's a deal. the red sox are way better in the sense that when they hype a player, the player turns out to be comparable to how excited they were to get him. for once i want the yankees to have a player that is very young and can build up a reputation in NY (the way matsui seems to be doing, and the way Jeter did) im not even saying as good as jeter, but thats why i actually like rowand. i can see him working his way into the yankees line up and making a name for himself. giles will come in, yankees fans will be their fickle selves, talk about how terrible bernie had always been and what a waste he was (completely forgetting what he did in the past) and how giles is the savior at center field, and then when he ends up batting 8th everyone will be bitching about trading giles.


wow your dumb. people bummed about bernies arm but no one ever forgets everything he did for the team. hence why there was a huge outcry when the evil leader said bernie would not be coming back. i loved bernie and so did almost all the fans.

[NetNerdsRevenge]

What are your reasons to not trade an injury prone OF when you can get someone for less money and same amount of production?

[NetNerdsRevenge]

The beauty that it is to be a Yankees fan.
You should become a Red Sox fan.....it makes life soooooo much easier!

[getupkid53]

The yankees are going to dump their entire minor league roster, release every mid level player,sign every sub par athlete who had a stellar year last year to a long term multimillion dollar contract (all of which will almost immediately return to pre-star form), and faulter yet again. All while continuing to have the highest payroll in baseball.

[CallMeChief]

wow your dumb. people bummed about bernies arm but no one ever forgets everything he did for the team. hence why there was a huge outcry when the evil leader said bernie would not be coming back. i loved bernie and so did almost all the fans.

during the ENTIRE second half of the season just about every one at my school and in my area bitched and moaned about what a waste bernie was in the outfield. i was one of the VERY few who were willing to back him up. just about everyone i talked to acted like it was bernies first year as a yankee and he was bombing, so i assure you i'm not dumb.

[CallMeChief]

What are your reasons to not trade an injury prone OF when you can get someone for less money and same amount of production?

because i dont think he'll give the same amount of production. once again, as with every yankee newcomer, there are pictures all over the place at the press conference with their new jersey and everyone's all smiles, then they get to NY and are a waste, and a waste to the extent that you cant even trade them anymore because they just have nothing productive about them. i like giles, i just dont think he'll fit in. in all honesty i would love to see him come and help the team out, but i dont think he'll be as much of a help as everyone thinks. i hear really uninformed baseball fans talking about how giles is "exactly what the yankees need to get back to the WS" which is far from the truth.

[NetNerdsRevenge]

I was actually talking to selftitled. I should of quoted him....

[YouMadeTheScene]

There are some rumors going around that the yankees have started to go in motion in returning to a small ball type style of play. They are rumored to be looking into Juan Pierre, and aren't making any big moves possibly to keep with their youngsters.

If I am the yankees I am making the following moves.

Marlins are in a fire sale state obviously that means Juan Pierre is up for the taking. I'm not sure what they could give up but if they need to give up a prospect for him here I'd probably do it.

Sign Frank Thomas. I know it sounds crazy but he'd be a great one year deal guy and he won't be looking for much money. He still hit a good amount of homers in limited at bats last year.

Bengie Molina. Bengie Molina. Bengie Molina.

Trade Posada for prospects. Don't think he is untradeable and no one wants him because catchers are hard to come by and he is still seen as a top tier catcher in the MLB, but I think he has run his course in the Bronx.

Pick up John Olerud. Did well on the Red Sox. Liked playing for the Yankees. Why not make him your first basemen and split time with Big Hurt.

[NetNerdsRevenge]

If the yankees want to move toward small ball (stupid idea), why would they sign frank Thomas, Molina, and Olerud? That's hardly small ball.

[YouMadeTheScene]

If the yankees want to move toward small ball (stupid idea), why would they sign frank Thomas, Molina, and Olerud? That's hardly small ball.

Small ball has nothing to do with size. Small ball is hitting for average and speed for the most part. Molina or Hernandez and Olerud are average guys. Thomas would be a bat off the bench and part time 1B. Not to mention as I said Juan Pierre who is of course probably the best small ball guy in the leauge in my eyes.

[NetNerdsRevenge]

Well one, small ball is the most inefficient way to play baseball and any type of baseball involves averages. Small ball is also about moving runners, trading outs for runs/bases, and speed (which you said), not just batting average. Olerud, Molina and Thomas are not these guys. Molina just isnt that good of an offensive catcher, and when playing small ball, is useless. He is way too slow for small ball. Olerud has a .398 career OBP. You do not stick someone with this ability in a small ball offense. And once he gets on base, what are you going to do? Bunt him over? Give up an out to have a slow guy on second who cant score on a single anyway? Thomas has an OBP above .400 and slg around .570, career. This is also not the kind of person you bind with small ball.

Also, where did I ever mention size as a factor?

[YouMadeTheScene]

Well one, small ball is the most inefficient way to play baseball and any type of baseball involves averages. Small ball is also about moving runners, trading outs for runs/bases, and speed (which you said), not just batting average. Olerud, Molina and Thomas are not these guys. Molina just isnt that good of an offensive catcher, and when playing small ball, is useless. He is way too slow for small ball. Olerud has a .398 career OBP. You do not stick someone with this ability in a small ball offense. And once he gets on base, what are you going to do? Bunt him over? Give up an out to have a slow guy on second who cant score on a single anyway? Thomas has an OBP above .400 and slg around .570, career. This is also not the kind of person you bind with small ball.

Also, where did I ever mention size as a factor?


i thought you were referring to size. and i wasn't saying these guys would necessarily help small ball I just think this would be the best moves for them. You aren't going to get great speed catchers and first basemen. First base is pretty low in players this off season and Olerud, Giambi and Thomas would be a good three headed monster at first base with Thomas as an off the bench guy. Molina or Hernandez is your best option at catcher I think. Hernandez may be a better fit with more thought.

Again I wasn't saying this is their best plan for small ball, just their best plan in general.

[NetNerdsRevenge]

Olerud will be a great pick up for anyone. He cannot play everyday because of age, but he offers great d in late innings and a good pinch hitter of the bench. If you sign Thomas, you have to play him. He is injury prone and no good on the bench, its a waste of talent. If im the yankees, I dont think about signing him. They dont need any more old dudes with injury problems on the team.

[YouMadeTheScene]

Olerud will be a great pick up for anyone. He cannot play everyday because of age, but he offers great d in late innings and a good pinch hitter of the bench. If you sign Thomas, you have to play him. He is injury prone and no good on the bench, its a waste of talent. If im the yankees, I dont think about signing him. They dont need any more old dudes with injury problems on the team.

That's why you platoon them. Thomas is injury prone which is why he is a good bench guy. He can stay healthy not playing every day and I think he knows that he probably won't be starting anywhere right now. He can still hit for power when he is healthy and still can draw walks. Coming off the bench or spot starting for probably rather cheap and in a one year deal he can't hurt you.

[NetNerdsRevenge]

If youre going to platoon dont do it with two old guys.

Using Giambi on first and Olerud for late inning subs, and a start a week seems like a better idea, at least to me.

[YouMadeTheScene]

If youre going to platoon dont do it with two old guys.

Using Giambi on first and Olerud for late inning subs, and a start a week seems like a better idea, at least to me.

They did it last year and it wasn't terrible and Olerud I think is still a step ahead of Tino. I think there isn't much else you could do though. I don't think Giambi should be starting everyday. Hell id rather him be a permanent DH.

[YouMadeTheScene]

I'm just looking forward to 2007 when they sign Dontrelle Willis.:thumbsup:

[underthetalking]

Small ball has nothing to do with size. Small ball is hitting for average and speed for the most part. Molina or Hernandez and Olerud are average guys. Thomas would be a bat off the bench and part time 1B. Not to mention as I said Juan Pierre who is of course probably the best small ball guy in the leauge in my eyes.

Ichiro

[underthetalking]

You should become a Red Sox fan.....it makes life soooooo much easier!

Then I would have to deal with Manny's bullshit every year.

[NetNerdsRevenge]

Tino is a much better platoon partner than Thomas would be. He offers defense and a nice complementary bat.

If you want Giambi at DH, platoon Olerud with, say, Nick Johnson. Not a lot of pop, but a good OBP guy and a nice .800 ops.

[NetNerdsRevenge]

Ichiro
ha, stop making jokes.

[YouMadeTheScene]

Tino is a much better platoon partner than Thomas would be. He offers defense and a nice complementary bat.

If you want Giambi at DH, platoon Olerud with, say, Nick Johnson. Not a lot of pop, but a good OBP guy and a nice .800 ops.

I don't think you are getting me. I want Thomas as a bench guy. Starter once in a blue moon. I'd take Olerud and Giambi as a platoon. I think Johnson could work too, but I don't see them bringing him back.

[YouMadeTheScene]

Ichiro

Don't count asians.

[NetNerdsRevenge]

Then I would have to deal with Manny's bullshit every year.
yes, exactly the point.

[NetNerdsRevenge]

I don't think you are getting me. I want Thomas as a bench guy. Starter once in a blue moon. I'd take Olerud and Giambi as a platoon. I think Johnson could work too, but I don't see them bringing him back.
and im telling you, Thomas is a waste on the bench. Why pay someone with his ability to sit the bench? He doesnt fit with the yankees. He will stay with Chicago and most likely DH.

[YouMadeTheScene]

and im telling you, Thomas is a waste on the bench. Why pay someone with his ability to sit the bench? He doesnt fit with the yankees. He will stay with Chicago and most likely DH.

Because I don't think that he is going to be looking from much money at all. I think he'll be asking for maybe a 2 mill 1 year deal to be honest.

[NetNerdsRevenge]

He wont be going to Ny for that Money. Itl be more, but if they can...maybe. Still, Chicago will probably exercise their team option and keep him. He will end his career in Chicago like he should.

agree to disagree?

[YouMadeTheScene]

Damn it I was about to say Agree to disagree...But yes Agree to Disagree.


the bottom line is Yanks will still be better then the sox;)

[NetNerdsRevenge]

We have Beckett. You have a sucky randy johnson.

we win.

[YouMadeTheScene]

We have Beckett. You have a sucky randy johnson.

we win.

Him and his wussy little blisters. TAKE IT LIKE A MAN!!!

You think they are gonna give him Rocket's 21?

[xearlynovemberx]

Then I would have to deal with Manny's bullshit every year.

dont worry hell be a met soon enough

i mean the mets are prob the only 1s willing to take on his enormus contract while they would have 2 give up lastings(which i dont want to happen) pettit and another 2 players with the addition of manny and hopefully billy wagner ramon castro or furcal mets are sure contenders
im willing 2 bet on that

[NetNerdsRevenge]

Him and his wussy little blisters. TAKE IT LIKE A MAN!!!

You think they are gonna give him Rocket's 21?
Well, Clemens fits the criteria (excpet retiring with the sox, which they relax on) for his number to be retired. However, he is still playing and is not yet in the HOF, so I see no problem. If they decide to retire the rockets number while Beckett is still with the Sox, he could either change numbers or keep it like Mo.

People seem to think Clemens is still pitching to gain wins so he can distance himself from Boston. Half his wins and career were in Boston and if he was to retire now, he would probably (maybe not with his two seasons in Houston) go in as a Red Sox, and he doesn't want that. haha!

[NetNerdsRevenge]

Him and his wussy little blisters. TAKE IT LIKE A MAN!!!
Those Blisters pitched a 5 hit shut out on three days rest in game 6, 2003.

[Jesse2]

the bottom line is Yanks will still be better then the sox;)

Of course I hope so, but it seems a litttttle early to be calling the 2006 season.

[getupkid53]

Sign Frank Thomas. I know it sounds crazy but he'd be a great one year deal guy and he won't be looking for much money. He still hit a good amount of homers in limited at bats last year.

Frank Thomas will break his ankle just trying to sign the contract. Then he will collect his money. Come back for two weeks, hit 4 homers while DH'ing, then break his ankle again walking back to the dugout after he's called out on strikes. He's a solid 50 at bats a year.