tons of early 360 systems crashing like mad?

[Scott Weber]

http://www.xbox-scene.com/xbox1data/sep/EEFkZkkkyEHasmrPqu.php

another digg. don't know how much validity there is to it, but there certainly seems to be a lot of reports.

[last light]

that sucks, no problems with mine yet.

[actionandaction]

I'm so torn between wanting to buy this system and not.

[A picasso blue]

i'm either going to get PS3 or Revolution when the time comes. i've never owned a Sony system though

[i like guitars]

that sucks, no problems with mine yet.

emphasis on the yet.

[last light]

emphasis on the yet.

haha ya

[clevername]

From what I've heard Madden is the Xbox killer. Apparently something in it makes the system crash and then for the whole system to be rebuilt. Read it on a couple of message boards from people having the problem. Don't take it as fact, but this is what I've heard so far.

[brutusUbastard]

http://cgi.ebay.com/XBOX-360-IN-HAND-AND-READY-TO-SHIP_W0QQitemZ8235328945QQcategoryZ 62054QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

haha

[last light]

http://cgi.ebay.com/XBOX-360-IN-HAND-AND-READY-TO-SHIP_W0QQitemZ8235328945QQcategoryZ 62054QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

haha

dear god.

[Mitch]

Most systems do have problems at launch. The 360 seems to be getting reports of some problems, but the majority of people on message boards it seems have working ones.

I ordered mine from an offer Dell was having yesterday. (683 dollars but it comes with a whole bunch of crap I was going to buy anyway, except for Madden, which I'll probably sell because I hear the game sucks).

[SLADE775]

Paying 683 dollars for a 360 or anything related to it is just retarded.

[Mitch]

Paying 683 dollars for a 360 or anything related to it is just retarded.

Almost as retarded as you :)

Plus, the retail price of everything in the bundle, added up, equals 730 dollars. So basically I saved around 50 dollars.

[Lars]

http://cgi.ebay.com/XBOX-360-IN-HAND-AND-READY-TO-SHIP_W0QQitemZ8235328945QQcategoryZ 62054QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

haha
People are so stupid. More are going to be available week after week.

[SLADE775]

Almost as retarded as you :)

Plus, the retail price of everything in the bundle, added up equals 730 dollars. So basically, I saved around 50 dollars.

I wouldent pay 50$ for one.

Why do want one anyway?

[Mitch]

I wouldent pay 50$ for one.

Why do want one anyway?

I have nothing else to spend money on :)

I'm not EXTREMELY impressed with the 360 or anything, but I just want one. I'll prob. end up buying the Revolution when it comes out, too. And MAYBE the PS3.

[SLADE775]

I have nothing else to spend money on :)

I'm not EXTREMELY impressed with the 360 or anything, but I just want one. I'll prob. end up buying the Revolution when it comes out, too. And MAYBE the PS3.

I mean I just don't fucking get it!

Not to kick a dead horse but besides Ninja Gaiden 360.....which isen't even in the works yet, I can't see any reason to own one.

Even if you love FPS's this just doesn't make sense to me.

But If you have spare change......you should donate it to charity instead.

PS3 will kill everything.

[Saves The Night]

http://cgi.ebay.com/XBOX-360-IN-HAND-AND-READY-TO-SHIP_W0QQitemZ8235328945QQcategoryZ 62054QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

hahaits funny and ive already seen this happen in my area. Some dude bought a couple at launch and yesterday while i was in EB sold it to someone else for a $1250. He auctioned it off outside the store, oh and this was the core system too. Just the system and the wired controller. Plus some dude got arrested at my local walmart for starting a fight over not getting one. Oh how I love how the holidays bring out the best in people.

[Darren McLeod]

That's kind of funny that they are crashing. Sucks for the kids.

[getupkid53]

Has anyone else noticed all the ebay bidders that are winning these have 0 feedback. I think that is hinting at something and these people never see a dime.

[Darren McLeod]

Has anyone else noticed all the ebay bidders that are winning these have 0 feedback. I think that is hinting at something and these people never see a dime.
A lot of people don't use eBay until they see something they need. Most of these people just probably made accounts for this reason, because their bratty kids are crying over 360s.

[brutusUbastard]

its funny and ive already seen this happen in my area. Some dude bought a couple at launch and yesterday while i was in EB sold it to someone else for a $1250. He auctioned it off outside the store, oh and this was the core system too. Just the system and the wired controller. Plus some dude got arrested at my local walmart for starting a fight over not getting one. Oh how I love how the holidays bring out the best in people.

thats funny about the fight. if i had had the money or a credit card i would have gotten one to auction off.

and then turned around and bought a cheap hdtv and one.

[Brownpants06]

a buddy who works at future shop in my area said they only had 17 360s at release, and are only getting 13 more before christmas. good luck getting one around me :/

[ChiodosBros]

I'm a IGN Insider and spend alot of time on their members only message boards and there are a lot of people complaining about their 360's burning and scratching disc's and freezing and not booting back up. There is also a dude on there that opened his brand new copy of PGR 3 and had a second hole right in the disc. He had pictures and everything. I would definitely wait til they get the problems sorted out...that or just wait for the PS3.

[mogwaifearsatan]

I'm a IGN Insider and spend alot of time on their members only message boards and there are a lot of people complaining about their 360's burning and scratching disc's and freezing and not booting back up. There is also a dude on there that opened his brand new copy of PGR 3 and had a second hole right in the disc. He had pictures and everything. I would definitely wait til they get the problems sorted out...that or just wait for the PS3.

http://norcal3.com/owned/diver-owned.jpg

[Trainsaw]

I mean I just don't fucking get it!

Not to kick a dead horse but besides Ninja Gaiden 360.....which isen't even in the works yet, I can't see any reason to own one.

Even if you love FPS's this just doesn't make sense to me.

But If you have spare change......you should donate it to charity instead.

PS3 will kill everything.
Finally a decent answer from slade about ps3, but other than Ninja Gaiden, Star Wars Knights of the Old Replubic 3 would be insane

[ChiodosBros]

http://www.gameshout.com/news/112005/article1738.htm



Xbox 360 Recall Likely
Posted Nov 23, 2005, 2:39 PM ET


Xbox 360 unconfirmed rumors from customers are reporting Microsoft Xbox 360 defects. Some defects are flaky screens, crashes, and powering off for no reason during video game play. If the reports are true, then it's likely we'll see an Xbox 360 recall.
While the Microsoft Xbox 360 launch is reporting as a success from vendors and some retailers, some video gamers are reporting defects. So far, the reports are from unconfirmed rumors from Xbox 360 video gamers.
While most people feel that Microsoft mishandled the Xbox 360 launch, sending retailers in overdrive to meet rioted protests from gamers who didn't get a console on November 22nd, there are reports of defects. You have to remember that some of these gamers waited in line all day at retailers such as Wal-mart, Best Buy, and Circuit City only to be told, "We are sold out" within minutes after the 12 midnight sale. Best Buy however, opened their doors later in the morning hours and the Xbox 360 inventory was short lived.
Unconfirmed reports are telling us that some of the Xbox 360s
have defects. Some consoles have dead hard drives, screens are flaky, and some customers are reporting strange behaviors with their hard drives. Some customers are reporting of "scratching discs."
There are reports of bad gameplay, such as the Project Gothan Racing 3 video game. Apparently, it's crashing between tracks repeatedly. This could be the video game CD or the Xbox 360 unit. Another game was Perfect Dark Zero when the unit turned itself off for no reason.
Other customers are reporting crashes on the Xbox Live opening screen and during the startup. At this time, there isn't enough evidence from unconfirmed reports for Microsoft to announce a recall.
If these unconfirmed reports turn out to be true, then the Microsoft Xbox 360 just might be known as the worse planned launch ever in video game console history.

[niveK]

The headline for this on Fark was great. 'Xbox 360, much like Courtney Love, found to be very unstable, riddled with bugs, and available for $400'

I was at gamespot picking up Guitar Hero and they had a phone call from someone who's 360 wasnt working. The disc drive wasnt opening. Turns out there was tape on it from packing.

[Drew Beringer]

I mean I just don't fucking get it!

Not to kick a dead horse but besides Ninja Gaiden 360.....which isen't even in the works yet, I can't see any reason to own one.

Even if you love FPS's this just doesn't make sense to me.

But If you have spare change......you should donate it to charity instead.

PS3 will kill everything.

Haha, banned!

[ChiodosBros]

Haha, banned! Why was he banned?

[clevername]

Why was he banned?

Yeah, fer realz? I don't see why he would be banned...

[Slaytus]

the crashing xbox3650s are isolated and if u have problems u can call 18004myxbox and they will tell u whats wrong. Very few systems crash which usually is because of the position of the xbox360. Not to worry.
Im a xbox360 fan because unlike sony, Microsoft has alot to prove and not screw things up meaning they'll try harder then sony. Or atlleast thats my input. A recent interview by sony said they were issuing warnings saying this generation will not be easier because of the price of ps3,expensive development, and Xbox360.

[ChiodosBros]

the crashing xbox3650s are isolated and if u have problems u can call 18004myxbox and they will tell u whats wrong. Very few systems crash which usually is because of the position of the xbox360. Not to worry.
Im a xbox360 fan because unlike sony, Microsoft has alot to prove and not screw things up meaning they'll try harder then sony. Or atlleast thats my input. A recent interview by sony said they were issuing warnings saying this generation will not be easier because of the price of ps3,expensive development, and Xbox360.

If by "isolated" you mean in the thousands, then yeah, there are isolated problems.

[Scott Weber]

If by "isolated" you mean in the thousands, then yeah, there are isolated problems.
lol, don't even pay attention to this kid, he sees things his way and that's it. we've been talking to him over and over again but he never concedes anything.

[believethehyph]

Those who got a 360, whats it like? Pros and cons?

[lackofcolour 13]

played it at gamestop yesterday and laughed.

[Scott Weber]

played it at gamestop yesterday and laughed.
yeah I played it at best buy. project gotham and call of duty 2. i was impressed, but basically it just looks like a decent computer game being played on a powerful system. Doom 3 or Half-Life 2 looks far better than anything on the 360, and Day of Defeat: Source for PC is like Call of Duty, but with better weapons, gameplay, and graphics.

[Saves The Night]

If by "isolated" you mean in the thousands, then yeah, there are isolated problems.im not sure its really that big...I mean im sure there are some but everyone who recieved one from my local EB and gamestop have yet to return any. Plus according to some, moving the system to a place thats better for ventilation most problems were fixed.

[Scott Weber]

im not sure its really that big...I mean im sure there are some but everyone who recieved one from my local EB and gamestop have yet to return any. Plus according to some, moving the system to a place thats better for ventilation most problems were fixed.
It's more than a few, I've been reading the past couple weeks that it's major problem...the main fix that I've seen is elavating the power supply so that it has adequete ventilation. now you just have to worry about where you can set the power supply without it crushing anything, considering it weighs like 10 pounds. Haha.

[Saves The Night]

It's more than a few, I've been reading the past couple weeks that it's major problem...the main fix that I've seen is elavating the power supply so that it has adequete ventilation. now you just have to worry about where you can set the power supply without it crushing anything, considering it weighs like 10 pounds. Haha.very true, that thing is as big as the DS and weighs 10x as much

[Darren McLeod]

Good call on the power supply, Scott... hahaa.

[seans seatbelt]

Slade, I'll direct you to www.gamefaqs.com so you can troll the xbox board there; that's all you do here anyway.

[Slaytus]

"The vast majority of Xbox 360 owners are having an outstanding experience with their new systems," a spokesperson tells Next Generation. "We’ve received a few isolated reports of consoles not working as expected. The call rate is well below what you’d expect for a consumer electronics product of this complexity. As a percentage of the total number of Xbox 360 systems already in the field, these calls represent a very small fraction. That being said, there is no systemic issue with Xbox 360. Each incident is unique and these customer inquires are being handled on a case-by-case basis. Ultimately, customer satisfaction is our highest priority. Anybody having an issue with their Xbox 360 console should call 1-800-4 MY XBOX immediately so that we can help, or visit http://www.Xbox.com/Support (http://www.xbox365.com/www.xbox.com/support)"


Sony admitting trouble

"The risks are surprisingly higher than people think because unless they can replicate its [the PS2's] 70 percent dominant market position, things are going to be very difficult for them going forward."

Koichi Hariya, senior analyst at Mizuho Securities said, "Sony has to launch a new game machine every four, five or six years to maintain the game division's strength." Hariya-san added that PS3 will probably struggle to repeat the profitability of its predecessors.

Perhaps most worryingly for Sony, Hirokazu Hamamura, president of august Japanese games publication Famitsu added: "PS3 will do very well, but it's said that development costs will be high and it'll take longer to make games, so it's likely that it won't have a full line-up of games until the end of 2006 or the beginning of 2007."


so Scott stfu

[Scott Weber]

"The vast majority of Xbox 360 owners are having an outstanding experience with their new systems," a spokesperson tells Next Generation. "We’ve received a few isolated reports of consoles not working as expected. The call rate is well below what you’d expect for a consumer electronics product of this complexity. As a percentage of the total number of Xbox 360 systems already in the field, these calls represent a very small fraction. That being said, there is no systemic issue with Xbox 360. Each incident is unique and these customer inquires are being handled on a case-by-case basis. Ultimately, customer satisfaction is our highest priority. Anybody having an issue with their Xbox 360 console should call 1-800-4 MY XBOX immediately so that we can help, or visit http://www.Xbox.com/Support (http://www.xbox365.com/www.xbox.com/support)"


Sony admitting trouble

"The risks are surprisingly higher than people think because unless they can replicate its [the PS2's] 70 percent dominant market position, things are going to be very difficult for them going forward."

Koichi Hariya, senior analyst at Mizuho Securities said, "Sony has to launch a new game machine every four, five or six years to maintain the game division's strength." Hariya-san added that PS3 will probably struggle to repeat the profitability of its predecessors.

Perhaps most worryingly for Sony, Hirokazu Hamamura, president of august Japanese games publication Famitsu added: "PS3 will do very well, but it's said that development costs will be high and it'll take longer to make games, so it's likely that it won't have a full line-up of games until the end of 2006 or the beginning of 2007."


so Scott stfu

you dipshit. of course microsoft isn't going to admit there's problems. you're trusting a statement from MICROSOFT SPOKESMAN? This is a crucial time for them, if they were for one second acknowladge any HINT of troubles, their sales would be hurt very badly. My god, you're naive. I'd trust what I read on non-biased tech news websites, but that's just me. That's like asking Coke if it's better than Pepsi. what the fuck do you think it's going to say?

Of course PS3 isn't going to dominate like it has in the past - not initially. did you even read that article? Not with 2 other next-gen systems launching before it does. By the way, the PS3 isn't expected to hit US shelves until September/October, so why is that suprising that it won't have a full line-up until the end of 2006? That's completely reasonable. The 360 is nowhere close to having a "full line-up" right now, either...it'll take them several months.

[Slaytus]

Do you know why the systems were crashing? Because ventilation was blocked and if for some reason that didn't solve the problem, Microsoft is willing to send you a completely new one. I have had mine since launch and not once have I had a freeze up even when i was listening to music,playing callofduty2, and sending a game invite. And in other topics people were saying that sony would dominate with a price range around the xbox360. I was only showing people that Sony is admitting it will have a harder time.

[brutusUbastard]

you dipshit. of course microsoft isn't going to admit there's problems. you're trusting a statement from MICROSOFT SPOKESMAN? This is a crucial time for them, if they were for one second acknowladge any HINT of troubles, their sales would be hurt very badly. My god, you're naive. I'd trust what I read on non-biased tech news websites, but that's just me. That's like asking Coke if it's better than Pepsi. what the fuck do you think it's going to say?

Of course PS3 isn't going to dominate like it has in the past - not initially. did you even read that article? Not with 2 other next-gen systems launching before it does. By the way, the PS3 isn't expected to hit US shelves until September/October, so why is that suprising that it won't have a full line-up until the end of 2006? That's completely reasonable. The 360 is nowhere close to having a "full line-up" right now, either...it'll take them several months.

Good points.

But just like I don't believe the Microsoft spokesman, I don't really believe random people on the internet.

As far as I can tell, they are just reports/rumors. I'm sure the whole truth will come out wihtin a week or two.

I'm personally sticking with my PC and saving my money.

That is of course until Unreal Tournament 2007 comes out and I upgrade my PC to be able to behold the glory that is the Unreal 3 engine.

[Slaytus]

of course PCs will always be better then consoles, not many people argue with the mouse and keyboard but I can't afford to upgrade my PC as often as I would need to and I do very badly for Age of Empires 3.

[brutusUbastard]

of course PCs will always be better then consoles, not many people argue with the mouse and keyboard but I can't afford to upgrade my PC as often as I would need to and I do very badly for Age of Empires 3.

I think its an achievement a console (even if you do have to have HDTV) can look as good as a high end pc. especially since the full potential of the 360 hasn't been reached yet.

[Scott Weber]

Do you know why the systems were crashing? Because ventilation was blocked and if for some reason that didn't solve the problem, Microsoft is willing to send you a completely new one. I have had mine since launch and not once have I had a freeze up even when i was listening to music,playing callofduty2, and sending a game invite. And in other topics people were saying that sony would dominate with a price range around the xbox360. I was only showing people that Sony is admitting it will have a harder time.
who cares if microsoft sends you a new one? it's still a giant flaw with the system, and a major inconvinience for anybody that just bought a 360. Also, don't know if you heard, but the ventilation issue isn't the only reason the systems are crashing. The suggested fixes aren't working for everyone. The fact is dude, you just don't look anywhere else besides the US when it comes to your sony vs. xbox argument. it doesn't matter how much the ps3 costs, it doesn't matter when it launches, the fact remains that Microsoft has little to no presence in Japan, which is a larger market than the US. So when it comes to who's going to dominate the war, the question in my mind has already been answered based on historical data of the two companies. Besides. I've played the 360 now. Holy overrated - I even played it on an HD TV. My computer is not that powerful and yet I have seen better graphics and gameplay on it than i saw on the 360. It's barely even a next gen system.

[Scott Weber]

I think its an achievement a console (even if you do have to have HDTV) can look as good as a high end pc. especially since the full potential of the 360 hasn't been reached yet.
It can't. that's the point. I don't even have a high-end PC and games look better on it than they do on the 360.

[Slaytus]

Call of Duty 2 (xbox360) vs Call of duty 2 (pc) and the xbox360's better graphically. Very impressive indeed. i'm really just saying Brutus is that PCs will always look better. And Scott I am with the Xbox camp because Microsoft has alot more to prove and alot more work then Sony does. This means they cannot afford to release shitty products or do anything half assed. I'm not saying Sony is so comfortable with their lead they are lazy.I bought 3 Ps2s before the xbox. The first one wouldn't play PSONE games, the second wouldn't play ps2 games and the third my mom threw out because she thought it was a VCR :madfire:. If the suggested fix is because of ventilation being blocked its not a flaw. If the suggestions do not fix the problem but Microsoft is publically announcing it will replace the flawed systems at least it's something. Also the amount of bad systems is an isolated amount and Microsoft cannot be blamed for a manufacture's fault.

[brutusUbastard]

It can't. that's the point. I don't even have a high-end PC and games look better on it than they do on the 360.

using a mouse and keyboard makes PC games better and gives them more funcionality. I mean consoles could never have a ture Unreal Tournament experience. The game is just too fast paced and reguires to much control and reflexes that aren't possible with a controller. Not to mention that the P.C. market is as dominant as the console market. Pretty much developers have to make a kick ass game for PC or it won't sell, where consoles get away with mediocre games. A.K.A. Halo 2 single player (not to mention the unbalanced as hell multiplayer).

I still am impressed at how well Call of Duty looked on a console, and am looking forward to seeing Gears of War.

[Scott Weber]

Call of Duty 2 (xbox360) vs Call of duty 2 (pc) and the xbox360's better graphically. Very impressive indeed. i'm really just saying Brutus is that PCs will always look better. And Scott I am with the Xbox camp because Microsoft has alot more to prove and alot more work then Sony does. This means they cannot afford to release shitty products or do anything half assed. I'm not saying Sony is so comfortable with their lead they are lazy.I bought 3 Ps2s before the xbox. The first one wouldn't play PSONE games, the second wouldn't play ps2 games and the third my mom threw out because she thought it was a VCR :madfire:. If the suggested fix is because of ventilation being blocked its not a flaw. If the suggestions do not fix the problem but Microsoft is publically announcing it will replace the flawed systems at least it's something. Also the amount of bad systems is an isolated amount and Microsoft cannot be blamed for a manufacture's fault.
you obviously haven't seen call of duty 2 on a GeForce 6800. Nor have you seen Day of Defeat: Source on a good PC. Sucks about your ps2 complaints, but considering you were like 10 when the PS2 came out, i wouldn't be suprised if you just didn't know what you were doing. (joking) i've never seen a complaint about the ps2 in which it doesn't play ps1 or ps2 games unless it's at least 4 years old.

I'd say an xbox crashing from NORMAL USAGE is a pretty fucking large flaw. doesn't matter if it's a simple ventilation problem, if you create a system that crashes when it is used normally, it is a large, serious flaw, and a big indication that they lauched the system too early.

[brutusUbastard]

Call of Duty 2 (xbox360) vs Call of duty 2 (pc) and the xbox360's better graphically. Very impressive indeed. i'm really just saying Brutus is that PCs will always look better. And Scott I am with the Xbox camp because Microsoft has alot more to prove and alot more work then Sony does. This means they cannot afford to release shitty products or do anything half assed. I'm not saying Sony is so comfortable with their lead they are lazy.I bought 3 Ps2s before the xbox. The first one wouldn't play PSONE games, the second wouldn't play ps2 games and the third my mom threw out because she thought it was a VCR :madfire:. If the suggested fix is because of ventilation being blocked its not a flaw. If the suggestions do not fix the problem but Microsoft is publically announcing it will replace the flawed systems at least it's something. Also the amount of bad systems is an isolated amount and Microsoft cannot be blamed for a manufacture's fault.

Oh I know PC's will always be better. Call of Duty 2 still looks better on an Uber High end PC, but your looking at spending around 1500-2000 (including the price of a good HDTV) bucks for an amazing graphical experience on the 360 compared to 4000-6000 for a high end PC (with really good monitor).

[Slaytus]

Well you have two options for the reaction of a system when it's ventilation is blocked.
- Stay on until it overheats and causes damange internally or externally.
- Shut off until you fiqure the problem out.

I'd rather move my expensive xbox360 then have to throw it out.

[Scott Weber]

Oh I know PC's will always be better. Call of Duty 2 still looks better on an Uber High end PC, but your looking at spending around 1500-2000 (including the price of a good HDTV) bucks for an amazing graphical experience on the 360 compared to 4000-6000 for a high end PC (with really good monitor).
HAHA, are you serious??? You really have no idea how much computers cost, do you? I have a medium to high-end computer that cost me a whopping 900 dollars, including my 17-inch LCD monitor.

You can get an incredible gaming PC with a stellar monitor for 2000, tops. That includes the best video card out there, 2 GB of ram, 3.4 ghz processor, whatever. even if you want to literally max out, and buy an apple cinema display (which by the way, are not the best for gaming - nothing beats CRT monitors when it comes to gaming) you're not going to spend 4000 bucks, that's insane.

[Scott Weber]

Well you have two options for the reaction of a system when it's ventilation is blocked.
- Stay on until it overheats and causes damange internally or externally.
- Shut off until you fiqure the problem out.

I'd rather move my expensive xbox360 then have to throw it out.
you just proved to me why this is a very serious flaw with the 360. Thank you.

[Slaytus]

you really are the hot headed one arnt you scott.
BTW block your PS2's ventilation and play it for awhile. The smell of burning plastic usually tells you when its cooked.

[Scott Weber]

you really are the hot headed one arnt you scott.
BTW block your PS2's ventilation and play it for awhile. The smell of burning plastic usually tells you when its cooked.
Haha. thanks, but my ps2's ventilation doesn't get blocked when i take it out of the box, plug it in, and play. unlike the 360, which is happening to hundreds, maybe thousands of users from normal usage.

it's fun to be smug whenh you know you're right.

edit: also, i don't use my ps2 anymore because it doesn't read discs anymore. I prefer my xbox because it's modded and it's reliable. how's that for interesting? i prefer the xbox to the ps2, but not when it comes to next-gen systems.

[brutusUbastard]

HAHA, are you serious??? You really have no idea how much computers cost, do you? I have a medium to high-end computer that cost me a whopping 900 dollars, including my 17-inch LCD monitor.

You can get an incredible gaming PC with a stellar monitor for 2000, tops. That includes the best video card out there, 2 GB of ram, 3.4 ghz processor, whatever.
Actually I do. I price them all the time.

I read Tomshardware, Maximum PC, CGW, Extreme Tech, Hard Ocp, and look at New EGG religously.

Of course building a PC is cheaper. I'm talking about ordering a system with out having to build it, from a Company with a good reputation. You tell me the cheapest PC you can find with an AMD 64 FX-57, two 7800 GTX's, 2 gigs of highperformance PC-3200 DDR ram (I.E. Corasair XMS), a X-Fi platinum sound card, Ample Hard-drive space, a good set of 5.1 speakers (Logitech Z-5500), and a good 20-inch LCD monitor from a reputable company.

I'm not saying the Xbox 360 can beat a high end PC by today's standards. I'm saying for 400 dollars, out of the box, to be able to pump out the graphics it does it's quite impressive. (possible instability aside)

[Scott Weber]

Actually I do. I price them all the time.

I read Tomshardware, Maximum PC, CGW, Extreme Tech, Hard Ocp, and look at New EGG religously.

Of course building a PC is cheaper. I'm talking about ordering a system with out having to build it, from a Company with a good reputation. You tell me the cheapest PC you can find with an AMD 64 FX-57, two 7800 GTX's, 2 gigs of highperformance PC-3200 DDR ram (I.E. Corasair XMS), a X-Fi platinum sound card, Ample Hard-drive space, a good set of 5.1 speakers (Logitech Z-5500), and a good 20-inch LCD monitor from a reputable company.

I'm not saying the Xbox 360 can beat a high end PC by today's standards. I'm saying for 400 dollars, out of the box, to be able to pump out the graphics it does it's quite impressive. (possible instability aside)
I get your point now - totally agree. For 400 bucks, it's a steal for the gaming expierence it provides if you're a PC user who's PC usage is geared mainly towards gaming. But also...the things you listed there really aren't neccesary to get better graphics than a 360 - namely the platinum sound card, 5.1 speakers, and a 20-inch LCD monitor. If you get THOSE things, sure, it's going to be ridiculously sick, but also those components alone will more than double the price of a PC who's going to look amazing and sound great with just 2.1 speakers and a 17 inch monitor.

[Saves The Night]

Wow you guys need to stop arguing...lol everyone is going to have their own opinions and thats going to heavily bias whatever they say. Such is life.

[Darren McLeod]

Scott's right. You shouldn't need to place a system by a window with fans surrounding it to get proper ventilation. You should be able to play it in your dorm room, bedroom, wherever, so long as it's vent is not covered by something.

[Scott Weber]

Scott's right. You shouldn't need to place a system by a window with fans surrounding it to get proper ventilation. You should be able to play it in your dorm room, bedroom, wherever, so long as it's vent is not covered by something.
too bad Slaytus, the xbox360 assjockey, doesn't see that :thumbsup:

[Darren McLeod]

Hahaha, yeah.

[dretti]

The PS2 had a ton of system crashes on its launch date also, Its common for a system to have problems with the first batch. A lot of these "system crash" reports, are also rumors made by people pissed off about the 360.

[Saves The Night]

Scott's right. You shouldn't need to place a system by a window with fans surrounding it to get proper ventilation. You should be able to play it in your dorm room, bedroom, wherever, so long as it's vent is not covered by something.this may be an exaggeration

[Scott Weber]

The PS2 had a ton of system crashes on its launch date also, Its common for a system to have problems with the first batch. A lot of these "system crash" reports, are also rumors made by people pissed off about the 360.
Conspiracy Theories!!!!

[dretti]

Conspiracy Theories!!!!

Exactly. Everything surrounded by the Xbox 360 right now is a conspiracy theory. Whether it be supplies, system crashes, holding out...etc...

[seconds]

Exactly. Everything surrounded by the Xbox 360 right now is a conspiracy theory. Whether it be supplies, system crashes, holding out...etc...
hah, that would be hilarious to see a bunch of kids sitting around in a room saying
"So how are we going to bring Microsoft down with their new X-Box 360?"
"We'll call in fake crashes, and major freezing."

[Saves The Night]

hah, that would be hilarious to see a bunch of kids sitting around in a room saying
"So how are we going to bring Microsoft down with their new X-Box 360?"
"We'll call in fake crashes, and major freezing."i could think of some people i know who would do this....

[ChiodosBros]

"The vast majority of Xbox 360 owners are having an outstanding experience with their new systems," a spokesperson tells Next Generation. "We’ve received a few isolated reports of consoles not working as expected. The call rate is well below what you’d expect for a consumer electronics product of this complexity. As a percentage of the total number of Xbox 360 systems already in the field, these calls represent a very small fraction. That being said, there is no systemic issue with Xbox 360. Each incident is unique and these customer inquires are being handled on a case-by-case basis. Ultimately, customer satisfaction is our highest priority. Anybody having an issue with their Xbox 360 console should call 1-800-4 MY XBOX immediately so that we can help, or visit http://www.Xbox.com/Support (http://www.xbox365.com/www.xbox.com/support)"


Sony admitting trouble

"The risks are surprisingly higher than people think because unless they can replicate its [the PS2's] 70 percent dominant market position, things are going to be very difficult for them going forward."

Koichi Hariya, senior analyst at Mizuho Securities said, "Sony has to launch a new game machine every four, five or six years to maintain the game division's strength." Hariya-san added that PS3 will probably struggle to repeat the profitability of its predecessors.

Perhaps most worryingly for Sony, Hirokazu Hamamura, president of august Japanese games publication Famitsu added: "PS3 will do very well, but it's said that development costs will be high and it'll take longer to make games, so it's likely that it won't have a full line-up of games until the end of 2006 or the beginning of 2007."


so Scott stfu You keep blabbing about Sony admitting trouble, but so far every quote you give is some other company speculating.

[Talib Scottie]

Haha, my PS2 died today, 4 years is not a bad run though.

[Domenic182]

Slaytus makes me laugh. I know that the Xbox360 crashes are not faked because there are about a zillion (not an exaggeration, I counted) threads on GameFaqs about people questioning why their Xbox 360's are freezing up.

[sweethypocrisy]

ive had my ps2 since about the second shipment of them id say, and i was ten when i got it, i still play ps1 games on it regularly. (see: final fantasy VII and VIII) i get the disc read error, and i just reset it and it works. ive had my ps2 tipped on its side and it works fine, when i lay it flat it doesnt work. i like it better on its side anyways, and i didnt even buy a stand for it. :thumbsup: .

[sweethypocrisy]

Haha, my PS2 died today, 4 years is not a bad run though.
disc read error? tip it on its side. srsly.

[Saves The Night]

Slaytus makes me laugh. I know that the Xbox360 crashes are not faked because there are about a zillion (not an exaggeration, I counted) threads on GameFaqs about people questioning why their Xbox 360's are freezing up.contrary to popular belief, this may be an exaggeration. I mean, I'd buy maybe 20-30 threads, but a zillion? Ninja, please.

[Slaytus]

I could go on another systems forums and sign up a bunch of times and say the same thing over and over to try and hurt the other systems reputation. The main problem is Xbox360 is uncontested at the moment.

[Scott Weber]

I could go on another systems forums and sign up a bunch of times and say the same thing over and over to try and hurt the other systems reputation. The main problem is Xbox360 is uncontested at the moment.
HAHAHAHAHA because that's what people are doing, right? God forbid they ACTUALLY have problems with their Xbox360s, no, it must be the sony execs out to RUIN Microsoft's reputation!!!!!!!!

you have lost all credibility in this thread.

[Saves The Night]

HAHAHAHAHA because that's what people are doing, right? God forbid they ACTUALLY have problems with their Xbox360s, no, it must be the sony execs out to RUIN Microsoft's reputation!!!!!!!!

you have lost all credibility in this thread.He really has, I mean at first I felt bad, but now its like kicking a dead horse...:shake:

and i even love the 360

[Slaytus]

In no way have I said that peoples complaints were false. I'm saying this is the internet, people will lie and try to attack a systems credibility. It's sad really. Also Sony's head honco Ken was having a field day attacking micrsoft's xbox360 before it even launched, in fact wayyy before microsoft even attacked Sony.

[Domenic182]

In no way have I said that peoples complaints were false. I'm saying this is the internet, people will lie and try to attack a systems credibility. It's sad really. Also Sony's head honco Ken was having a field day attacking micrsoft's xbox360 before it even launched, in fact wayyy before microsoft even attacked Sony.
Uhh, I would really have to doubt that people are trying to attack or "diss" the system through saying that they are having crazy problems with thieir system when they really don't even have one. If anyone would do it, I would probably think of someone like you (or you yourself) doing it.

[Slaytus]

Yet I admitted before that Xbox360 has pretty much no chance to win against the PS3 and I was loyal to Microsoft because I have yet to encounter any problems with the xbox or xbox360. I wouldn't waste my time trying to convince ppl another system sucks i'd be enjoying my system. I'm only on these boards saying my opinion and saying that this is the internet and nothing can be read for 100% fact. Believe half what u hear and half what you see. Also I'm glad someone from california such as yourself finds the time to judge my character on a forum and relate me to something that would be a waste of my time. Asshole

[Darren McLeod]

Sony's head honco Ken was having a field day attacking micrsoft's xbox360 before it even launched, in fact wayyy before microsoft even attacked Sony.
A company attacking its main competitor's product? Such a thing happens?

[Slaytus]

Actually Sony is helping Microsoft quite a bit

http://www.gamespot.com/news/6140373.html

[Scott Weber]

Slaytus, you sir, are acting like a complete idiot. I cannot be reasonable or rational anymore with you. I can't honestly comprehend you truly believe half the stuff you say.

[Slaytus]

Thats what you get for fighting over the internet:thumbsup: a big waste of your time and mine seeing how PC gamers will never give up their rigs. And I'm 100% sure i'll never buy another sony product except maybe a snazzy tv. So indeed it's been an amazing page or 2 of usless fighting.

[Darren McLeod]

Actually Sony is helping Microsoft quite a bit

http://www.gamespot.com/news/6140373.html
How is Sony helping Microsoft in that article? Please, clarify your point.

[Scott Weber]

Thats what you get for fighting over the internet:thumbsup: a big waste of your time and mine seeing how PC gamers will never give up their rigs. And I'm 100% sure i'll never buy another sony product except maybe a snazzy tv. So indeed it's been an amazing page or 2 of usless fighting.
Once again, the idiotic comments continue, considering this thread hasn't been about PC gamers refusing to leave their rigs...I game on pc and console, they're seperate. Nobody was saying one or the other - guess you missed that. What this thread HAS been about, is you making ridiculous claims about how the world is out to get Microsoft and how you make sweet sweet love to your 360 at night. It's funny how everyone in this thread has just laughed at you, yet you continue to give us material for which to shoot you down with. Please don't leave this thread, you're really entertaining.

[Slaytus]

"Clearly the demand for 360s is huge, so much so that even Microsoft's competition isn't immune to the hype surrounding the system launch. On Monday, one Sony executive who wished to remain anonymous paid $3,000 for a premium Xbox 360 system on eBay. The auction was for one of the first 10 Xbox 360 North American systems, originally given away at E3 as part of a contest sponsored by Mountain Dew. The exec's $3,000 Buy it Now bid netted him the system, a certificate of authenticity, a copy of Kameo: Elements of Power, a limited-edition E3 Xbox 360 faceplate, and perhaps many months of having to live down comments from his teasing coworkers."

It really wouldnt mean anything if the guy hadn't asked to remain anonymous. Oh I won't leave either Scott just cuz its entertaining to be here on these beautiful forums.

[Scott Weber]

How is Sony helping Microsoft in that article? Please, clarify your point.
See Darren, this is what I'm talking about. you're posting on AP, but you're not on AIM. CAUGHT.

[Scott Weber]

"Clearly the demand for 360s is huge, so much so that even Microsoft's competition isn't immune to the hype surrounding the system launch. On Monday, one Sony executive who wished to remain anonymous paid $3,000 for a premium Xbox 360 system on eBay. The auction was for one of the first 10 Xbox 360 North American systems, originally given away at E3 as part of a contest sponsored by Mountain Dew. The exec's $3,000 Buy it Now bid netted him the system, a certificate of authenticity, a copy of Kameo: Elements of Power, a limited-edition E3 Xbox 360 faceplate, and perhaps many months of having to live down comments from his teasing coworkers."

It really wouldnt mean anything if the guy hadn't asked to remain anonymous. Oh I won't leave either Scott just cuz its entertaining to be here on these beautiful forums.
How is that helping Microsoft? The dude wanted a 360, so he bought one on Ebay. Those profits don't go to Microsoft, douche. He works in the video game industry and he's probably loaded. I'd want to play with the competitors systems too.

[ChiodosBros]

"Clearly the demand for 360s is huge, so much so that even Microsoft's competition isn't immune to the hype surrounding the system launch. On Monday, one Sony executive who wished to remain anonymous paid $3,000 for a premium Xbox 360 system on eBay. The auction was for one of the first 10 Xbox 360 North American systems, originally given away at E3 as part of a contest sponsored by Mountain Dew. The exec's $3,000 Buy it Now bid netted him the system, a certificate of authenticity, a copy of Kameo: Elements of Power, a limited-edition E3 Xbox 360 faceplate, and perhaps many months of having to live down comments from his teasing coworkers."

It really wouldnt mean anything if the guy hadn't asked to remain anonymous. Oh I won't leave either Scott just cuz its entertaining to be here on these beautiful forums. You retard. It was an executive of the tv show "Desperate Housewives. You're an uninformed tool.

[Darren McLeod]

Scott - I'm at the school computer labs... so that's why I'm not on AIM. It doesn't have aim, and aimexpress kinda sucks.

[Scott Weber]

You retard. It was an executive of the tv show "Desperate Housewives. You're an uninformed tool.
Haha, really? That's fucking hilarious.

[Scott Weber]

Scott - I'm at the school computer labs... so that's why I'm not on AIM. It doesn't have aim, and aimexpress kinda sucks.
I don't want to hear your excuses!

[Darren McLeod]

I don't want to hear your excuses!
I'm on now.

Oh yeah, and Slaytus seems to have mysteriously vanished now that he's been proven wrong...

[Domenic182]

I'm on now.

Oh yeah, and Slaytus seems to have mysteriously vanished now that he's been proven wrong...
He's like a ghost. He called me an asshole. Not cool dude.

[jfb392]

It seems the systems have been overheating because of the power brick, 1000 times the size of Earth.
Suspend it in the air with string (make that rope or braided steel) and you'll be fine.

[ChiodosBros]

Haha, really? That's fucking hilarious. The story I read like 3 days ago on yahoo.com said it was a Desperate Housewives executive. I'm assuming that it is a Sony pictures television show. Even so. Doesn't he realize that Sony has multiple divisions and one doesn't have anything to do with the other? I mean, come on! So what if someone employed over at Sony Pictures buys a 360. It'd be a different story if the dude worked for SCEA in Japan directly on the PS3. Dude's just grasping straws now.

[Scott Weber]

The story I read like 3 days ago on yahoo.com said it was a Desperate Housewives executive. I'm assuming that it is a Sony pictures television show. Even so. Doesn't he realize that Sony has multiple divisions and one doesn't have anything to do with the other? I mean, come on! So what if someone employed over at Sony Pictures buys a 360. It'd be a different story if the dude worked for SCEA in Japan directly on the PS3. Dude's just grasping straws now.
rofl, that is seriously so funny. good god.

[Darren McLeod]

It seems the systems have been overheating because of the power brick, 1000 times the size of Earth.
Suspend it in the air with string (make that rope or braided steel) and you'll be fine.
Watch out though! Suspend it too high and it could escape Earth's gravity, and then, having a mass larger than that of Earth, will force Earth to orbit the power brick, completely throwing off the workings of our solar system!

[Saves The Night]

Watch out though! Suspend it too high and it could escape Earth's gravity, and then, having a mass larger than that of Earth, will force Earth to orbit the power brick, completely throwing off the workings of our solar system!Oh shits...the masses must be warned!!!!1 :sealed:

[sweethypocrisy]

It seems the systems have been overheating because of the power brick, 1000 times the size of Earth.
Suspend it in the air with string (make that rope or braided steel) and you'll be fine.
you fucking fanboy retard, its not that big. try 990 times the size of earth. jackass.

[sweethypocrisy]

hahahaha.
http://cubemedia.ign.com/cube/image/article/670/670078/xbox-360-is-not-a-revolution-20051122070558150.jpg

[believethehyph]

hahahaha.
http://cubemedia.ign.com/cube/image/article/670/670078/xbox-360-is-not-a-revolution-20051122070558150.jpg

hahahaha

[Darren McLeod]

We're gonna see street gangs twirling the bricks as a brutal weapon.

It'll be outlawed in 46 states.

[Domenic182]

hahahaha.
http://cubemedia.ign.com/cube/image/article/670/670078/xbox-360-is-not-a-revolution-20051122070558150.jpg
They make white Revolutions now? I'll be darned.

[Saves The Night]

hahahaha.
http://cubemedia.ign.com/cube/image/article/670/670078/xbox-360-is-not-a-revolution-20051122070558150.jpgtrue story

[Slaytus]

Sorry guys I had other things to do rather then sit on forums all day long. I said Sony helped microsoft by the Sony executive asking to remain nameless. No shit Microsoft doesn't get or need to money. I'm saying by asking to remain nameless and paying so much while being a sony employee only shows what the article states that even the competition is getting xbox360. Although Sony and Microsoft arnt really competing its just the game divisions.

[sweethypocrisy]

Sorry guys I had other things to do rather then sit on forums all day long. I said Sony helped microsoft by the Sony executive asking to remain nameless. No shit Microsoft doesn't get or need to money. I'm saying by asking to remain nameless and paying so much while being a sony employee only shows what the article states that even the competition is getting xbox360. Although Sony and Microsoft arnt really competing its just the game divisions.
yeah, my ass. i shouldve taken screenshots of all the times you were on the users currently veiwing thread list. lurker.

[Slaytus]

No seriously my parents are divourced and my dad doesnt have a PC and yesterday was his day after he picked me up. kthx

[Scott Weber]

rofl, i am sooooo close to creating a Slaytus appreciation thread. Enough already, dude.

[Slaytus]

I'd like that

[Domenic182]

I'd like that You would like it.