Dear New York, From Seattle

[Scott Weber]

Thank you.


Great game played by both teams, but I mean, thank you for your 11,12 false starts, was it? thank you for jay fealy, who will now be looking for a new job after today. Thank you for making asses of yourself (premature celebrations by Shockey, Strahan). Seattle is now tops in the NFC. It's about time they get some respect.

[Broken Parachute]

Giants had 17 total penalties. It was a disgrace on offense. Thank God our Defense was good. We stopped Shaun Alexander for most of the game. He broke out in the 4th quarter.

I'm shocked Jay Feely could be so bad. I dropped him off of my Fantasy Team just now. I wanna kill him.

[Spicoli hey bud]

Tomorrows headlines:

Shockey commits homicide, kicker found dead

[Fullcollapse3k]

Tomorrows headlines:

Shockey commits homicide, kicker found dead

Shockey committing suicide would make for a much better story, seeing that he's a complete douchebag.

[selftitled85]

Tomorrows headlines:

Shockey commits homicide, kicker found dead

shockey played his best game in the nfl today. i dont care if that one td was a fluke or not...he made almost all the pivotal catches as well as the two point conversion.

[still_life]

This game just shows that Seattle is still vulnerable to a team coming into their house and beating them. If not for a horrible kicking job (or maybe some less false starts), Seattle loses.

[Broken Parachute]

If Feely made the original kick attempt in the 4th quarter with 4 seconds left, there is no overtime and everyone talks about how good the Giants are. Now, everyone will be talking about how bad they were. One person and one play determined how everyone looks at them.

[rcrook]

the nfc sucks...the afc all day long

[Scott Weber]

This game just shows that Seattle is still vulnerable to a team coming into their house and beating them. If not for a horrible kicking job (or maybe some less false starts), Seattle loses.
You crack me up, man...it's obvious that nothing Seattle/Alexander does will make you respect them, so that's fine. You can remain doubtful, but the record speaks for itself - 9-2. (by the way, that makes us 6-0 at home this year, and 8-0 last year I believe in case you lost track.) A win's a win, and Seattle's crowd definitely caused a ton of those false starts....plus, Shockey didn't deserve that TD in the first half, which was the difference between a touchdown and a FG, making the missed field goal at the end of regulation irrelevant.

[justinevans]

shockey played his best game in the nfl today. i dont care if that one td was a fluke or not...he made almost all the pivotal catches as well as the two point conversion.

and he came through for another costly incomplete pass.

[still_life]

Seattle/Alexander deserve no respect until they win a playoff game, simple as that. Or beating an elite AFC team like the Colts would help.

There was no conclusive evidence to overturn Shockey's TD.

[Scott Weber]

Seattle/Alexander deserve no respect until they win a playoff game, simple as that. Or beating an elite AFC team like the Colts would help.

There was no conclusive evidence to overturn Shockey's TD.
haha, alright. guess beating the Giants and Cowboys doesn't help. I understand why people are skeptical, but to hold out respect for this long is downright comical. Seattle won't even have to play in the first round, they'll get a bye at this rate, and homefield for the entire NFC playoffs. Judging Seattle's record at home, wouldn't you have to give them some respect?

[still_life]

Giants missed 3 FGs, Cowboys had a badly missed FG and an ill-advised pass. They didn't dominate either game, and pretty much got lucky in each case. Where is their dominating, impressive victory against a quality opponent on the season? It's the same team as the last two years, with a better record. Until Holmgren proves he can win without Favre when it matters, and Alexander can get the tough yards when it matters, they're still a soft team that's notorious for choking.

And did you say 8-0 at home last year? Funny, I seem to remember Marc Bulger owning the Seahawks for a 17 point comeback, then the Rams winning again in the playoffs in Seattle's house.

[Scott Weber]

Giants missed 3 FGs, Cowboys had a badly missed FG and an ill-advised pass. They didn't dominate either game, and pretty much got lucky in each case. Where is their dominating, impressive victory against a quality opponent on the season? It's the same team as the last two years, with a better record. Until Holmgren proves he can win without Favre when it matters, and Alexander can get the tough yards when it matters, they're still a soft team that's notorious for choking.
And did you say 8-0 at home last year? Funny, I seem to remember Marc Bulger owning the Seahawks for a 17 point comeback, then the Rams winning again in the playoffs in Seattle's house.
this is ABSOLUTELY not the same team it was a year ago. I mean, I'm a rabid hawks fan, and we can feel it here in Seattle. The media can feel it. Even nationwide (excluding you) can tell that this team is different. The defense, which was in the gutter last year, has been big this year, the offense has had great clock control in the late minutes, we're not dropping passes (which cost us God knows how many games last year) The point is... we haven't choked this year. We're winning the close games, instead of choking against teams like Dallas and St. Louis, like we did last year. It doesn't matter though. You can deny it, you can refuse it, I don't care - Spirits are high in Seattle, and everybody but you knows this team is a vastly different one from years past.

edit: you're right about the record, somehow i got totally confused and mixed that up with another stat. continue

[piebaldkid42]

this is ABSOLUTELY not the same team it was a year ago. I mean, I'm a rabid hawks fan, and we can feel it here in Seattle. The media can feel it. Even nationwide (excluding you) can tell that this team is different. The defense, which was in the gutter last year, has been big this year, the offense has had great clock control in the late minutes, we're not dropping passes (which cost us God knows how many games last year) The point is... we haven't choked this year. We're winning the close games, instead of choking against teams like Dallas and St. Louis, like we did last year. It doesn't matter though. You can deny it, you can refuse it, I don't care - Spirits are high in Seattle, and everybody but you knows this team is a vastly different one from years past.

edit: you're right about the record, somehow i got totally confused and mixed that up with another stat. continue
i would say that seatle chocked when they gave the giants the ball back with a minute and a half left after a 3 and out and only using up 36 seconds. numerous times the giants should have won. had the giants kicker been able to hit the broad side of a barn the giants would have won the game 3 times. the new york defense can only be asked to make so many stops. it just sucks that 1 person nullified what the work of a bunch of other giants did. if im a seahawks fan im not looking at this win as a proud homestand, but as a lucky escape from a loss.

[Scott Weber]

i would say that seatle chocked when they gave the giants the ball back with a minute and a half left after a 3 and out and only using up 36 seconds. numerous times the giants should have won. had the giants kicker been able to hit the broad side of a barn the giants would have won the game 3 times. the new york defense can only be asked to make so many stops. it just sucks that 1 person nullified what the work of a bunch of other giants did. if im a seahawks fan im not looking at this win as a proud homestand, but as a lucky escape from a loss.
that's exactly how I look at this, we escaped with a win this time. hasselback and the seahawks offense sputtered several times, it wasn't until we got so many chances that we could finally capitalize. nobody here is bragging about this win, when I say we deserve respect, I'm talking more about the season than this game.

[Caleb Cattivera]

This game just shows that Seattle is still vulnerable to a team coming into their house and beating them. If not for a horrible kicking job (or maybe some less false starts), Seattle loses.

haha man you bitch alot.

[asianxcore]

24-21 thats all i need to say that the seahawks are best in the nfc. you cant say "oh, well they were a field goal away" because thats the problem, if they cant make a field goal they dont deserve to win. If they can start a play on a three count they dont deserve to win. The seahawks capatilized and played a good game, i take my hat off to holmgren and the hawks because i personally thought they couldnt match up because they come from such a horrible division. they showed they could hack it with the big boys now give them props. i do

[piebaldkid42]

24-21 thats all i need to say that the seahawks are best in the nfc. you cant say "oh, well they were a field goal away" because thats the problem, if they cant make a field goal they dont deserve to win. If they can start a play on a three count they dont deserve to win. The seahawks capatilized and played a good game, i take my hat off to holmgren and the hawks because i personally thought they couldnt match up because they come from such a horrible division. they showed they could hack it with the big boys now give them props. i do
meh, im still bitter, theres so much more to it then 21-24, this'll be one of the games that will be shown in the pregame highlight things before the giants play the seahawks any and every time they do.

[still_life]

this is ABSOLUTELY not the same team it was a year ago. I mean, I'm a rabid hawks fan, and we can feel it here in Seattle. The media can feel it. Even nationwide (excluding you) can tell that this team is different. The defense, which was in the gutter last year, has been big this year, the offense has had great clock control in the late minutes, we're not dropping passes (which cost us God knows how many games last year) The point is... we haven't choked this year. We're winning the close games, instead of choking against teams like Dallas and St. Louis, like we did last year. It doesn't matter though. You can deny it, you can refuse it, I don't care - Spirits are high in Seattle, and everybody but you knows this team is a vastly different one from years past.
edit: you're right about the record, somehow i got totally confused and mixed that up with another stat. continue

They still struggle to protect a lead on good teams. If it wasn't for an injured Michael Vick, they probably would have tied the game after being down 21-0. Eli marched the Giants up and down the field today, including a 2 pt conversion to tie it. Sounds like the same collapsing defense from last year. The only real difference is less dropped passes (good bye Koren Robinson), and more carries for Alexander.

Just look at the schedule, it hasn't been that impressive

Lose to Jacksonville, a pretty good AFC team, 26-14
Barely hold on against Atlanta, 21-18
Blow out a bad Arizona team 37-12
Lose to an average Washington team, 20-17
Win a close one with a slumping Rams team, 37-31
Blow out one of the worst teams of the decade, Houston, 42-10
Steal one from the Cowboys, 13-10
Beat the same bad Cardinals team, 33-19
Beat an even worse St. Louis team than weeks ago, 31-16
Barely hold on against the lowly 49ers, 27-25
Need 3 missed FG's and a booth challenge to edge out the Giants, 24-21

Seahawks might be #1 in the NFC, but there are about 5 AFC teams that are better than them. Conference is just weak again.

[Talib Scottie]

Carolina's offense has been shit the past three weeks.

[marrost]

I didn't read most of this crap, but here's how it is. It wasn't all Feely's fault. He would have made that last one if it wasn't for their 11th fucking false start. The Giants would have put the game away if Eli didn't throw that pick. I don't give much credit to Seattle for the fact that they even let the Giants take it to overtime. If you can't capatalize on nearly 20 penalties in regulation, AT HOME, you're not a very good team. They both played a shitty game as far as I'm concerned. I give credit to the front 7 of the Giants defense, for being the only shining part of their team as of late.

[still_life]

The two best teams they've played (NYG, DAL, or if you want to argue JAX, well they got beat by them), the opposition gift wrapped them the win. Cortez missed a chipshot, Bledsoe gave them a FG practically. Then we know what happened today. They don't have many quality victories that a team with 9 wins should have.

[asianxcore]

The two best teams they've played (NYG, DAL, or if you want to argue JAX, well they got beat by them), the opposition gift wrapped them the win. Cortez missed a chipshot, Bledsoe gave them a FG practically. Then we know what happened today. They don't have many quality victories that a team with 9 wins should have.
but they won it doesnt matter. a win is a win, the pats won teh superbowl by 3 points last year that doesnt make them anyless world champions.

[AshesAshes]

Seattle wont win a playoff game this year.

[marrost]

but they won it doesnt matter. a win is a win, the pats won teh superbowl by 3 points last year that doesnt make them anyless world champions.So that means you can't dispute the credibility of a win? It was messy and the Seahawks got this one with some heavy luck. Both teams, save a few members, played a terrible game.

[still_life]

but they won it doesnt matter. a win is a win, the pats won teh superbowl by 3 points last year that doesnt make them anyless world champions.

When compared to past SB champions it sure does.

It's so frustrating when a team is outplayed but still wins the game. Glad I'm not a fan of the Giants.

[Spicoli hey bud]

Seattle wont win a playoff game this year.
If they play at home, I guarantee it

[YouMadeTheScene]

My family has a very famous saying, 'If my aunt had balls she'd be my uncle'

for the giants there are a lot of ifs today. If they didn't commit 13 false starts and if Jay Feely had made just a Field Goal , New York is seen as probably the best team in the NFC or at least one of the top 2. Tom Coughlin is going to reem the Offensive line this week. Seattle played a great game, but they are clearly a very beatable team. The Giant's did a great job on Defense and if the Offensive Line had kept their composure and not put the team in such bad field position over and over I think they would've been in better condition to stop Shaun Alexander in the 2nd Half. Great job by Seattle though bottom line is they won. I'd love to see this again in the playoffs.

And whoever said Shockey is a douche bag clearly hasn't followed him much this year. Everyone is saying how he has become such a team leader and doesn't party and basically keeps his mouth shut now. The guy is a damn good TE. He got rocked over the middle and he still kept going back over the middle and did his thing. Give the guy some credit.

[weezer182]

when I say we deserve respect, I'm talking more about the season than this game. i think seattle gets respect from a lot of people and players. i can also see how some people dont give them as much respect. the first issue is not being able to win in the playoffs. not to say that they wont win this year but a lot of people consider seattle a team that cant get it done in the playoffs and therefore dont have confidence in them. the second thing is being in the weakest conference in football. they cant help it but its another point that people bring up.

[Jesse2]

They still struggle to protect a lead on good teams. If it wasn't for an injured Michael Vick, they probably would have tied the game after being down 21-0. Eli marched the Giants up and down the field today, including a 2 pt conversion to tie it. Sounds like the same collapsing defense from last year. The only real difference is less dropped passes (good bye Koren Robinson), and more carries for Alexander.
Just look at the schedule, it hasn't been that impressive
Lose to Jacksonville, a pretty good AFC team, 26-14
Barely hold on against Atlanta, 21-18
Blow out a bad Arizona team 37-12
Lose to an average Washington team, 20-17
Win a close one with a slumping Rams team, 37-31
Blow out one of the worst teams of the decade, Houston, 42-10
Steal one from the Cowboys, 13-10
Beat the same bad Cardinals team, 33-19
Beat an even worse St. Louis team than weeks ago, 31-16
Barely hold on against the lowly 49ers, 27-25
Need 3 missed FG's and a booth challenge to edge out the Giants, 24-21
Seahawks might be #1 in the NFC, but there are about 5 AFC teams that are better than them. Conference is just weak again.

you sound like a politician the way you spin this shit.

[YouMadeTheScene]

I have a question if this game was played on a neutral field who do you think would win? This is just a hypothetical question. For me in deciding who is the best team is when I imagine who would win on a neutral field.

[weezer182]

I have a question if this game was played on a neutral field who do you think would win? This is just a hypothetical question. For me in deciding who is the best team is when I imagine who would win on a neutral field. they seem pretty much even. it would all depend who was playing better that day i think

[YouMadeTheScene]

they seem pretty much even. it would all depend who was playing better that day i think

I'm trying not to be partial but I mean just by what happened in this game. With the false starts and the crowd really getting into the offensive line and really hurting them, I think if that is taken out you can make a real case that the giants win this game.

[still_life]

Giants win on a neutral field, and especially would have won if this game was in New York. Seattle can't win on the east coast.

[commatosa]

Everyone needs to stop bitching. Here's a FACT: Seattle Seahawks are 9-2...better than any NFC team. Tied for 2nd best in the NFL. Now for all of you die hard AFC people. The AFC's not as elite as you think they are. The NFC has dominated the last 20 years in the super bowl so please stop the shit talk. There's just as many shitty AFC teams as there are NFC teams. Anyway, yes the Seahawks got lucky today, but at the end of the day...they are the ones who get to put 1 more in the win column. Doesn't matter how they won, all that matters is that they had more points at the end of the game. Those are the rules...sorry. Most of the time, my seahawks have been the team that felt the heat of that rule. So, no sympathy.

[still_life]

Indy
Denver
Pittsburgh
Cincinnati
Jacksonville
San Diego

In no order, are better teams than Seattle. Then I'd put Seattle in with the Chiefs maybe. Larry Johnson is dominating.

[commatosa]

Indy
Denver
Pittsburgh
Cincinnati
Jacksonville
San Diego

In no order, are better teams than Seattle. Then I'd put Seattle in with the Chiefs maybe. Larry Johnson is dominating.

umm, sorry to burst your bubble, but only 1 of those teams have a better record than seattle. Hey, I wish my opinion could dictate standings too.

[still_life]

Seattle plays in the weaker conference, and in the weakest division of that conference. I don't care about overall record, those are better teams that have played better competition.

A team like the Chargers would take Seattle to the woodshed.

[YouMadeTheScene]

Indy
Denver
Pittsburgh
Cincinnati
Jacksonville
San Diego

In no order, are better teams than Seattle. Then I'd put Seattle in with the Chiefs maybe. Larry Johnson is dominating.

See now that makes sense and I would agree with that. But at the same time I think the Giants could be some of those teams, and the same with the Bears. It really is odd, becuase Seattle could be as good or better then the Giants and Bears but I think Seattle would lose to most of those teams.

[Goodbye Forever]

Everyone needs to stop bitching. Here's a FACT: Seattle Seahawks are 9-2...better than any NFC team. Tied for 2nd best in the NFL. Now for all of you die hard AFC people. The AFC's not as elite as you think they are. The NFC has dominated the last 20 years in the super bowl so please stop the shit talk. There's just as many shitty AFC teams as there are NFC teams. Anyway, yes the Seahawks got lucky today, but at the end of the day...they are the ones who get to put 1 more in the win column. Doesn't matter how they won, all that matters is that they had more points at the end of the game. Those are the rules...sorry. Most of the time, my seahawks have been the team that felt the heat of that rule. So, no sympathy.

The AFC has won 6 of the last 8 Super Bowls.

[Scott Weber]

Seattle plays in the weaker conference, and in the weakest division of that conference. I don't care about overall record, those are better teams that have played better competition.

A team like the Chargers would take Seattle to the woodshed.
Bring it on! :) i'd love to see them get worked.

[weezer182]

Bring it on! :) i'd love to see them get worked. haha let the battle between weber and still_life begin

[commatosa]

guys, it doesn't matter what you think. Seattle still has the #1 offense in the NFL, a very good defense (2nd in NFL in the red zone). The NFL's leading rusher and an amazing offensive line. They're a good team and they have an awesome record to prove it. No one's arguing that they've sucked in previous years and they're traditionally bad in the playoffs. But they still deserve respect if you like it or not. This is their year. The Bucs got their year after being notorious for sucking. The patriots used to be very very shitty, but they've built a dynasty. Sorry that the Seahawks are being uncharacterisic, but us fans in the NW are loving every second of it. So for all of you people who are disappointed in your own teams' failures....welcome to our world.

[jaimej]

Scotty Weebs, always hating on New York.

[Jesse2]

Indy
Denver
Pittsburgh
Cincinnati
Jacksonville
San Diego
In no order, are better teams than Seattle. Then I'd put Seattle in with the Chiefs maybe. Larry Johnson is dominating.

-Indy: yes, but if Indy has home field advantage at that point don't expect to see the A team (not the mr. t one)
-Denver: maybe, they're damn good, but they beat the cowboys by the same margin seattle did.
-Pittsburgh: without Ben they wouldn't stand a chance. Maddox sucks.
-Cinci:maybe, but Seattle would run right over that defense. Hell, the ravens just scored 29 against them.
-Jacksonville: First game was a fluke. This team lost to St. Louis.
-San Diego: I think they're better than most of the AFC teams, so I'll give this one to you.
-Chiefs: BUFFALO held them to 3 points. Paaaleeeease.

[Scott Weber]

-Indy: yes, but if Indy has home field advantage at that point don't expect to see the A team (not the mr. t one)
-Denver: maybe, they're damn good, but they beat the cowboys by the same margin seattle did.
-Pittsburgh: without Ben they wouldn't stand a chance. Maddox sucks.
-Cinci:maybe, but Seattle would run right over that defense. Hell, the ravens just scored 29 against them.
-Jacksonville: First game was a fluke. This team lost to St. Louis.
-San Diego: I think they're better than most of the AFC teams, so I'll give this one to you.
-Chiefs: BUFFALO held them to 3 points. Paaaleeeease.
ding ding ding.

[Scott Weber]

http://students.washington.edu/sweber2/shockeyshocked.gif

[somethingyellow]

http://students.washington.edu/sweber2/shockeyshocked.gif
hahahaha nice sig

[YouMadeTheScene]

haha i still love shockey

[hockey0001]

Indy
Denver
Pittsburgh
Cincinnati
Jacksonville
San Diego

In no order, are better teams than Seattle. Then I'd put Seattle in with the Chiefs maybe. Larry Johnson is dominating.

Indy - definately better
Denver - definately better
Pittsburgh - better, but not by much
Cinncinatti - i say theyre equal. Cinci might have more talent but they have yet to beat a good team
Jacksonville - was better, without Leftwich they arent.
San Diego - see pittsburgh

[still_life]

Seattle still has the #1 offense in the NFL

By what ridiculous ranking did you get that from? I believe the #1 offense is the team (going into week 12) with the most points, the best 3rd down conversion %, and tied for most TD passes in the league.

They even said it on Primetime yesterday, Seattle's 9-2, but they don't pass the eye test. We're still waiting for a NFC team to look dominant like the Colts are in the AFC this year, and how the Eagles were in past years.

-Indy: yes, but if Indy has home field advantage at that point don't expect to see the A team (not the mr. t one)
-Denver: maybe, they're damn good, but they beat the cowboys by the same margin seattle did.
-Pittsburgh: without Ben they wouldn't stand a chance. Maddox sucks.
-Cinci:maybe, but Seattle would run right over that defense. Hell, the ravens just scored 29 against them.
-Jacksonville: First game was a fluke. This team lost to St. Louis.
-San Diego: I think they're better than most of the AFC teams, so I'll give this one to you.
-Chiefs: BUFFALO held them to 3 points. Paaaleeeease.

Denver at least scored 24 points on Dallas on the road with only days to prepare for the game. Seattle had to get a gift wrapped INT and missed FG at home to win by 13-10. Their running game is so deep, Plummer doesn't make mistakes now, and they rarely ever get stuck in 3rd and long situations. The defense is also really tough against the run. They'll be locking up the #2 seed soon.

Well the Steelers have Ben and not Maddox, so that's a worthless point. The Steelers are a better team.

Bengals - Ravens only scored 29 after it was 34-0. Cincy completely dominated that game, then they just wanted to go celebrate. Don't let the score fool you. I think Cincy's offense would outscore Seattle's in a shootout. Hasselbeck just isn't the real deal.

Jacksonville - Maybe they're not better without Leftwich, but let's give Garrard a chance first. He looks to be a similar QB. The defense is still tough against the pass. They made Manning have possibly his worst career start ever this year. Running game is solid too, and that's a pretty good corps of receivers.

Chiefs - you're going to bring up one game? Larry Johnson is running all over defenses, and would be leading the league in rushing if Priest Holmes was never there. Gonzalez is still one of the best pass receiving TEs. Trent Green still can air it out. They got Roaf back on the o-line. The D is better than year's past. They have a tough stretch to go, but they've had a pretty good year so far.

[commatosa]

By what ridiculous ranking did you get that from? I believe the #1 offense is the team (going into week 12) with the most points, the best 3rd down conversion %, and tied for most TD passes in the league.

They even said it on Primetime yesterday, Seattle's 9-2, but they don't pass the eye test. We're still waiting for a NFC team to look dominant like the Colts are in the AFC this year, and how the Eagles were in past years.



Denver at least scored 24 points on Dallas on the road with only days to prepare for the game. Seattle had to get a gift wrapped INT and missed FG at home to win by 13-10. Their running game is so deep, Plummer doesn't make mistakes now, and they rarely ever get stuck in 3rd and long situations. The defense is also really tough against the run. They'll be locking up the #2 seed soon.

Well the Steelers have Ben and not Maddox, so that's a worthless point. The Steelers are a better team.

Bengals - Ravens only scored 29 after it was 34-0. Cincy completely dominated that game, then they just wanted to go celebrate. Don't let the score fool you. I think Cincy's offense would outscore Seattle's in a shootout. Hasselbeck just isn't the real deal.

Jacksonville - Maybe they're not better without Leftwich, but let's give Garrard a chance first. He looks to be a similar QB. The defense is still tough against the pass. They made Manning have possibly his worst career start ever this year. Running game is solid too, and that's a pretty good corps of receivers.

Chiefs - you're going to bring up one game? Larry Johnson is running all over defenses, and would be leading the league in rushing if Priest Holmes was never there. Gonzalez is still one of the best pass receiving TEs. Trent Green still can air it out. They got Roaf back on the o-line. The D is better than year's past. They have a tough stretch to go, but they've had a pretty good year so far.

you need to pull your head out of your ass. You have no idea what you're talking about. Basically, in your eyes, every close win was a lucky win and shouldn't count.

[jaimej]

Shockey is a douchebag. My friend kicked him out of his bar because he threatened to not pay his entire tab, because the soco-lime shots he ordered "weren't cold enough". The guy then threw a fit and another guy on the team paid the tab for him, which was over $100. Ridiculous.

[still_life]

you need to pull your head out of your ass. You have no idea what you're talking about. Basically, in your eyes, every close win was a lucky win and shouldn't count.

If you think 3 missed FG's in less than 10 minutes isn't luck in football, I don't know what is.

[Scott Weber]

By what ridiculous ranking did you get that from? I believe the #1 offense is the team (going into week 12) with the most points, the best 3rd down conversion %, and tied for most TD passes in the league.
They even said it on Primetime yesterday, Seattle's 9-2, but they don't pass the eye test. We're still waiting for a NFC team to look dominant like the Colts are in the AFC this year, and how the Eagles were in past years.
Denver at least scored 24 points on Dallas on the road with only days to prepare for the game. Seattle had to get a gift wrapped INT and missed FG at home to win by 13-10. Their running game is so deep, Plummer doesn't make mistakes now, and they rarely ever get stuck in 3rd and long situations. The defense is also really tough against the run. They'll be locking up the #2 seed soon.
Well the Steelers have Ben and not Maddox, so that's a worthless point. The Steelers are a better team.
Bengals - Ravens only scored 29 after it was 34-0. Cincy completely dominated that game, then they just wanted to go celebrate. Don't let the score fool you. I think Cincy's offense would outscore Seattle's in a shootout. Hasselbeck just isn't the real deal.
Jacksonville - Maybe they're not better without Leftwich, but let's give Garrard a chance first. He looks to be a similar QB. The defense is still tough against the pass. They made Manning have possibly his worst career start ever this year. Running game is solid too, and that's a pretty good corps of receivers.
Chiefs - you're going to bring up one game? Larry Johnson is running all over defenses, and would be leading the league in rushing if Priest Holmes was never there. Gonzalez is still one of the best pass receiving TEs. Trent Green still can air it out. They got Roaf back on the o-line. The D is better than year's past. They have a tough stretch to go, but they've had a pretty good year so far.

Haha, you just give nobody any credit. First off, the Dallas/Seattle game...Bledsoe threw an errant pass, but Babineaux read that all the way and made a huge play on the ball. Of course, Josh Brown had to kick the FG to win it too - that's something that shouldn't be taken for granted after the Giants game. Special Teams are critical, and the Hawks have been money on it all year.

You can say Larry Johnson would lead the league in rushing, but you don't know, do you? It's such a bold statement, considering Shaun is on pace to rush for 1948 yards....LJ would have more than that? Hmm? No. You have 4 quality games to go off of. We all know Shaun is consistent, he has been for 4 years now, can you judge LJ on 4 games? It's an overzealous claim.

If you're not going to give the Seahawks credit because they haven't won a playoff game, then I won't give Jake Plummer any credit since he hasn't done shit when it matters in the past. I can see he's different this year, but can you see/admit the Hawks are different? Nah. Therefore, the Broncos aren't a better team.

Cincy - you say they'd beat Seattle in a shootout, but they'd have to MAKE it a shootout first, wouldn't they? The way Alexander and Hasselback have controlled the clock and tempo this year would mean that the game wouldn't be a shootout in the first place. By the same logic you presented, if it was a ground game with ball control, Seattle would dominate. Rudi Johnson just isn't the "real deal."

You've yet to present any solid evidence that says why Pitt is better, so I'll ignore that for now and just point towards 9-2. All factors aside, you can't argue with wins. You just can't.

Nobody is saying the Hawks are the best team in the league, they're probably 3rd or maybe even 4th right now. The AFC is really tough. I'm arguing that they are the best in the NFC and they deserve the respect that they've rightfully earned. All the arguments you present are totally fallable and not thought through.

[still_life]

I know Josh Brown's been pretty good, he's my fantasy kicker. Cortez missed a chipshot in that game, meaning Seattle should have never got the ball back period. That was luck. Just like how the Bears lucked out on a missed chipshot by TB.

You hype about ypc, well LJ has a better average than Alexander. He's been great this year, and he was great last year when Priest went down.

If you're not going to give the Seahawks credit because they haven't won a playoff game, then I won't give Jake Plummer any credit since he hasn't done shit when it matters in the past. I can see he's different this year, but can you see/admit the Hawks are different? Nah. Therefore, the Broncos aren't a better team.

Jake Plummer's on pace to break Elway's record of 4th quarter comebacks. His career would have been much better if he wasn't in the desert for so many years. Hell he's the only QB to ever lead the Cardinals to a playoff win. It's ridiculous to even think Seattle is a better team than Denver. Who did Seattle beat again? Denver routed the two teams in the SB last year, they beat Dallas on the road on 3 days of preparation. They beat SD, KC, Jax, and Washington. They've had the best record in the league against quality opponents in the first half of the season.

Cincy - you say they'd beat Seattle in a shootout, but they'd have to MAKE it a shootout first, wouldn't they? The way Alexander and Hasselback have controlled the clock and tempo this year would mean that the game wouldn't be a shootout in the first place. By the same logic you presented, if it was a ground game with ball control, Seattle would dominate. Rudi Johnson just isn't the "real deal."

Cincy can strike quickly, they don't need to win time of possession to score. And Rudi and Perry is a good combo, especially when Perry is catching passes out of the backfield. And the defense has ballhawks all over the secondary.

You've yet to present any solid evidence that says why Pitt is better, so I'll ignore that for now and just point towards 9-2. All factors aside, you can't argue with wins. You just can't.

Fuck the record, like people with any knowledge said, Seattle doesn't pass the eye test. They are not a dominant team with any dominant wins against quality opponents. Their playoff record is abysmal. Best in the NFC, but that doesn't mean much. How the Steelers should be criticized for losing 2 overtime games with their immobile 3rd string QB is beyond me. They still ranked top 10 in offense and defense scoring going into this week.

[Jesse2]

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The problem with discussing any sports stuff with you is that you have to be one of the most closed-minded people on this board.

Also, if wins are only wins if they're by more than a field goal than the steelers are 5-5, not 7-3. Furthermore, if wins are only wins if they're by more than 3 points AND against good teams than the steelers are 1-9, not 7-3. The only good team they have beat by more than 3 points was the bengals. Those games can't all be Maddox's fault.

(I'm trying to make some points based on your flawless logic)

[Scott Weber]

I know Josh Brown's been pretty good, he's my fantasy kicker. Cortez missed a chipshot in that game, meaning Seattle should have never got the ball back period. That was luck. Just like how the Bears lucked out on a missed chipshot by TB.
You hype about ypc, well LJ has a better average than Alexander. He's been great this year, and he was great last year when Priest went down.
Jake Plummer's on pace to break Elway's record of 4th quarter comebacks. His career would have been much better if he wasn't in the desert for so many years. Hell he's the only QB to ever lead the Cardinals to a playoff win. It's ridiculous to even think Seattle is a better team than Denver. Who did Seattle beat again? Denver routed the two teams in the SB last year, they beat Dallas on the road on 3 days of preparation. They beat SD, KC, Jax, and Washington. They've had the best record in the league against quality opponents in the first half of the season.
Cincy can strike quickly, they don't need to win time of possession to score. And Rudi and Perry is a good combo, especially when Perry is catching passes out of the backfield. And the defense has ballhawks all over the secondary.
Fuck the record, like people with any knowledge said, Seattle doesn't pass the eye test. They are not a dominant team with any dominant wins against quality opponents. Their playoff record is abysmal. Best in the NFC, but that doesn't mean much. How the Steelers should be criticized for losing 2 overtime games with their immobile 3rd string QB is beyond me. They still ranked top 10 in offense and defense scoring going into this week.
and the hawks have the number 1 offense. you're a walking contradiction, you use stats to justify the teams you like, then pass them off as nothing when it comes to Seattle. I think Denver is a great team, and yes, they may be better than Seattle. I was merely pointing out the flaws in your logic when it came to Plummer and Seattle. Plummer is historically notorious for choking, and even though he's playing better this year, you shouldn't give him any credit. After all, the Hawks are playing much better this year, but you don't give them any credit based on your reasoning. See my point? The Bengals....I just don't buy it. I don't. I think they're a suprising team, but they're young, and they sure as fuck don't have playoff expierence either, so why are you spouting off about them?
I'm enjoying watching you backtrack your argument to how it's now "Seattle is not a dominant team." You're right, they're not. But they deserve credit for what they've done and they've proven themselves a serious threat in the NFC.

People with "any knowledge." I love how condescending you are when you're up against the wall.

[Scott Weber]

The problem with discussing any sports stuff with you is that you have to be one of the most closed-minded people on this board.

Also, if wins are only wins if they're by more than a field goal than the steelers are 5-5, not 7-3. Furthermore, if wins are only wins if they're by more than 3 points AND against good teams than the steelers are 1-9, not 7-3. The only good team they have beat by more than 3 points was the bengals. Those games can't all be Maddox's fault.

(I'm trying to make some points based on your flawless logic)
Nice.

[still_life]

The problem with discussing any sports stuff with you is that you have to be one of the most closed-minded people on this board.
Also, if wins are only wins if they're by more than a field goal than the steelers are 5-5, not 7-3. Furthermore, if wins are only wins if they're by more than 3 points AND against good teams than the steelers are 1-9, not 7-3. The only good team they have beat by more than 3 points was the bengals. Those games can't all be Maddox's fault.
(I'm trying to make some points based on your flawless logic)

My logic? You're trying to call Jacksonville (a team that smacked Seattle) and KC bad teams because of one game they played this year. What is that supposed to mean?

When did I ever say you have to win by more than a FG? I said they have zero dominant wins against good teams, and that's a fact.

and the hawks have the number 1 offense. you're a walking contradiction, you use stats to justify the teams you like, then pass them off as nothing when it comes to Seattle. I think Denver is a great team, and yes, they may be better than Seattle. I was merely pointing out the flaws in your logic when it came to Plummer and Seattle. Plummer is historically notorious for choking, and even though he's playing better this year, you shouldn't give him any credit. After all, the Hawks are playing much better this year, but you don't give them any credit based on your reasoning. See my point? The Bengals....I just don't buy it. I don't. I think they're a suprising team, but they're young, and they sure as fuck don't have playoff expierence either, so why are you spouting off about them?
I'm enjoying watching you backtrack your argument to how it's now "Seattle is not a dominant team." You're right, they're not. But they deserve credit for what they've done and they've proven themselves a serious threat in the NFC.

People with "any knowledge." I love how condescending you are when you're up against the wall.

Up against the wall? It's a bunch of stupid Seahawks fans that should just crawl back into their northwestern hole and leave the rest of the successful NFL world alone. The team goes 9-2 and all of a sudden we have to award them a SB bid. Give me a break.

#1 offense in what, yards? Hollow, meaningless yardage? Forget that. Points are the real measure of an offense, along with other efficiency rankings, and Seattle is not #1 there. Indy and San Diego are better offensive teams.

Since when is Plummer notorious for choking? The guy hardly played a meaningful game in his career until Denver. He threw hardly any passes in Arizona with a lead. It's hard to blame him for what happened in the playoffs the last two years when his defense is getting lit up for 40+.

A "threat in the NFC". Oh wow, you're really struggling to pull something out there. Who gives a rat's ass about which teams are a threat in the NFC? Minnesota could be one right now. Who cares? They're not going to do anything in January. The NFC is just stealing a Super Bowl spot from a damn fine AFC team. Best in the NFC doesn't even matter until the NFC shows it can beat the AFC in the SB like they used to before 1997.

[Scott Weber]

My logic? You're trying to call Jacksonville (a team that smacked Seattle) and KC bad teams because of one game they played this year. What is that supposed to mean?
When did I ever say you have to win by more than a FG? I said they have zero dominant wins against good teams, and that's a fact.
Up against the wall? It's a bunch of stupid Seahawks fans that should just crawl back into their northwestern hole and leave the rest of the successful NFL world alone. The team goes 9-2 and all of a sudden we have to award them a SB bid. Give me a break.
#1 offense in what, yards? Hollow, meaningless yardage? Forget that. Points are the real measure of an offense, along with other efficiency rankings, and Seattle is not #1 there. Indy and San Diego are better offensive teams.
Since when is Plummer notorious for choking? The guy hardly played a meaningful game in his career until Denver. He threw hardly any passes in Arizona with a lead. It's hard to blame him for what happened in the playoffs the last two years when his defense is getting lit up for 40+.
A "threat in the NFC". Oh wow, you're really struggling to pull something out there. Who gives a rat's ass about which teams are a threat in the NFC? Minnesota could be one right now. Who cares? They're not going to do anything in January. The NFC is just stealing a Super Bowl spot from a damn fine AFC team. Best in the NFC doesn't even matter until the NFC shows it can beat the AFC in the SB like they used to before 1997.
Haha, you're getting fired up, I like that. That last paragraph was great. I guess we'll just have to see come 2006, right? Hold on while I do some research on that zero dominant wins against zero good teams stat, I liked that one. I think it's going to hurt you against some of the teams you so belovedly defend. (P.S. - A win is a win, and if the Hawks won a playoff game like they did against NY last week, the giants are sitting at home, and the hawks are in the NFC championship. just a reminder as to how the game of football works.) But you're right, I mean if the hawks only beat Indianapolis by 3 in week 16, it shouldn't even count! I mean, it wasn't a dominant win! Indy is still clearly the better team!

Lemme just review. You're right, yardage means nothing. It's a stupid stat, and they should never refer to it on the screen. It has nothing to do with football, or being a good team. The ability to move the ball up the field is completely irrelevant.

Plummer - i bolded the part where you nailed it. he must be super reliable based on his past, right? right? right?

[Scott Weber]

by the way, your beloved Steelers lost to Jacksonville too, and they have 1 dominant win over 1 good teams (27-13 over the bengals.) Looks like you sqeaked a few out over the Chargers, and the Ravens (nice job losing to them last week) And you crushed those powerhouses of franchises Houston and Tennesee! Nice!

[hockey0001]

by the way, your beloved Steelers lost to Jacksonville too, and they have 1 dominant win over 1 good teams (27-13 over the bengals.) Looks like you sqeaked a few out over the Chargers, and the Ravens (nice job losing to them last week) And you crushed those powerhouses of franchises Houston and Tennesee! Nice!

But the Bengals arent good against good teams. So that win shouldnt count.

[Talib Scottie]

Jacksonville is short a QB, Garrard can run and he's big (East Carolina love) but I'm not sure if he can run the team like Leftwhich.

[still_life]

The Patriots, no matter how much I hate them, put together a very good record over the years against quality opponents (teams with 10+ wins). Even if it seemed like they stole some of those games, they still won them, and did win a lot of them convincingly. That's how you establish yourself in the NFL. The Seahawks don't deserve the same respect as Indy for being the best in their conference, because the competition is just not as good.

Christmas Eve, Indy at Seattle. If each coach wants to see what a possible Super Bowl would be like, they'll play their starters and go at it, and we'll get a good sense of how Seattle measures up. But chances are each team clinches HFA and rests people after a series or two.

Indy is still clearly the better team!

So if the Colts are 14-1, they're all of a sudden not as good as a, let's say, 11-3 Seattle team? Because of a loss? So I guess those 14-2 Patriots weren't as good as the 4-12 Dolphin team they lost to last year? One game doesn't make a season, Colts would still be better than Seattle if they lost, they just weren't better that day, just like how NE wasn't better than Miami that day.

Lemme just review. You're right, yardage means nothing. It's a stupid stat, and they should never refer to it on the screen. It has nothing to do with football, or being a good team. The ability to move the ball up the field is completely irrelevant.

Would you rather see your team put up 450 yards of offense or 45 points on the scoreboard?

Plummer - i bolded the part where you nailed it. he must be super reliable based on his past, right? right? right?

You do realize Arizona hasn't won 10 games in a season in almost 30 years right? Or that since 1922, they're only 2-5 in the playoffs?

[weezer182]

But the Bengals arent good against good teams. So that win shouldnt count. i have to disagree with that. they did beat chicago in chicago and all their loses have been close with the exception of the steelers game

[still_life]

by the way, your beloved Steelers lost to Jacksonville too, and they have 1 dominant win over 1 good teams (27-13 over the bengals.) Looks like you sqeaked a few out over the Chargers, and the Ravens (nice job losing to them last week) And you crushed those powerhouses of franchises Houston and Tennesee! Nice!

They only lost to Jacksonville because Tommy Maddox turned it over 4 times, twice in overtime, and gave his team no offense. Despite having no offense, they were in position to win the game. That's pretty good.

Do you even watch football games not featuing soft Seattle players? Chargers/Steelers was a good game, with each team putting up two scores in the 4th quarter. Steelers just got the ball last.

NFC West is the second worst conference in the NFL. You must feel proud to be in it.

[hockey0001]

i have to disagree with that. they did beat chicago in chicago and all their loses have been close with the exception of the steelers game

I disagree without it too. I was just stating Still_Lifes logic

[weezer182]

I disagree without it too. I was just stating Still_Lifes logic gottcha ;)

[Scott Weber]

The Patriots, no matter how much I hate them, put together a very good record over the years against quality opponents (teams with 10+ wins). Even if it seemed like they stole some of those games, they still won them, and did win a lot of them convincingly. That's how you establish yourself in the NFL. The Seahawks don't deserve the same respect as Indy for being the best in their conference, because the competition is just not as good.
Christmas Eve, Indy at Seattle. If each coach wants to see what a possible Super Bowl would be like, they'll play their starters and go at it, and we'll get a good sense of how Seattle measures up. But chances are each team clinches HFA and rests people after a series or two.
So if the Colts are 14-1, they're all of a sudden not as good as a, let's say, 11-3 Seattle team? Because of a loss? So I guess those 14-2 Patriots weren't as good as the 4-12 Dolphin team they lost to last year? One game doesn't make a season, Colts would still be better than Seattle if they lost, they just weren't better that day, just like how NE wasn't better than Miami that day.
Would you rather see your team put up 450 yards of offense or 45 points on the scoreboard?
You do realize Arizona hasn't won 10 games in a season in almost 30 years right? Or that since 1922, they're only 2-5 in the playoffs?
....do you honestly think I'm asking Seattle to get the same respect as Indy? Come on. Indy is unreal, they're undefeated. I'd say it's a different story. Yeah, we'll get a real look at the matchup on Christmas Eve. You've already left yourself an out though, nothing Seattle can do this year short of winning the Super Bowl is going to make you respect them, so what else can I say? You've provided yourself with a nicely tied-up loophole to every situation that's been provided.

As far as the yards go, stop redirecting it. You can't discount yardage on the ground. Points are more important, but if you can't give ANY credit to Seattle for total yardage, then you really are close-minded.

[Scott Weber]

They only lost to Jacksonville because Tommy Maddox turned it over 4 times, twice in overtime, and gave his team no offense. Despite having no offense, they were in position to win the game. That's pretty good.
Do you even watch football games not featuing soft Seattle players? Chargers/Steelers was a good game, with each team putting up two scores in the 4th quarter. Steelers just got the ball last.
NFC West is the second worst conference in the NFL. You must feel proud to be in it.
I watch all the games I have time for, but considering I watch Seattle every week, that takes away about half the games I can watch, and the east coast games start at 9 or 10 here, so I normally miss the first half of those. I do my best to watch the NFL shows that night though to get a feel/breakdown for the games that week.

[Jesse2]

My logic? You're trying to call Jacksonville (a team that smacked Seattle) and KC bad teams because of one game they played this year. What is that supposed to mean?
When did I ever say you have to win by more than a FG? I said they have zero dominant wins against good teams, and that's a fact.

Maybe you can let me know where I called them bad teams. You were making calls about teams being better than Seattle and I was making a call about Seattle. I don't believe that either of those teams are better than Seattle, though they are both GOOD teams.

Here are some stats you might find interesting. And by find interesting I mean avoid at all costs because it doesn't make the steelers look that great. The steelers opponents this year have a combined record of 41-58. Seattle's opponents, in their "super easy" schedule have a combined record of 53-68.

Also, Seattle had scored 36 more points going into this weekend. Hopefully these stats aren't as meaningless as yards. Which is only meaningless when they're Seattle yards. LT yards on the other hand, mean much more.

[Scott Weber]

Maybe you can let me know where I called them bad teams. You were making calls about teams being better than Seattle and I was making a call about Seattle. I don't believe that either of those teams are better than Seattle, though they are both GOOD teams.

Here are some stats you might find interesting. And by find interesting I mean avoid at all costs because it doesn't make the steelers look that great. The steelers opponents this year have a combined record of 41-58. Seattle's opponents, in their "super easy" schedule have a combined record of 53-68.

Also, Seattle had scored 36 more points going into this weekend. Hopefully these stats aren't as meaningless as yards. Which is only meaningless when they're Seattle yards. LT yards on the other hand, mean much more.
wow, thanks for putting into words what my brain could not. Especially that last sentance...

[still_life]

Maybe you can let me know where I called them bad teams. You were making calls about teams being better than Seattle and I was making a call about Seattle. I don't believe that either of those teams are better than Seattle, though they are both GOOD teams.
Here are some stats you might find interesting. And by find interesting I mean avoid at all costs because it doesn't make the steelers look that great. The steelers opponents this year have a combined record of 41-58. Seattle's opponents, in their "super easy" schedule have a combined record of 53-68.
Also, Seattle had scored 36 more points going into this weekend. Hopefully these stats aren't as meaningless as yards.

You play in the AFC, you deserve extra praise. You play in the NFC West, take it with a grain of salt.

Funny how those records don't add up, as you forgot to include the 10-0 Colts, the best team in the NFL that they have to go on the road to play tonight.

Seattle has scored 36 more points than the Steelers. Your point is? The Steelers aren't going to lead the league in scoring. They control the clock and play good defense. By not allowing many points (#3 scoring defense), they don't need to score many points.

Which is only meaningless when they're Seattle yards. LT yards on the other hand, mean much more.

How is using total yards to call a team the #1 offense the same as using total yards of offense when comparing 2 RB's? Not even close to the same thing. Seattle's not the best offense in the NFL, simple as that.

[justinevans]

i have to disagree with that. they did beat chicago in chicago and all their loses have been close with the exception of the steelers game

kyle orton beat chicago in chicago. he threw 5 interceptions lol.

[weezer182]

kyle orton beat chicago in chicago. he threw 5 interceptions lol. chicago still lost

[im_random]

The papers today pretty much tore Fealy apart. One headline was "Feely the Pain".

What a sad game.

[Drew Beringer]

I rather be a Giants fan than a Packers fan :shake:

[Jesse2]

You play in the AFC, you deserve extra praise. You play in the NFC West, take it with a grain of salt.

it's weird that i don't hear people complaining the same way about NE only making the playoffs because they're in the AFC east.

Funny how those records don't add up, as you forgot to include the 10-0 Colts, the best team in the NFL that they have to go on the road to play tonight.

Those numbers were as of sunday night, it's not some conspiracy. That game will make their opponent's combined record better, but unfortunately give them another loss. Look man, I don't hate the steelers, and there have been plenty of times I've rooted for them against teams i despise, but here's the thing... you don't factor in stats about afc teams the same way you do about seattle and nfc teams. at least TRY to be somewhat fair and open-minded.

are the seahawks the best team in the nfl? of course not. but do they deserve a little more recognition than they've been getting? i believe so. when you have sports reporters dry humping teams like the patriots or panthers, but ignoring a team like the seahawks it can be pretty frustrating for their fans.

the seahwaks can't help their schedule, or division. the colts, as great as they are, had a super easy schedule, but that doesn't mean people doubt that they are any good. sure, they ALMOST lost last night, but they ALMOST beat the redskins too. Almost isn't a stat, and for good reason, it doesn't really matter. just give credit where credit is due.

[im_random]

I rather be a Giants fan than a Packers fan :shake:

True. I was at a bar so the Giants were on one tv and the Packers were on the other so I caught some glimpses..it was looking okay for awhile..then all of a sudden it just went downhill.

[still_life]

it's weird that i don't hear people complaining the same way about NE only making the playoffs because they're in the AFC east.

When I called the NFC West the 2nd worst division in football, it's because the AFC East is the worst division. It's a shame NE will steal a playoff spot and home game from a superior team.

when you have sports reporters dry humping teams like the patriots or panthers, but ignoring a team like the seahawks it can be pretty frustrating for their fans.

No one's praising NE anymore, rightfully so. Carolina lost a lot of attention after losing to Chicago, a team that now has the media attention. That's how the NFL works. Still, people outside of Seattle don't believe there is a dominant NFC team this year like year's past, and are still waiting for one. Will it be Seattle? Maybe, but they haven't shown it yet. I'm not saying this team sucks or anything, but I just don't see how best in the NFC means much this year.

[Spicoli hey bud]

When I called the NFC West the 2nd worst division in football, it's because the AFC East is the worst division. It's a shame NE will steal a playoff spot and home game from a superior team.
Miami is 2 games back with 5 to go including 1 in NE.
Buffalo is also 2 back

[Caleb Cattivera]

The Patriots, no matter how much I hate them, put together a very good record over the years against quality opponents (teams with 10+ wins). Even if it seemed like they stole some of those games, they still won them, and did win a lot of them convincingly. That's how you establish yourself in the NFL. The Seahawks don't deserve the same respect as Indy for being the best in their conference, because the competition is just not as good.

Christmas Eve, Indy at Seattle. If each coach wants to see what a possible Super Bowl would be like, they'll play their starters and go at it, and we'll get a good sense of how Seattle measures up. But chances are each team clinches HFA and rests people after a series or two.



So if the Colts are 14-1, they're all of a sudden not as good as a, let's say, 11-3 Seattle team? Because of a loss? So I guess those 14-2 Patriots weren't as good as the 4-12 Dolphin team they lost to last year? One game doesn't make a season, Colts would still be better than Seattle if they lost, they just weren't better that day, just like how NE wasn't better than Miami that day.



Would you rather see your team put up 450 yards of offense or 45 points on the scoreboard?



You do realize Arizona hasn't won 10 games in a season in almost 30 years right? Or that since 1922, they're only 2-5 in the playoffs?

actually the cardinals are 3-5 not 2-5.

[Jesse2]

When I called the NFC West the 2nd worst division in football, it's because the AFC East is the worst division. It's a shame NE will steal a playoff spot and home game from a superior team.
No one's praising NE anymore, rightfully so. Carolina lost a lot of attention after losing to Chicago, a team that now has the media attention. That's how the NFL works. Still, people outside of Seattle don't believe there is a dominant NFC team this year like year's past, and are still waiting for one. Will it be Seattle? Maybe, but they haven't shown it yet. I'm not saying this team sucks or anything, but I just don't see how best in the NFC means much this year.

valid points.

i think another thing you need to keep in mind, is that the seahawks, historically, haven't been that good. they've had some glimmers of hope, but it hasn't been easy. i think the highlight of my seahwaks-fan-tenure was when steve largent was on a wheaties box (which i still have). it's not like the steelers, who have won their division 74 years in a row. it's hard to be a seahawks fan and not get a tad overzealous with the team this year.

i honestly don't care if people think they're the best team in the nfc, results are all i really care about. it's definitely looking like they'll have HFA, and they aren't easy to beat at home.

[YouMadeTheScene]

I just want to know if Weber thinks Seattle would be the Giants again, and if they would win on a Neutral Field.

[Jesse2]

I just want to know if Weber thinks Seattle would be the Giants again, and if they would win on a Neutral Field.

i'm willing to bet he does. especially after the two bogus touchdowns the giants had.

[Scott Weber]

I just want to know if Weber thinks Seattle would be the Giants again, and if they would win on a Neutral Field.
Honestly, I do believe so. The Hawks played poorly all day long, and still should have won that game. I won't call the Toomer touchdown bogus, there's no way to tell and without indisputible evidence the refs made the right call. But the Shockey TD....no way. That's a 4 point difference and there's no FG to attempt with 4 seconds left...they're going Hail mary instead. They're a couple of very evenly matched teams, and if it were in NYC, I'd give an edge to NY based on yesterday. But on Neutral, I'd still go with Seattle.

[getupkid53]

I'd bet money the Bears showed up and kicked both their asses just for looking funny. I guarantee it.

NFC Championchip game - Chicago Bears 400, Seattle. -30

[Jesse2]

I'd bet money the Bears showed up and kicked both their asses just for looking funny. I guarantee it.

NFC Championchip game - Chicago Bears 400, Seattle. -30

are you talking about the bears or a team of chuck norris clones?

[fluke182]

You crack me up, man...it's obvious that nothing Seattle/Alexander does will make you respect them, so that's fine. You can remain doubtful, but the record speaks for itself - 9-2. (by the way, that makes us 6-0 at home this year, and 8-0 last year I believe in case you lost track.) A win's a win, and Seattle's crowd definitely caused a ton of those false starts....plus, Shockey didn't deserve that TD in the first half, which was the difference between a touchdown and a FG, making the missed field goal at the end of regulation irrelevant.
Don't worry about him. He's just an angry Steelers fan with no sense of respect for other peoples opinions and an extreme case of being narrow minded.