LT vs. Alexander - Through 11 games

[still_life]

Total Offense
LT: 277 touches for 1448 yards, 5.2 ypt, 22 TDs
SA: 273 touches for 1391 yards, 5.1 ypt, 20 TDs

Rushing
LT: 236 carries for 1086 yards, 4.6 ypc, 17 TDs
SA: 263 carries for 1339 yards, 5.1 ypc, 20 TDs

Receiving
LT: 37 catches for 315 yards, 8.5 ypc, 2 TDs
SA: 10 catches for 52 yards, 5.2 ypc, 0 TDs

Passing
LT: 3/4 for 47 yards, 3 TDs
SA: n/a

Other
LT: 5 100 yard rushing games, 6 multi-TD games, scored in 10 of 11 games
SA: 8 100 yard rushing games, 6 multi-TD games, scored in 9 of 11 games

Rushing Defenses Faced Rankings
LT: 9th, 2nd, 6th, 23rd, 3rd, 20th, 16th, 5th, 30th, 31st, 14th
SA: 17th, 22nd, 18th, 14th, 27th, 32nd, 9th, 18th, 27th, 24th, 6th

This board must be packed with the most delusional Seattle fans, see the thread and poll result. Not even close

http://www.kffl.com/forums/showthread.php?t=151693

[somethingyellow]

................waits for weber to reply

[NetNerdsRevenge]

It would be interesting to see their lines vs the toughest defense they have faced and vs the easiest.

[still_life]

It would be interesting to see their lines vs the toughest defense they have faced and vs the easiest.

How about against the same defense?

Vs. Washington:
LT: 25 carries, 184 yards, 3 TDs, 6 catches for 29 yards
SA: 20 carries, 98 yards, 1 TD, 1 catch for 4 yards

Vs. Dallas:
LT: 19 carries for 72 yards, 1 TD
SA: 21 carries for 61 yards

Vs. Giants:
LT: 21 carries for 192 yards, 3 TDs, 6 catches for 28 yards, 26 yard TD pass
SA: 31 carries for 110 yards, 1 TD, 1 catch for 4 yards

Advantage: LT on all 3

[afk999]

LT is definitely the better player he has been great every game this year except for one and is much more versatile

[Scott Weber]

hahahahahahahah KFFL is from California. Talk about delusional poll results. relevant? maybe, maybe not.

It's also a fantasy site, and with LT's recieving numbers, he's a fantasy dream.

[still_life]

hahahahahahahah KFFL is from California, you dipshit. Talk about delusional poll results. You also only showed the sides of the stats that defend your argument. Yeah, that really "settles" it. Haha.

That was one of the most pathetic replies I've ever seen to anything on the net. "KFFL is from California" wtf are you even talking about? That's a thread on a forum, like this one, where people from all over reply, people that obviously aren't as stupid as you. There are plenty of Seattle fans that voted too. Anyone with common sense and eyes can see LT is the better RB this year, last year, the year before, next year, etc.

And what else should I show? How many times Alexander shys away from contact? Wait, that wouldn't help your side.

[Scott Weber]

I just find it funny how Still Life continues to create new arguments against Alexander, yet there's never been one individual argument that he's stuck with (until now)

[Scott Weber]

definitely a hasty response, which is why i edited it. When I saw KFFL, I assumed call letters and checked the contact info - saw that it was based in California. Further inspection proved otherwise...oh well.

As far as the 2nd part goes, Alexander definitely avoids contact at times, he's a patient runner who waits for holes to open up before he bursts through. Hitting defensive linemen head on isn't always the way to go. Shaun's style is obviously working just fine for him, considering he may crack 2000 yards this year. Hardly something to complain about. Are you going to complain about Bettis not waiting for holes to open up? No, he has a different style of running.

Also, let's keep it civil in here dude....heated arguments are entertaining, but let's not take it up a notch, then it's against forum rules, blah blah. that's why i edited my response.

[still_life]

There's nothing fantasy related or California related in that thread. Like I said, a thread on a forum no different than one on here. And looking at who voted for LT, I see Seattle fans, Chiefs fans, Miami fans, Patriot fans, Steeler fans, Rams fans, and yes, some Charger fans. No real bias though, Seahawk fans even know it's LT.

There's a time to shy away, and a time to fight for extra yardage. I don't see much fight in Alexander.

He won't crack 2000. Seattle's dumb if they keep giving him many carries the rest of the way. RB's need to rest up for a playoff run. And plus he doesn't have any more games against the Cardinals and Texans to pad his numbers against. Look at LT's competition. He's faced multiple top 10 and top 5 rushing D's, while Alexander is facing bottom dwellers.

[Scott Weber]

There's nothing fantasy related or California related in that thread. Like I said, a thread on a forum no different than one on here. And looking at who voted for LT, I see Seattle fans, Chiefs fans, Miami fans, Patriot fans, Steeler fans, Rams fans, and yes, some Charger fans. No real bias though, Seahawk fans even know it's LT.
There's a time to shy away, and a time to fight for extra yardage. I don't see much fight in Alexander.
He won't crack 2000. Seattle's dumb if they keep giving him many carries the rest of the way. RB's need to rest up for a playoff run. And plus he doesn't have any more games against the Cardinals and Texans to pad his numbers against. Look at LT's competition. He's faced multiple top 10 and top 5 rushing D's, while Alexander is facing bottom dwellers.
yeah - like I said, it was hasty, and i misinterpreted it. done?

How many Seattle games have you watched this year? Just curious. Shaun always looks careless and laid back, but you can't argue with results. I have second guessed him a ton this year, but we're still winning games and he's still coming up with big plays when it counts, so...

LT is having a great season, he's more athletic, he's more versatile. with all those numbers, i would vote for him as a better overall back - i'd take him on my team before Shaun. But it's stil hard to ignore Shaun's Red Zone statistics, his YPC, and his touchdowns. I know the hawk's schedule is weak, but it's not like Shaun has dissapeared in those games, he's just been slowed down. I'm so sick of defending Alexander at this point. You can walk away with a win in this debate if you want, I don't even care anymore. This is getting ridiculous. The numbers are in LT's favor here....unlike that ridiculous priest holmes argument in the red zone.

[asianxcore]

Key Stat
Seahawks - 9-2
Chargers - 7-4
I would rather have Alexander, he does his job better as a "running back."

[still_life]

Did you even look at the numbers for Holmes in 02-04? He's the best there is.

Key Stat
Seahawks - 9-2
Chargers - 7-4

Team stat, you mean. Why should that matter? Did LT throw a pick 6 to Champ Bailey in Denver? Did LT have his FG blocked and returned for a TD in Philly? Did LT play bad defense and let the Steelers drive for a FG? Did Marty even use his best player near the goal line against Dallas? No. They're not losing because of LT, but he's definitely a huge reason for why they're winning.

[Scott Weber]

Did you even look at the numbers for Holmes in 02-04? He's the best there is.

Yes I did, now compare them to Shaun this year and tell me he was better in the Red Zone than Shaun has been this year. 16 touchdowns. 36 carries.

[justinevans]

atleast the eagles did something this year and that was shut down LT. hahaha next up shaun alexander.

[Spicoli hey bud]

Key Stat
Seahawks - 9-2
Chargers - 7-4
I would rather have Alexander, he does his job better as a "running back."
The complete opposite, Shaun is still the MVP, but I'd rather have LT on my team.

[justinevans]

Key Stat
Seahawks - 9-2
Chargers - 7-4
I would rather have Alexander, he does his job better as a "running back."


but does LT ever complain about winning rushing titles? no.

he does his business.

seattle has the best line in the league. i could not imagine what LT would do there.

[still_life]

Yes I did, now compare them to Shaun this year and tell me he was better in the Red Zone than Shaun has been this year. 16 touchdowns. 36 carries.

22 on 44 > 16 on 36.

[still_life]

but does LT ever complain about winning rushing titles? no.
he does his business.
seattle has the best line in the league. i could not imagine what LT would do there.

I wish more people would see it that way, Alexander's line is ridiculously good on the left, and playing very well this year. LT doesn't have one dominant o-lineman, while Alexander has 2 on one side. And they got a C in the first round of the draft this year, so he'll probably be pretty good in the future.

[justinevans]

I wish more people would see it that way, Alexander's line is ridiculously good on the left, and playing very well this year. LT doesn't have one dominant o-lineman, while Alexander has 2 on one side. And they got a C in the first round of the draft this year, so he'll probably be pretty good in the future.

yeah alexander is still a great running back, but I'd take LT over him.

[selftitled85]

but does LT ever complain about winning rushing titles? no.
he does his business.
seattle has the best line in the league. i could not imagine what LT would do there.


seattles line was totally pwned by the giants on sun. osi completely wrecked the left tackle who in one of the espn articles was stated as the best tackle in the nfc...

sorry i just felt like adding this completely random fact.

also...id take lt because he is much more versatile. run or pass he is dangerous and for being a small guy he will go head on.

shaun is one of those beasts who just wears you out. ie: the giants. giants stopped him all game until the 4th where shaun just turned it up like 20 notches.

[Spicoli hey bud]

shaun is one of those beasts who just wears you out. ie: the giants. giants stopped him all game until the 4th where shaun just turned it up like 20 notches.
He may be smaller, but LT also wears defenses down as the game goes on. He's a big time late game runner as well.

[selftitled85]

He may be smaller, but LT also wears defenses down as the game goes on. He's a big time late game runner as well.

well yeah he is but with lt its like constant 5 yd runs and then it goes on all game. then in the last quarter tose 5yd runs turn to 10 or more

while shaun it seems like he goes from getting 3 or so yds to 6 or 7 and then all of a sudden its like 10 yds like nothing.

and if you want to talk about patience for hitting the hole you need to talk about tiki. his run against the hawks in ot was great. tiki has great speed in hitting the hole though not great breakaway speed. but he definitely is one of the most patient backs out there.

[Scott Weber]

22 on 44 > 16 on 36.
you're reporting the wrong stats dude :) Can't you admit you're wrong? The 22 out of 44 was for Priest inside the 10, the 16 for 36 for Shaun was inside the 20. Comparing on the same basis:


Inside the 20, advantage Shaun. 16 TDs, 36 carries. Priest in 2003 (what you keep going back to) 25 TDs, 75 carries.

Inside the 10, advantage Shaun. 13 TDs, 19 carries. Priest - 22 TDs, 44 carries. What's the better ratio?

Game, set, match.

[Caleb Cattivera]

you're reporting the wrong stats dude :) Can't you admit you're wrong? The 22 out of 44 was for Priest inside the 10, the 16 for 36 for Shaun was inside the 20. Comparing on the same basis:


Inside the 20, advantage Shaun. 16 TDs, 36 carries. Priest in 2003 (what you keep going back to) 25 TDs, 75 carries.

Inside the 10, advantage Shaun. 13 TDs, 19 carries. Priest - 22 TDs, 44 carries. What's the better ratio?

Game, set, match.

boomshakala.

[Scott Weber]

boomshakala.
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[YouMadeTheScene]

To me this is how I see it. LT is one of those once in a lifetime talents. Shaun Alexander is a great back don't get me wrong. And when he is retired I think he'll be seen as a great back and Hall of Famer, but LT I think may go down with the names like Payton, Sayers,and Brown. Alexander will be with the names like Smith and Allen.

LT just has that something extra. I think the biggest argument for me without stats is the fact that Alexander has a really solid line and basically run to that left side constantly. If LT was running behind those guys it would be out of this world.

[Scott Weber]

To me this is how I see it. LT is one of those once in a lifetime talents. Shaun Alexander is a great back don't get me wrong. And when he is retired I think he'll be seen as a great back and Hall of Famer, but LT I think may go down with the names like Payton, Sayers,and Brown. Alexander will be with the names like Smith and Allen.

LT just has that something extra. I think the biggest argument for me without stats is the fact that Alexander has a really solid line and basically run to that left side constantly. If LT was running behind those guys it would be out of this world.
I would just like to point out that Alexander averages 6.8 yards per carry to the right side and 4.7 to the left, 56 carries and 76 carries, respectively.....so enough with the whole cheapening of his stats by how good the left side of the line is.

[justinevans]

seattles line was totally pwned by the giants on sun. osi completely wrecked the left tackle who in one of the espn articles was stated as the best tackle in the nfc...
sorry i just felt like adding this completely random fact.
also...id take lt because he is much more versatile. run or pass he is dangerous and for being a small guy he will go head on.
shaun is one of those beasts who just wears you out. ie: the giants. giants stopped him all game until the 4th where shaun just turned it up like 20 notches.

so that is one game....the eagles held LT to 7 yds if u really want to talk about stopping people.

[mat1419]

very simple...both teams win overtime games yesterday. alexander had a great day helping his team win. LT won the game for his team.

[mat1419]

I would just like to point out that Alexander averages 6.8 yards per carry to the right side and 4.7 to the left, 56 carries and 76 carries, respectively.....so enough with the whole cheapening of his stats by how good the left side of the line is.
i do love the shockey clip...

[YouMadeTheScene]

I would just like to point out that Alexander averages 6.8 yards per carry to the right side and 4.7 to the left, 56 carries and 76 carries, respectively.....so enough with the whole cheapening of his stats by how good the left side of the line is.

so hes running 20 more carries form the left side wouldn't that bring down YPC. And how about touchdowns from each side.

[Fullcollapse3k]

Debating who's had the better season or who the better, more talented back is?

We can debate who's having the better season, but it's no contest as to who the better back is. Give me Tomlinson.

[YouMadeTheScene]

Debating who's had the better season or who the better, more talented back is?

We can debate who's having the better season, but it's no contest as to who the better back is. Give me Tomlinson.

That is bascially my sentiment. LT is just a once in a lifetime talent.

[Fullcollapse3k]

That is bascially my sentiment. LT is just a once in a lifetime talent.

He'll rank right up there with the best to ever play by the time his career's done.

Alexander's an excellent back, and he's gonna win the rushing title. His team's having a great season, and at this point he's the MVP of the league.

He's still not close to Tomlinson's level. No RB in football is.

[YouMadeTheScene]

He'll rank right up there with the best to ever play by the time his career's done.

Alexander's an excellent back, and he's gonna win the rushing title. His team's having a great season, and at this point he's the MVP of the league.

He's still not close to Tomlinson's level. No RB in football is.

exactly I made the comparison before I think that Tomlinson is in that legend category with Payton, Sayers, and Brown. I still think Alexander could be a HOF guy a guy maybe like a Marcus Allen or Emitt Smith. I think Smith is the best comparison. Behind a great line. Very patient. Still a great back but not one of those once in a lifetime talents IMO.

[Talib Scottie]

LT is a gamebreaker, Shaun is consistant. They're both the best at what they do.

[Scott Weber]

so hes running 20 more carries form the left side wouldn't that bring down YPC. And how about touchdowns from each side.
what? it's 56 carries to 76, not 20 to 200. There's enough carries from each side to merit accurate YPC numbers.... and 6.8 is a lot better than 4.7...That doesn't make any sense. I'm just saying, everyone needs to shut up about Alexander only being good because of the left side of the line, because the numbers this year don't back it up.

[Caleb Cattivera]

what? it's 56 carries to 76, not 20 to 200. There's enough carries from each side to merit accurate YPC numbers.... and 6.8 is a lot better than 4.7...That doesn't make any sense. I'm just saying, everyone needs to shut up about Alexander only being good because of the left side of the line, because the numbers this year don't back it up.

he's heating up!

[YouMadeTheScene]

what? it's 56 carries to 76, not 20 to 200. There's enough carries from each side to merit accurate YPC numbers.... and 6.8 is a lot better than 4.7...That doesn't make any sense. I'm just saying, everyone needs to shut up about Alexander only being good because of the left side of the line, because the numbers this year don't back it up.


man people rely to much on numbers, and these aren't completly accurate when you think about it sir. In 20 extra carries a lot could happen. And the numbers don't tell the story a game does. You obviously watch the Seahawks, and you would know that they are a much better team running to the left side. I mean unless every football analyst in the leauge that points that out is wrong.

[Scott Weber]

man people rely to much on numbers, and these aren't completly accurate when you think about it sir. In 20 extra carries a lot could happen. And the numbers don't tell the story a game does. You obviously watch the Seahawks, and you would know that they are a much better team running to the left side. I mean unless every football analyst in the leauge that points that out is wrong.
Analysts point out that the left side is very strong, but this year you can't ignore that big of a statistical difference, man. I know stats aren't everything, but it's a large difference and enough to easily dissuade anyone that says Alexander is only good because of Walter Jones and the left side. I do watch the seahawks, and as the numbers show, Alexander has rushed even better to the right side. is this because defenses expect left and crash left? Perhaps, but it's still interesting.

[Spicoli hey bud]

Alexander has struggled without Walter Jones in the past. But then again, his struggles are still better than most backs in the league.

[YouMadeTheScene]

Analysts point out that the left side is very strong, but this year you can't ignore that big of a statistical difference, man. I know stats aren't everything, but it's a large difference and enough to easily dissuade anyone that says Alexander is only good because of Walter Jones and the left side. I do watch the seahawks, and as the numbers show, Alexander has rushed even better to the right side. is this because defenses expect left and crash left? Perhaps, but it's still interesting.

I've never said that Alexander is only good because of his line. He is a great back. But I think he is in the company of Emmitt Smith (not bad company) where he is a great back whose stats are slightly inflated by a great line. Smith is great no matter what but to behind a line like he had he was so much better.

[Scott Weber]

I've never said that Alexander is only good because of his line. He is a great back. But I think he is in the company of Emmitt Smith (not bad company) where he is a great back whose stats are slightly inflated by a great line. Smith is great no matter what but to behind a line like he had he was so much better.
Emmit Smith was consistent for years and years, with different linemen. But that's beside the point. I'm not talking to you specifically, you only just jumped in this debate that's been going on all day. The stats aren't referred towards you as much as everyone else I've been talking too.

[YouMadeTheScene]

Emmit Smith was consistent for years and years, with different linemen. But that's beside the point. I'm not talking to you specifically, you only just jumped in this debate that's been going on all day. The stats aren't referred towards you as much as everyone else I've been talking too.

Emmit always had a great line though. I don't remember a year when he was with the Cowboys that he didn't have a great line. Like I said I think Emmit was a great and consistent RB and was aided by a great line just like i think Shaun Alexander is.