Mets Get Wagner

[xearlynovemberx]

and meanwhile i thought the braves or redsox would
silly me

[weezer182]

i still have a feeling the mets wont be great this year but we will see

[xearlynovemberx]

please god please let the mets strike a deal for manny

[hockey0001]

please god please let the mets strike a deal for manny

As long as they send David Wright to Boston as part of the deal. Maybe they include Wagner in the deal now too.

[xearlynovemberx]

As long as they send David Wright to Boston as part of the deal. Maybe they include Wagner in the deal now too.

ur kidding right?
theres no fucking way there gunna trade WRIGHT
and they just signed wagner

thts like me saying maybe the redsox will send beckett

[hockey0001]

ur kidding right?
theres no fucking way there gunna trade WRIGHT
and they just signed wagner

thts like me saying maybe the redsox will send beckett

Yea, the Wagner part is more wishful thinking than anything. I know theres no way that they are trading Wright, which is why is dont see a trade between the Mets and Sox happening, unless a 3rd team gets involved.

[xearlynovemberx]

Yea, the Wagner part is more wishful thinking than anything. I know theres no way that they are trading Wright, which is why is dont see a trade between the Mets and Sox happening, unless a 3rd team gets involved.

they want mildege...im sure somethings gunna be worked out maybe they re-explore the scenriao that was there last year with the drays and what not but i dont see much of a need for baez now maybe as a setup man but who knows

[hockey0001]

they want mildege...im sure somethings gunna be worked out maybe they re-explore the scenriao that was there last year with the drays and what not but i dont see much of a need for baez now maybe as a setup man but who knows

The trade during the season fell apart because the Reds wouldnt give up Dunn. The Sox don't want to trade Manny, so they probably won't make a trade that isnt close to equal value.

[Emopunkthrice]

Mets buy OF Redman's contract from Pirates

[Emopunkthrice]

The trade during the season fell apart because the Reds wouldnt give up Dunn. The Sox don't want to trade Manny, so they probably won't make a trade that isnt close to equal value.
I thought The D-Rays were in this one, sending baez and huff to the red sox or something?

[xearlynovemberx]

I thought The D-Rays were in this one, sending baez and huff to the red sox or something?

yeah ur right but the mets were getting baez

the deal was something along these lines i dont exactley remember

mets get:
manny
baez
lugo

drays-prospects

bosox
prospect from mets(mildege)
huff
cameron

[hockey0001]

I thought The D-Rays were in this one, sending baez and huff to the red sox or something?

They were, it was a 4 team deal. If boston could have gotten Dunn from the Reds then it would have happened.

[YouMadeTheScene]

I'm a yankee fan and maybe it's just my bias for the mets but I mean doesn't it seem like whenever the mets go on these buying sprees the player never pans out well?

I mean i think Wagner is good but before this year when he left the Astros people were saying he was washed up. Delgado I really am just iffy about. I don't know why, but he'll probably turn out good.

Good for the mets though. I still hate them but hey you're making the yankees look like saints with all your spending.

[Broken Parachute]

please god please let the mets strike a deal for manny

Do you REALLY want that asshole on the Mets? Then again, he's just..Manny being Manny. :P

[hockey0001]

Do you REALLY want that asshole on the Mets? Then again, he's just..Manny being Manny. :P

Please describe how Manny is an asshole.

[Broken Parachute]

1) He does not want to come to New York.
2) He's not as good as people say he is..the Mets can get cheaper players that will perform better.
3) He's arrogant.

Why would you want him on the team? He can't run..he's gonna be like Sheffield and demand to go anywhere but NY. If you want him, I don't care..but we all have different opinions, I just don't like him.

[hockey0001]

1) He does not want to come to New York.
2) He's not as good as people say he is..the Mets can get cheaper players that will perform better.
3) He's arrogant.

Why would you want him on the team? He can't run..he's gonna be like Sheffield and demand to go anywhere but NY. If you want him, I don't care..but we all have different opinions, I just don't like him.

1. thats his choice. He wants to go out west
2. He is, look at his numbers.
3. He might be arrogant, but its not to a level of obnoxiousness like many other pros

[YouMadeTheScene]

I hate Manny. Great Offense I agree. has a great swing. But he is so arrogant and he doesn't play hard on defense, I mean the guy was out in the field with a water bottle on his pocket. I just don't have any tolerance for guys who don't work hard.

[hockey0001]

I hate Manny. Great Offense I agree. has a great swing. But he is so arrogant and he doesn't play hard on defense, I mean the guy was out in the field with a water bottle on his pocket. I just don't have any tolerance for guys who don't work hard.

This is one of the biggest misconceptions of Manny. He is one of the hardest workers on the Red Sox. Always one of the first ones to the ballpark to work on his swing and his defense. He watches more video of pitchers than just about anyone. He isnt as bad in the field as people think. He's an average fielder who makes the occaisonal great play. The problem is that he also makes some of the dumbest and most absurd plays (diving cut-off from the centerfielder) and those are what people remember and what his reputation is based off of.

[Anton Djamoos]

Man, the Mets are incredible on paper this year. They should be good but in all likelihood, they won't be just because they're the Mets. Here's hoping for a playoff season.

[YouMadeTheScene]

This is one of the biggest misconceptions of Manny. He is one of the hardest workers on the Red Sox. Always one of the first ones to the ballpark to work on his swing and his defense. He watches more video of pitchers than just about anyone. He isnt as bad in the field as people think. He's an average fielder who makes the occaisonal great play. The problem is that he also makes some of the dumbest and most absurd plays (diving cut-off from the centerfielder) and those are what people remember and what his reputation is based off of.


I'm sorry i just don't buy it. I mean the guy seems to have a lake of real care out in the field. I think he has a beautiful swing. An Offensive powerhouse on the offensive side, but I really just can't stand him otherwise. The way he has jerked around the Red Sox (holy shit im defending the red sox I'm going to hell) just drives me nuts.

[hockey0001]

I'm sorry i just don't buy it. I mean the guy seems to have a lake of real care out in the field. I think he has a beautiful swing. An Offensive powerhouse on the offensive side, but I really just can't stand him otherwise. The way he has jerked around the Red Sox (holy shit im defending the red sox I'm going to hell) just drives me nuts.

I think that once you see Manny play everyday and he's on your team you see all the effort that he actually does put in. I hope that he stays in Boston because it will be nearly impossible to replace his bat through any trade.

[NetNerdsRevenge]

Overpaid.

I hope the Mets realize they could of signed 3-4 RP for the money they're paying Wagner and gotten the same value with more IP.


[2) He's not as good as people say he is..the Mets can get cheaper players that will perform better.
Who are these players you speak of?

[xearlynovemberx]

Overpaid.

I hope the Mets realize they could of signed 3-4 RP for the money they're paying Wagner and gotten the same value with more IP.



Who are these players you speak of?

adam dunn is a possibilty

[NetNerdsRevenge]

adam dunn is a possibilty
Lets look at HR Avg OBP and SLG. Pretty simple stats

Dunn: career 158 home runs, career .248 avg, .383 obp, and a .518 slg.

Manny: career 435 home runs with 7 more seasons (im not counting his 1993 season, he got 53 AB). Dunn would need 7 seasons of 40 home runs to match manny's totals. career .314 avg, .409 obp, and .599 slg.

Ill take Manny.

[leafsacc]

the Wagner signing is huge simply because it removes Looper. This could mean a 10 game improvment.

[Emopunkthrice]

I know I can't say much but the
Heat are looking alot like the Mets right now.

[NetNerdsRevenge]

I know I can't say much but the
Heat are looking alot like the Mets right now.
Did you just compare basketball to baseball?

you should never do that. baseball > basketball 8 trillion times over.

[YourLatestVicti]

Did you just compare basketball to baseball?

you should never do that. baseball > basketball 8 trillion times over.
I wouldn't say that baseball is better than basketball but you still can't compare the two because basketball in my opinion is more reliant on the entire team.

[xearlynovemberx]

Lets look at HR Avg OBP and SLG. Pretty simple stats

Dunn: career 158 home runs, career .248 avg, .383 obp, and a .518 slg.

Manny: career 435 home runs with 7 more seasons (im not counting his 1993 season, he got 53 AB). Dunn would need 7 seasons of 40 home runs to match manny's totals. career .314 avg, .409 obp, and .599 slg.

Ill take Manny.

apparently the mets and red sox are holding serious discussions about manny

[afk999]

mets wont come in any higher than third in the division this year

[NetNerdsRevenge]

I wouldn't say that baseball is better than basketball but you still can't compare the two because basketball in my opinion is more reliant on the entire team.
Which is one of the reasons I love baseball so much. It relies heavily on individual achievement, yet, as the Yanks (no shot on the yankees, just an example) have shown us, a team compiled of the best, or close to the best players at their given position, is not an automatic lock for a championship. There is still that team element.

[hockey0001]

Did you just compare basketball to baseball?

you should never do that. baseball > basketball 8 trillion times over.

Thats true for pro basketball. But college basketball is good to watch.

[hockey0001]

apparently the mets and red sox are holding serious discussions about manny

They said they are going to have discussions during the winter meetings.

[NetNerdsRevenge]

apparently the mets and red sox are holding serious discussions about manny
Well, the Red Sox FO is not stupid. If they can trade Manny and clear his contract it may hurt them this year, but it could benefit them for 07, 08, and so on. Unfortunately for the Mets, Minaya is stupid and traded away one prospect the sox would no doubt want, Petit (spelling?), and traded a young 1b who had the potential to post the same numbers as Delgado. The Mets will have to put together a very lucrative contract lined with top-of-the-line prospects and 2006 impact players for a deal to go through. However, if a 3 or 4 team deal were in place where the Sox could grab premier prospects and a power hitter to fill in for Manny, I would be very interested.

Personally, I would like to see him stay, but if trading him will make us better down the road, thanks for your service, Manny,

[NetNerdsRevenge]

Thats true for pro basketball. But college basketball is good to watch.
yes, let me clarify. NBA sucks, but the NCAA is good. BC looks good and Florida is ranked! I just wish the NCAA tourny would come back to nor-cal so I can go again. Its been quite some time since they held a round here.

[hockey0001]

yes, let me clarify. NBA sucks, but the NCAA is good. BC looks good and Florida is ranked! I just wish the NCAA tourny would come back to nor-cal so I can go again. Its been quite some time since they held a round here.

Uconn is looking good too which is great

[Emopunkthrice]

Did you just compare basketball to baseball?
you should never do that. baseball > basketball 8 trillion times over.
Yeah I did, I have a feeling the mets will a last year yankee type season...without making the playoffs.

[NetNerdsRevenge]

Uconn is looking good too which is great
eh, I was born on all things Boston as a kid. That grew into all things Massachusetts, and soon, New England. (some how Florida university got in there.) I'm not a big fan of Uconn, but I will root for the big east, especially them, before anyone else after BC and Florida are out.

[hockey0001]

eh, I was born on all things Boston as a kid. That grew into all things Massachusetts, and soon, New England. (some how Florida university got in there.) I'm not a big fan of Uconn, but I will root for the big east, especially them, before anyone else after BC and Florida are out.

Same here with Massachusetts teams. Never really like BC though, was always more of a fan of BU, and now i go to Uconn so thats why i like them.

[xearlynovemberx]

Well, the Red Sox FO is not stupid. If they can trade Manny and clear his contract it may hurt them this year, but it could benefit them for 07, 08, and so on. Unfortunately for the Mets, Minaya is stupid and traded away one prospect the sox would no doubt want, Petit (spelling?), and traded a young 1b who had the potential to post the same numbers as Delgado. The Mets will have to put together a very lucrative contract lined with top-of-the-line prospects and 2006 impact players for a deal to go through. However, if a 3 or 4 team deal were in place where the Sox could grab premier prospects and a power hitter to fill in for Manny, I would be very interested.

Personally, I would like to see him stay, but if trading him will make us better down the road, thanks for your service, Manny,

id give nady floyd? mildege and another prospect or 2 and maybe they would do it then

[NetNerdsRevenge]

Same here with Massachusetts teams. Never really like BC though, was always more of a fan of BU, and now i go to Uconn so thats why i like them.
See, next year I plan on attending Umass, and after a couple years transferring to Northeastern. Guess I better start jumping on the Minutemen and Huskies bandwagon.

[NetNerdsRevenge]

id give nady floyd? mildege and another prospect or 2 and maybe they would do it then
I dont know enough about the Mets farm system to comment on this. What are some top prospects in your organization? To me Nady, Floyd, and Mildege just isnt enough. Although Mildege would be a great pick up.

[Goodbye Forever]

1. Reyes, SS
2. Beltran, CF
3. Wright, 3B
4. Delgado, 1B
5. Floyd, LF
6. Molina/Hernandez, C
7. Diaz, RF
8. Matsui, 2B

1. Martinez
2. Benson
3. Glavine
4/5. Seo/Trachsel/Zambrano

Throw in Heilman as the set-up man, and Wagner as the closer, and I like how that looks. I mean, if they get Manny great... But I just have my doubts about how he'd play here. I don't think I could handle another stud coming in and not putting up any effort. I really think the rest of the offseason should be used for wrapping up one of those catchers and trading one of the extra starters for some more bullpen help and maybe a bench player or two. As things stand right now, I see no reason why this team won't be contending for the division. Remember, they were in it until the middle of August last year before they had that huge collapse.

[NetNerdsRevenge]

With this line-up I still dont think they win the division. Depending on what Philly does this offseason, I think the Mets will finish second or third. Behind who? The braves. Too much young talent on that team.

They're still missing obp guys with this line-up. Moving Reyes out of the 1 spot would help.

[Goodbye Forever]

There's no reason to take him out of the one spot. He led the league and steals and triples, so a base hit consistently puts him in scoring position. He just needs to learn to be more patient at the plate. He's only 23, so his best years are still ahead of him.

And while the Phillies line-up may be superior, their pitching is sub-par at best.

[Jesse2]

Personally, I would like to see him stay, but if trading him will make us better down the road, thanks for your service, Manny,

just as long as that is the only new york team he would consider going to :)

i imagine yankess fan want manny about as little as red sox fans want him in the bronx haha

[NetNerdsRevenge]

There's no reason to take him out of the one spot. He led the league and steals and triples, so a base hit consistently puts him in scoring position. He just needs to learn to be more patient at the plate. He's only 23, so his best years are still ahead of him.

And while the Phillies line-up may be superior, their pitching is sub-par at best.
his career obp is .303. That's terrible for anyone, especially for a lead off hitter who needs to get on base for the sluggers behind him. He can steal bases anywhere in the line-up, but he cant stay at the 1 spot getting on base 3 out of 10 times at the plate.

The Mets have an aging Pedro and Glavine, and sub-par 3-5 starters. I'm not gonna wait around for this rotation either...

[Goodbye Forever]

his career obp is .303. That's terrible for anyone, especially for a lead off hitter who needs to get on base for the sluggers behind him. He can steal bases anywhere in the line-up, but he cant stay at the 1 spot getting on base 3 out of 10 times at the plate.
The Mets have an aging Pedro and Glavine, and sub-par 3-5 starters. I'm not gonna wait around for this rotation either...

Sub-par 3-5? At most, there are maybe 2-3 teams that have a better 3-5 than Benson, Trachsel and Seo.

Reyes will be 23 this season. 23. Last year was his first full season in the major leagues. Anyone who's watched him knows that he's improved the last several years, and his potential is unlimited. He needs to work on his patience at the plate, which improved last year from the games he played in the majors the two preceeding years.

[xearlynovemberx]

Sub-par 3-5? At most, there are maybe 2-3 teams that have a better 3-5 than Benson, Trachsel and Seo.

Reyes will be 23 this season. 23. Last year was his first full season in the major leagues. Anyone who's watched him knows that he's improved the last several years, and his potential is unlimited. He needs to work on his patience at the plate, which improved last year from the games he played in the majors the two preceeding years.

yeah he really needs to show some patience he could easily steal around 80-85 bases next year if he takes some walks

[Goodbye Forever]

Here's the 3-5 for the best pitching teams in the majors last year...

St Louis:
Marquis 13-14, 4.13
Suppan 16-10, 3.57
Morris 14-10, 4.11

Houston:
Oswalt 20-12, 2.94
Backe 10-8, 4.76
Rodriguez/Astacio 10-10/3-6, 5.53/5.67

Chi Sox:
Garcia 14-8, 3.87
Contreras 15-7, 3.61
Hernandez 9-9, 5.12

Cleveland:
Westbrook 15-15, 4.49
Lee 18-5, 3.79
Elarton 11-9, 4.61

LAA:
Byrd 12-11, 3.74
Washburn 8-8, 3.20
Santana 12-8, 4.65

Now, here's the Mets:
Benson 10-8, 4.13
Zambrano 7-12, 4.17
Seo/Trachsel 8-2/1-4, 2.59, 4.14

Those are their numbers compared to those of the best staffs in baseball. Not so far off.

[Broken Parachute]

It's not that I don't want Manny. I just don't like him. Plus, the Mets are like a retirement home. They sign older players and get screwed. It sounds real far-fetched, but if I want any outfielder on my team, it's Hideki Matsui. He can play.

[NetNerdsRevenge]

Sub-par 3-5? At most, there are maybe 2-3 teams that have a better 3-5 than Benson, Trachsel and Seo.
Reyes will be 23 this season. 23. Last year was his first full season in the major leagues. Anyone who's watched him knows that he's improved the last several years, and his potential is unlimited. He needs to work on his patience at the plate, which improved last year from the games he played in the majors the two preceeding years.
ok, ill man up and admit I under estimated the Mets rotation. That stats you posted really dont do anything for me though. When you evaluate pitchers, its not a good idea to look solely at record and ERA. Those are things a pitcher cannot control. Thats why you should look at league averages and adjust. Still, I come on here and pour out stats like no ones business, and then dont look them up when I should be.

When I looked up their career and 2005 season stats (K/9, BB/9, Whip, HR, BAA, SLGA, and so on) I saw I was wrong. Not sub-par, average. And with, again, an aging Pedro and Glavine, along with an (correction) average 3-5, Im still not going to wait around for this rotation.

I know ive heard these claims before, though. Maybe someone more sabremetrics savvy than I am could make the case...

But I am sticking to my Reyes argument. I dont care how old he is, someone posting a .300 obp is terrible and should be on the bench. Until he can show more patience and draw more walks, he should not be in the 1 spot. That is a vital obp position which he is not fulfilling.

[Goodbye Forever]

In his first full year in majors, he league in stolen bases and triples. There's no way he should be on the bench. That's a joke. I don't know anyone who would say that he isn't one of the best young players in the league.

[NetNerdsRevenge]

ok you misunderstood me. I didn't comment on his SB or triples, he can do that anywhere in the line-up. His speed is not the question here. Its his worthless obp. Thats what I am remarking on. .300 is terrible for a lead off hitter and should never be batting 1st. Just imagine how many more runs he could score if he could increase his obp to .330....if he ever got to .350, .360, the Mets would really be dangerous. If you want his speed at the top, bat him second, but him in the 1 spot with his dismal obp is not helping.

[Goodbye Forever]

You said he was terrible and belonged on the bench...

His walk ratio has gone up, though. I expect it to be higher again this year. We shall see.

[NetNerdsRevenge]

dude, Im talking about obp alone! I said anyone with a .300 obp should be on the bench. obp is all im talking about. get it now?

I really don't see how you can say his walk ratio has increased....he has played one full season. His obp should go up, but even if he can increase it to .330, its not lead off hitter worthy. Maybe with his speed, but I would still be looking for a better obp guy. Why not try Floyd out? .360 obp is pretty good. He doesn’t have blazing speed, but when you have Wright, Delgado, and Beltran behind you, you don’t need much speed.

[Goodbye Forever]

In 2004 he had 5 walks in 220 AB.

In 2005 he had 27 in 696 AB.

It comes out to about a 20 AB difference in walks per AB.

[NetNerdsRevenge]

I don't know anyone who would say that he isn't one of the best young players in the league.
you have go to be kidding me. There were two (now one) players on the Mets who are young and much better than Reyes. They were and are, Jacobs and Wright. Reyes is a good young player, but to say he is one of the best is a stretch.

[NetNerdsRevenge]

In 2004 he had 5 walks in 220 AB.

In 2005 he had 27 in 696 AB.

It comes out to about a 20 AB difference in walks per AB.
You cant go off of 220 AB's. This year is his telling year. This is his year to breakout. Comparing walks when he had 476 more AB's on 05 is absurd. You need two full seasons, or at least a 400 AB (maybe mid to high 300's) season, to compare, IMO.

[Goodbye Forever]

you have go to be kidding me. There were two (now one) players on the Mets who are young and much better than Reyes. They were and are, Jacobs and Wright. Reyes is a good young player, but to say he is one of the best is a stretch.

Hahahaha. Where exactly are you coming up with this "Jacobs is better than Reyes" idea? I'd love you to find me one person who would back you up on the argument.

[NetNerdsRevenge]

Hahahaha. Where exactly are you coming up with this "Jacobs is better than Reyes" idea? I'd love you to find me one person who would back you up on the argument.
http://www.minorleaguebaseball.com/app/milb/stats/stats.jsp?n=Mike%20Jacobs&pos=1B&sid=milb&t=p_pbp&pid=408312

he mashed AAA and in a very limited number of at bats, mashed the majors. His 2006 season will be better than Reyes. Now, if you would like to bring up Reyes' minor league numbers and compare to Jacobs', be my guest.

and plenty of people would back me up. I think it was stupid of the Mets to trade this kid away. He is young, cheap, and will hit just fine at first base. They could of saved the prospects and made a huge run for Manny.

[Goodbye Forever]

Jose Reyes was the 2002 USA Today minor league player of the year. Him and Wright have been considered the future of the team for years, and last year was the first season they played in the majors togther. Mike Jacobs has never been anything other than a strong prospect. Most people were shocked by his two months in the majors, and very few thought he would be able to keep it up. That's why he was traded for the right price. The team consider Reyes and Wright untouchable, and there's a reason for that.

[xearlynovemberx]

Jose Reyes was the 2002 USA Today minor league player of the year. Him and Wright have been considered the future of the team for years, and last year was the first season they played in the majors togther. Mike Jacobs has never been anything other than a strong prospect. Most people were shocked by his two months in the majors, and very few thought he would be able to keep it up. That's why he was traded for the right price. The team consider Reyes and Wright untouchable, and there's a reason for that.

the only players i would consider trading wright or reyes for are
vlad
arod
puljos

[NetNerdsRevenge]

Jose Reyes was the 2002 USA Today minor league player of the year. Him and Wright have been considered the future of the team for years, and last year was the first season they played in the majors togther. Mike Jacobs has never been anything other than a strong prospect. Most people were shocked by his two months in the majors, and very few thought he would be able to keep it up. That's why he was traded for the right price. The team consider Reyes and Wright untouchable, and there's a reason for that.
but yet, player production and performance would suggest otherwise. Maybe Reyes is just not cut out for MLB? I'll look up his minor league stats tonight when I get back from work. I also wouldn't trust the Mets. I dont think Omar Minaya is the best at judging talent, as even he said the point of prospects was to trade them.

[NetNerdsRevenge]

the only players i would consider trading wright or reyes for are
vlad
arod
puljos
so Manny is out of the question? I wouldn't mind Wright playing third and Reyes playing second.

[xearlynovemberx]

so Manny is out of the question? I wouldn't mind Wright playing third and Reyes playing second.

HA
Ha
HA
HA

no way in hell i would trade wright and reyes for manny

[Emopunkthrice]

Mets will not Heilman, Milege
http://mlb.mlb.com/NASApp/mlb/news/article.jsp?ymd=20051130&content_id=1274014&vkey=news_mlb&fext=.jsp&c_id=mlb

[G-Unit]

haha jacobs is not better than reyes, but that was funny

[xearlynovemberx]

Mets will not Heilman, Milege
http://mlb.mlb.com/NASApp/mlb/news/article.jsp?ymd=20051130&content_id=1274014&vkey=news_mlb&fext=.jsp&c_id=mlb

what?

edit:

eh tht fucking burst my bubble

[NetNerdsRevenge]

haha jacobs is not better than reyes, but that was funny
What are your reasons? Since both players have small mlb careers, we can look at their minor league career. while Reyes barely maintained an obp above .330 in AA and AAA stints, Jacbos came into his own this year at AA. see link above. If you really want to get technical with it, they have similar stats in the minors, but Jacobs showed signs of power, while Reyes hasn’t. Also, in 1190 AB's, Reyes has yet to show ability to get on base, while in a 100 AB's (very small sample size) Jacobs has showed he can handle major league pitching. This argument will never be solved until the end of 2006 when we can compare a full season of stats by both players.

[NetNerdsRevenge]

Mets will not Heilman, Milege
http://mlb.mlb.com/NASApp/mlb/news/article.jsp?ymd=20051130&content_id=1274014&vkey=news_mlb&fext=.jsp&c_id=mlb
That pretty much ruins any chance of Manny to the Mets. Good move by Minaya, though....finally. He sees the potential in both.

[NetNerdsRevenge]

HA
Ha
HA
HA

no way in hell i would trade wright and reyes for manny
Dude, Wright is overrated....;)

[BuriedAlive]

the addition of Wagner is retarded. He's there for one season. Why did they sign him for so long? He will be gone midseason when they will be under .500 again.

[xearlynovemberx]

Dude, Wright is overrated....;)

i really really REALLY hope ur kidding...

[NetNerdsRevenge]

Consider a few things first

1) my previous comments about wright in this thread
2) the simley
3) would I really want to trade Manny for an overrated player?