Clippers and Lakers

[ActorInThisPlay]

Now the Clippers are having an amazing start to this season and the Lakers have the 2nd worst record in the West....so my question is...

Do you guys think that this trend will continue and that the Clippers will make the playoffs and the Lakers will stay in last place or will the Clippers bomb?

[Caleb Cattivera]

Now the Clippers are having an amazing start to this season and the Lakers have the 2nd worst record in the West....so my question is...

Do you guys think that this trend will continue and that the Clippers will make the playoffs and the Lakers will stay in last place or will the Clippers bomb?

wow. great topic. and good quesiton. honestly, kobe is a great player...but he needs someone else there to help him. lamar odom just doesnt quite cut it. the clippers finally have a good roster that's producing. elton brand, who's probably one of the most dominant forwards in the game, yet you rarely hear about because of where hes played, is finally getting some recognition. i think he's been underrated since he came in the leauge. i think they need a better center than kaman, wilcox did good last year in his absence though. corey is another player we rarely hear about because of being on the clippers, but has produced good #'s the last two years. i honestly think this year the clippers can keep this up and be a playoff team. the lakers have the right coach in there, and a great player to buld around in kobe...they just need to find him a couple of good running mates. he'll prolly never have another shaq, but i think with a decent center and another good guard they could be good.

[weezer182]

i think the clippers will cool down. they will probably make the playoffs as a 6 or 7. i dont think the lakers will but we will see. its too early to tell

[ActorInThisPlay]

wow. great topic. and good quesiton. honestly, kobe is a great player...but he needs someone else there to help him. lamar odom just doesnt quite cut it. the clippers finally have a good roster that's producing. elton brand, who's probably one of the most dominant forwards in the game, yet you rarely hear about because of where hes played, is finally getting some recognition. i think he's been underrated since he came in the leauge. i think they need a better center than kaman, wilcox did good last year in his absence though. corey is another player we rarely hear about because of being on the clippers, but has produced good #'s the last two years. i honestly think this year the clippers can keep this up and be a playoff team. the lakers have the right coach in there, and a great player to buld around in kobe...they just need to find him a couple of good running mates. he'll prolly never have another shaq, but i think with a decent center and another good guard they could be good.
yeah I have the same feelings. Cassell has really come in there and given a spark to the Clippers. They have always had talent in Brand and Maggette and now with a good PG it seems as though they have found a good chemistry. A good center would definitely help out their chances of making the playoffs though.

The Lakers on the other hand have Kobe, who is taking way too many last second shots in order to beat the shot clock. The rest of the Lakers team is not aware of how to run the Triangle offense that Jackson is trying to implement and it is hurting them deeply right now. I honestly don't see the Lakers making the playoffs though because Kobe tries to contol things way too much. He needs to help his team out more in learning the Triangle offense and give more players opportunities to shoot the ball because with him taking around 30 shots a game, he isn't going to accomplish anything. Kobe always had someone to back him up and that was Shaq and with him gone I don't see the Lakers doing anything this year.

[itsjdiggity]

i love watching chris kaman play...he always looks lost and out of control. he missed a wide open one handed dunk yesterday against the timberwolves

[weezer182]

Golden State will end up with a better record then both of them

[Caleb Cattivera]

Golden State will end up with a better record then both of them

riiiiight. then injury prone b diddy fucks some body part up and misses 30 games. he's missed almost 100 games over the last 3 seasons. he's injury prone and usually hurts a team more than he helps them in the long run. plus, golden state hasnt been to the playoffs in more than ten years. the warriors will finsih worse than the lakers this year.

[weezer182]

riiiiight. then injury prone b diddy fucks some body part up and misses 30 games. he's missed almost 100 games over the last 3 seasons. he's injury prone and usually hurts a team more than he helps them in the long run. plus, golden state hasnt been to the playoffs in more than ten years. the warriors will finsih worse than the lakers this year.come on caleb he did miss a lot of games but if he stays healthy there is no way the lakers end up with a better record. the warriors are a much better TEAM then the lakers. the lakers are all kobe. the playoff history doesnt matter at all its a different team and a new year. thats a weak argument. if thats true then the clippers definitely arent making it either. they have been one of the worst teams in sports the last ten years. Also the wizards shouldnt of made the playoffs last year then

[getupkid53]

riiiiight. then injury prone b diddy fucks some body part up and misses 30 games. he's missed almost 100 games over the last 3 seasons. he's injury prone and usually hurts a team more than he helps them in the long run. plus, golden state hasnt been to the playoffs in more than ten years. the warriors will finsih worse than the lakers this year.

I'm gonna call you out on that one buddy. I'm not sure if GS will make the playoffs, but I'm betting they beat out the lakers. Golden State is playing fantastic basketball and I think the lakers are not a smart enough team to be in Jackson's offense or defense. Everyone except Kobe is prone to looking completely lost. Odom puts up a lovely amount of shots and still only puts up 15 a game
(41% fg). He should be relegated to a 2nd or 3rd option behind Kobe rather than his right hand man. Kwame Brown is hurt and is a bust anyways. Smush Parker is good, but once again, a minor role player.

Golden state has richardson and murphy and a very solid backup point in Derek Fisher. I think you underestimate them. We will bring this thread back around Valentine's and see which one of us is correct. Plus they average like 47 rebounds a game. I think they are the real deal and take 7th or 8th playoff spot.

EDIT: Hey, I can't add you as a friend because every time I click ADD it comes up with an error screen. It's a little demeaning to look at your profile and it says 'you have no friends'. It reminds me of Junior High too much.

[somethingyellow]

this is finally golden states year to make the playoffs :bigsmile:

[Caleb Cattivera]

come on caleb he did miss a lot of games but if he stays healthy there is no way the lakers end up with a better record. the warriors are a much better TEAM then the lakers. the lakers are all kobe. the playoff history doesnt matter at all its a different team and a new year. thats a weak argument. if thats true then the clippers definitely arent making it either. they have been one of the worst teams in sports the last ten years. Also the wizards shouldnt of made the playoffs last year then

IF he stays healthy...IF. this is me being pretty damn confident that he wont stay healthy. i was a hornets fan for a few years because mashburn is my favorite player(talk about injury prone), and davis always would get hurt at a crucial point during the season. so, warriors fans, just when things are looking good...there goes your pg. and if he's out there goes your team. bd is damn good, and i think he's proven so far this year that he can carry a team. because the warriors, with basically all the same players the last couple of years, have sucked my left nut. as for the clippers being one of the worst teams in sports, they havent been any worse than the warriors, and they've actually tasted the playoffs in the last ten years. and why shouldnt the wizards have made the playoffs? the wizards had been in the playoffs in the last ten years prior to last.

basically what im trying to say, is if BD stays healthy the warriors WILL be tough. but chances are, he won't and it'll be another shitty season for warriors fans. never rely on baron davis. you'll be let down.

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the clipps might make it this year, i went with yes just because ive always been a fan...i love the lakers as well, but when i was younger i had season tickets to the clipps so theyve always had a soft spot for me. it wont keep up though, while the lakers really dont look like theyll get better anytime soon the clippers will dismantle the team like always, sam cassell is old...he cant be playing at this level for much longer, and their management is horrendous...however mitch kupcheck is the worst ever.

[Caleb Cattivera]

the clipps might make it this year, i went with yes just because ive always been a fan...i love the lakers as well, but when i was younger i had season tickets to the clipps so theyve always had a soft spot for me. it wont keep up though, while the lakers really dont look like theyll get better anytime soon the clippers will dismantle the team like always, sam cassell is old...he cant be playing at this level for much longer, and their management is horrendous...however mitch kupcheck is the worst ever.

this is a possibility. bu ti dont see it happening. i think cassell is having fun playin ball again.

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this is a possibility. bu ti dont see it happening. i think cassell is having fun playin ball again.

ya hes just getting old, i just have trouble ever thinking the clippers will hold onto a good thing. besides elton brand.

[btbam > you]

cassell = my favorite player. tyler knows that one.

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cassell = my favorite player. tyler knows that one.

haha its true, didnt you light me up for like 60 points with him in 2k5?

[weezer182]

IF he stays healthy...IF. this is me being pretty damn confident that he wont stay healthy. i was a hornets fan for a few years because mashburn is my favorite player(talk about injury prone), and davis always would get hurt at a crucial point during the season. so, warriors fans, just when things are looking good...there goes your pg. and if he's out there goes your team. bd is damn good, and i think he's proven so far this year that he can carry a team. because the warriors, with basically all the same players the last couple of years, have sucked my left nut. as for the clippers being one of the worst teams in sports, they havent been any worse than the warriors, and they've actually tasted the playoffs in the last ten years. and why shouldnt the wizards have made the playoffs? the wizards had been in the playoffs in the last ten years prior to last.

basically what im trying to say, is if BD stays healthy the warriors WILL be tough. but chances are, he won't and it'll be another shitty season for warriors fans. never rely on baron davis. you'll be let down. the clippers have been just as bad as the warriors. if they did make the playoffs in the last 10 years its not like they went far. the warriors usually end up with a better record then the clippers if that means anything. your right davis does get hurt a lot but im holding my breath that he will play this whole season. The warriors have finally figured out how to play together and their young players have been improving greatly. this is finally the year the warriors will see the playoffs, especially since the west isnt as strong this year as it has been in the past

[btbam > you]

haha its true, didnt you light me up for like 60 points with him in 2k5?



i think every game we played, i would score like 80 total points and 50-60 of them were from cassell. did i tell you how i was in an elevator with him one time? i think i popped one.

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the clippers have been just as bad as the warriors. if they did make the playoffs in the last 10 years its not like they went far. the warriors usually end up with a better record then the clippers if that means anything. your right davis does get hurt a lot but im holding my breath that he will play this whole season. The warriors have finally figured out how to play together and their young players have been improving greatly. this is finally the year the warriors will see the playoffs, especially since the west isnt as strong this year as it has been in the past

they went to the playoffs in the last 10 years, lost to the jazz...loy vaught was their star player, jazz went onto the finals against chicago.

[Caleb Cattivera]

they went to the playoffs in the last 10 years, lost to the jazz...loy vaught was their star player, jazz went onto the finals against chicago.

yep. haha loy vaught.

warriors wont be in the playoffs. should we take bets on this?

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yep. haha loy vaught.

warriors wont be in the playoffs. should we take bets on this?

im with you, the same teams will end up making it, houston will turn it around and get in, it will be very similar to last year.

[weezer182]

im with you, the same teams will end up making it, houston will turn it around and get in, it will be very similar to last year. the warriors will be better then seattle this year and possibily sacramento. two teams that made it last year. i like phx a lot cause of nash but depending on when stoudamire returns golden st could even end up with a better record then them. the west isnt as strong as last year

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the warriors will be better then seattle this year and possibily sacramento. two teams that made it last year. i like phx a lot cause of nash but depending on when stoudamire returns golden st could even end up with a better record then them. the west isnt as strong as last year

ya but the warriors arent that strong period, their 2 stars are guards, and while they can win against the lesser talent once houston is back to strength, they wont be able to be them, once phoenix is back to strength, they wont be able to be them...you are right about seattle and sacto though...but now you have the clippers contending also...i just dont see it happening this year, they will be much improved but i have a feeling they will just miss the playoffs.

[weezer182]

ya but the warriors arent that strong period, their 2 stars are guards, and while they can win against the lesser talent once houston is back to strength, they wont be able to be them, once phoenix is back to strength, they wont be able to be them...you are right about seattle and sacto though...but now you have the clippers contending also...i just dont see it happening this year, they will be much improved but i have a feeling they will just miss the playoffs. i disagree. although the warriors two stars are guards they have a pretty good supporting cast. diogu, dunleavy, fisher, foyle, murphy and pietrus are all good players that compliment davis and richardson. seattle beat out houston last year with 2 stars in allen and lewis and no one thought that would happen. yea the clippers are contending as well. could both of them get into the playoffs??????? probably not so im taking my chances with golden st. plus golden st has played together longer if that means anything

[itsjdiggity]

the warriors will be better then seattle this year and possibily sacramento. two teams that made it last year. i like phx a lot cause of nash but depending on when stoudamire returns golden st could even end up with a better record then them. the west isnt as strong as last year

:shake: ................................... ..............probably

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i disagree. although the warriors two stars are guards they have a pretty good supporting cast. diogu, dunleavy, fisher, foyle, murphy and pietrus are all good players that compliment davis and richardson. seattle beat out houston last year with 2 stars in allen and lewis and no one thought that would happen. yea the clippers are contending as well. could both of them get into the playoffs??????? probably not so im taking my chances with golden st. plus golden st has played together longer if that means anything

true true, another problem with GS you'll hear is age...they are a quality team, i just dont think its their time yet

[itsjdiggity]

towards the end of last year, they were awesome...maybe they can stay healthy and do it again

[itsjdiggity]

if amare is gone for the whole year...clippers will be the third seed

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are they still one of the only teams to not lose 2 in a row, i think their company being spurs, mavs, detroit, and someone else possibly?

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if amare is gone for the whole year...clippers will be the third seed

clippers just need to hope cassell stays healthy

[Caleb Cattivera]

the warriors will be better then seattle this year and possibily sacramento. two teams that made it last year. i like phx a lot cause of nash but depending on when stoudamire returns golden st could even end up with a better record then them. the west isnt as strong as last year

the warriors record isnt that impressive. they've only beat two teams over .500 in the bulls and the bucks, but they've also lost games to both of those teams as well. when they've faced teams that are over .500 and contender teams, they fail miserably. lost to the spurs by 24, by 15 to the suns, and they also lost to the clippers by 12 points. it's early into the season, they've yet to pull of a win against an impressive team. and until they do so, they wont hear any praise from me. they've got games coming up against the suns and the pistons and a few other .500 teams, if they win some of those games, maybe ill take em seriously, they're still just a joke to me though.

[itsjdiggity]

clippers just need to hope cassell stays healthy

ET always has some big balls in the 4th

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ET always has some big balls in the 4th

hes a stud, hottest fetus ET basketball player. hes just old...i remember videos from him on the bucks with the oxygen tank, hahah

[Caleb Cattivera]

ET always has some big balls in the 4th


hahahaha ET. i havent heard that in a minute.

[itsjdiggity]

hahahaha ET. i havent heard that in a minute.

http://www.mattbonner.org/SamCassell.jpg

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http://www.mattbonner.org/SamCassell.jpg

hahahahahahaha

[Talib Scottie]

Lakers roll players are garbage, and pretty much always have been, with the exception of Robert Horry, Rick Fox, and Derek Fisher back in the good days, but Brian Cook, Kwame Brown, and Deavean George are lacking. Kobe and Lamar Odom can't score 100 points by theirselves everynight.

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Lakers roll players are garbage, and pretty much always have been, with the exception of Robert Horry, Rick Fox, and Derek Fisher back in the good days, but Brian Cook, Kwame Brown, and Deavean George are lacking. Kobe and Lamar Odom can't score 100 points by theirselves everynight.

single worst trade in history was the trade for kwame, even worse then the shaq trade as far as im concerned...that guy is horrible.

[Caleb Cattivera]

Lakers roll players are garbage, and pretty much always have been, with the exception of Robert Horry, Rick Fox, and Derek Fisher back in the good days, but Brian Cook, Kwame Brown, and Deavean George are lacking. Kobe and Lamar Odom can't score 100 points by theirselves everynight.

always have been? are you serious? of all the role players the lakers have had in the past, you mention fox, horry and fisher?! what about byron scott, ac green, michael cooper, michyal thompson, orlando woolridge, sam perkins, vlade, bob mcadoo, jamall wilkes, norm nixon. thats just from the 80s, i didnt go into the 70s. they lakers didnt need role players when they won the three in a row a few years back. shaq and kobe were nearly unstoppable. that's all they needed,

as for saying the kwame trade is the worst trade in history...think again. theres been ALOT worse in the nba. that's not even in the top 20.

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always have been? are you serious? of all the role players the lakers have had in the past, you mention fox, horry and fisher?! what about byron scott, ac green, michael cooper, michyal thompson, orlando woolridge, sam perkins, vlade, bob mcadoo, jamall wilkes, norm nixon. thats just from the 80s, i didnt go into the 70s. they lakers didnt need role players when they won the three in a row a few years back. shaq and kobe were nearly unstoppable. that's all they needed,

as for saying the kwame trade is the worst trade in history...think again. theres been ALOT worse in the nba. that's not even in the top 20.

haha ya but think of it through my eyes, ive been a die-hard laker fan since i was born, to see the team turn to shit and then trade for him is sickening to me...haha youre right though if you look at the big picture (as in the entire league)

[itsjdiggity]

i fucking hate the lakers and i live 10 minutes away from the staples center

[Caleb Cattivera]

i fucking hate the lakers and i live 10 minutes away from the staples center

dont blame you.

wheres that kid who was talkin all about the warriors? has he conceded?

[weezer182]

the warriors record isnt that impressive. they've only beat two teams over .500 in the bulls and the bucks, but they've also lost games to both of those teams as well. when they've faced teams that are over .500 and contender teams, they fail miserably. lost to the spurs by 24, by 15 to the suns, and they also lost to the clippers by 12 points. it's early into the season, they've yet to pull of a win against an impressive team. and until they do so, they wont hear any praise from me. they've got games coming up against the suns and the pistons and a few other .500 teams, if they win some of those games, maybe ill take em seriously, they're still just a joke to me though. and the clippers record is so much better? if your going to bash on the warriors schedule i suggest you look at who the clippers have played first? yes the did beat the warriors at home but who else have they beaten? they have... lets count 3 wins against teams that are over .500 and two is against the timberwolves who are 7-6. they also lost to minnesota too and the barely beat toronto at home. i dont care if you give them praise or not but you should treat the clippers the same way as the warriors if you use that argument.

[Talib Scottie]

always have been? are you serious? of all the role players the lakers have had in the past, you mention fox, horry and fisher?! what about byron scott, ac green, michael cooper, michyal thompson, orlando woolridge, sam perkins, vlade, bob mcadoo, jamall wilkes, norm nixon. thats just from the 80s, i didnt go into the 70s. they lakers didnt need role players when they won the three in a row a few years back. shaq and kobe were nearly unstoppable. that's all they needed,

as for saying the kwame trade is the worst trade in history...think again. theres been ALOT worse in the nba. that's not even in the top 20.
I was referring to the Phil Jackson era, hence why I only named role players that played under him, and also when nobody stepped up to help Kobe and Shaq, they lost. Robert Horry and co hit some big shots to get them those three titles.

[Caleb Cattivera]

and the clippers record is so much better? if your going to bash on the warriors schedule i suggest you look at who the clippers have played first? yes the did beat the warriors at home but who else have they beaten? they have... lets count 3 wins against teams that are over .500 and two is against the timberwolves who are 7-6. they also lost to minnesota too and the barely beat toronto at home. i dont care if you give them praise or not but you should treat the clippers the same way as the warriors if you use that argument.

the clippers dont have my respect either. but i think they're a better team than the warriors. the clip have lost those five games, but they lost them by a total of 28 points, rather than being blown ouy like the warriors were a couple of times...proving they can at least run with the better teams in the leauge.

cassell>davis - so far this season at least - higher scoring avg, better shooting percentages, and a much better floor leader. baron has alot to prove.

richardson>mobley - ill give this one to the warriors, hes played some gooood ball this year. just needs to learn how to be a leader

maggette>dunleavy - wow i dont think i need to explain myself here. corey's 23 ppg outweighs mikes 9 ppg. dunleavy is not a very good player, what a wasted pick by the warriors, of all the players the could've picked...and they take him. he'll never be anything more than a 10 ppg guy in the leauge.

elton brand>troy murphy - another obvious choice. ill admit im a HUGE t murph fan. but he doenst hold a candle to brand. murphys a good role player who needs a new team. brand is having an mvp type season so far with 24 ppg and 11 rpg along with nearly 3 bpg. and not to mention he's shooting freaking 56% from the field.

chris kaman>adoynal foyle - foyle's a dud. another horrible draft pick by the warriors. kamans putting up 7 ppg and 7rpg along with 2 bpg this year. this was a kinda hard one to pick...but kamans better than foyle.

the one thing i WILL give the warriors credit for is depth on their bench. too bad pietrus is out because he had some pretty flashy games.

[Caleb Cattivera]

I was referring to the Phil Jackson era, hence why I only named role players that played under him, and also when nobody stepped up to help Kobe and Shaq, they lost. Robert Horry and co hit some big shots to get them those three titles.

then be more specific next time. and thanks for editing your post you sounded like a dick.

[Talib Scottie]

then be more specific next time. and thanks for editing your post you sounded like a dick.
Dude I've had a bad day... I had just had an arguement with my girl and I was stressed the fuck out. Sorry

[weezer182]

the clippers dont have my respect either. but i think they're a better team than the warriors. the clip have lost those five games, but they lost them by a total of 28 points, rather than being blown ouy like the warriors were a couple of times...proving they can at least run with the better teams in the leauge.

cassell>davis - so far this season at least - higher scoring avg, better shooting percentages, and a much better floor leader. baron has alot to prove.

richardson>mobley - ill give this one to the warriors, hes played some gooood ball this year. just needs to learn how to be a leader

maggette>dunleavy - wow i dont think i need to explain myself here. corey's 23 ppg outweighs mikes 9 ppg. dunleavy is not a very good player, what a wasted pick by the warriors, of all the players the could've picked...and they take him. he'll never be anything more than a 10 ppg guy in the leauge.

elton brand>troy murphy - another obvious choice. ill admit im a HUGE t murph fan. but he doenst hold a candle to brand. murphys a good role player who needs a new team. brand is having an mvp type season so far with 24 ppg and 11 rpg along with nearly 3 bpg. and not to mention he's shooting freaking 56% from the field.

chris kaman>adoynal foyle - foyle's a dud. another horrible draft pick by the warriors. kamans putting up 7 ppg and 7rpg along with 2 bpg this year. this was a kinda hard one to pick...but kamans better than foyle.

the one thing i WILL give the warriors credit for is depth on their bench. too bad pietrus is out because he had some pretty flashy games.the warriors did have a bad game against the spurs i agree. everyone has bad games but they havent played enough games yet to say they cant run with the good teams in the league. the real test will come in dec for the clippers when they play cle, miami, det, spurs, ind, phx ect... as for the clippers starting line-up there is no arguing they are good.the thing thats going to make the warriors better is their bench in my opinion and your right when pietrus gets back he will only make them better. As far as cassell being better then davis i would have to disagree. his shooting percentage is better then davis this year but i think davis leads a team better.davis has turned that team around almost by himself. they average pretty much the same amount of points and davis leads in the assist department.

[somethingyellow]

the warriors did have a bad game against the spurs i agree. everyone has bad games but they havent played enough games yet to say they cant run with the good teams in the league. the real test will come in dec for the clippers when they play cle, miami, det, spurs, ind, phx ect... as for the clippers starting line-up there is no arguing they are good.the thing thats going to make the warriors better is their bench in my opinion and your right when pietrus gets back he will only make them better. As far as cassell being better then davis i would have to disagree. his shooting percentage is better then davis this year but i think davis leads a team better.davis has turned that team around almost by himself. they average pretty much the same amount of points and davis leads in the assist department.
agreed davis averages 2 more assist a game to cassell so i wouldnt call cassell a "much better floor leader"
A healthy baron davis > a healthy sam cassell

[Talib Scottie]

agreed davis averages 2 more assist a game to cassell so i wouldnt call cassell a "much better floor leader"
A healthy baron davis > a healthy sam cassell
Sam has better intangibles such as leadership and vision, but Davis is more skilled at this point in their careers.

[Emopunkthrice]

I hope the Clippers make the playoffs, they deserve it....Elton Brand is an all-star this season no doubt in my mind....I hope the Lakers crash burn die.

[somethingyellow]

I hope the Clippers make the playoffs, they deserve it....Elton Brand is an all-star this season no doubt in my mind....I hope the Lakers crash burn die.
i wanna see the warriors and clippers both make it

[Emopunkthrice]

i wanna see the warriors and clippers both make it
The Warriors would also be cool but I think the top seeds will easily take clips and warriors both out.

[Caleb Cattivera]

agreed davis averages 2 more assist a game to cassell so i wouldnt call cassell a "much better floor leader"
A healthy baron davis > a healthy sam cassell

i still disagree. cassell has got two championship rings. and he's been the floor leader on many playoff teams. baron davis has been in the playoffs a couple of times, but no where near the likes of cassell. someone said that davis is proving himself now? how? we're like 15 games into the season...FIFTEEN, he'll be injured in about 10 games...

[Scott Weber]

kobe bryant is an arrogant, selfish fuck.

[weezer182]

i still disagree. cassell has got two championship rings. and he's been the floor leader on many playoff teams. baron davis has been in the playoffs a couple of times, but no where near the likes of cassell. someone said that davis is proving himself now? how? we're like 15 games into the season...FIFTEEN, he'll be injured in about 10 games... cassell has been on better teams with better players surrounding him then davis and cassell has been in the league a lot longer

[Caleb Cattivera]

cassell has been on better teams with better players surrounding him then davis and cassell has been in the league a lot longer

weak sauce. that's not a very valid argument. cassell's been places davis will only dream to go.

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i still disagree. cassell has got two championship rings. and he's been the floor leader on many playoff teams. baron davis has been in the playoffs a couple of times, but no where near the likes of cassell. someone said that davis is proving himself now? how? we're like 15 games into the season...FIFTEEN, he'll be injured in about 10 games...
Ever since Davis has been on the warriors look how much better that team is. yes he is STARTING to prove it now., He has been since he has came to Golden State The warriors are off to there best start since 91.

[Caleb Cattivera]

kobe bryant is an arrogant, selfish fuck.

haha random...but true!

where da white women at!

[weezer182]

weak sauce. that's not a very valid argument. cassell's been places davis will only dream to go. its true though. cassell has played with the likes of olajuwon, drexler, ray allen, kg ect... davis hasnt been surrounded with as many good players.

[Caleb Cattivera]

its true though. cassell has played with the likes of olajuwon, drexler, ray allen, kg ect... davis hasnt been surrounded with as many good players.

annnnnd?

[Caleb Cattivera]

Ever since Davis has been on the warriors look how much better that team is. yes he is STARTING to prove it now., He has been since he has came to Golden State The warriors are off to there best start since 91.

there's a difference between starting...and proving...alot of players have started to do things...davis needs to PROVE he can do these things. its there best START to the seaosn since 91...whooooooooo cares? there's still ALOT of basketball to be played, warriors will win about 35 or 40 games this season...maybe

[somethingyellow]

there's a difference between starting...and proving...alot of players have started to do things...davis needs to PROVE he can do these things. its there best START to the seaosn since 91...whooooooooo cares? there's still ALOT of basketball to be played, warriors will win about 35 or 40 games this season...maybe
...which means the clippers have just as much basketball to play to prove they are a playoff team as well.

[Caleb Cattivera]

...which means the clippers have just as much basketball to play to prove they are a playoff team as well.

i know this. im not pulling for either team. i do think the clippers are a better team and will prevail. i just dont see the warriors keeping this up. that's all im saying. i know the clippers have alot to prove. i enver said they didnt. tisk tisk kids.

[somethingyellow]

i know this. im not pulling for either team. i do think the clippers are a better team and will prevail. i just dont see the warriors keeping this up. that's all im saying. i know the clippers have alot to prove. i enver said they didnt. tisk tisk kids.
;) your right they both have a lot to prove since the season just started, we just differ since i think the warriors will keep it up

[weezer182]

annnnnd?he played for the hornets

[Caleb Cattivera]

he played for the hornets

they went to the playoffs too...my main man mashburn lead the way. but still...cassell has more experience. and he's also been more consistent and reliable health wise.

[weezer182]

cassel usually is always the number two option on a team. playing with better players have helped him free up his game cause teams first look to stop a player like olajuwan or kg first. im not say cassell isnt great cause he is. i personally would rather have davis now, if he can stay healthy

[weezer182]

they went to the playoffs too...my main man mashburn lead the way. but still...cassell has more experience. and he's also been more consistent and reliable health wise.i will give you that and that probably is a main reason he has been more consistent cause he has been healthier. i just think cassell has reached his peak, whereas davis can get better if he stays healthy. mashburn was really good but wasnt a dominant low post big man like kg or olajuwon

[itsjdiggity]

kobe bryant is an arrogant, selfish fuck.

haha...came out of left field, but true

its true though. cassell has played with the likes of olajuwon, drexler, ray allen, kg ect... davis hasnt been surrounded with as many good players.

sam i am, ray ray, and big dog was dope as tits

[Caleb Cattivera]

this was one of the most fun arguments ive had in recent memory. thanks guys!

[BuriedAlive]

Chemistry is a killer. Just watch.

[somethingyellow]

this was one of the most fun arguments ive had in recent memory. thanks guys!
i agree, don't worry we still have the rest of the season to battle this one out ;)

[itsjdiggity]

Chemistry is a killer. Just watch.

chemistry of which team?

[Spicoli hey bud]

I haven't even looked at this thread until now, but it seems as if I agree with over 80% of you....:thumbsup:

[BuriedAlive]

chemistry of which team?
Both. I don't think either will make it.

The lakers wont because Kobe likes to throw up retarded shots that don't need to be taken, while they pass up open opportunities to try to control the clock then heave up a shot with one second on the shot clock. Lamar Odom will not take his share of shots which will continue to plague him as the media picks him apart.

The Clippers wont because Maggette and Brand both want to be leaders. You can really only have one. Maggette is a douchebag who wants to be the next Kobe or maybe Antonie Walker (throwing up stupid shots). Whatever the case, Maggette or Brand will have to be dealt for this team to succeed.

The Clippers do have the better chance out of the two. I would place Phoenix and Golden State ahead of the clips because they are better overall teams. Lakers, honestly, have no chance. Unless they make Smush Parker into some superstar and Odom because they player he's suppose to be.

[Drew Beringer]

neither will make the playoffs.

[itsjdiggity]

Golden State will end up with a better record then both of them

theyre in 1st place now...enjoy it while it lasts

[ActorInThisPlay]

so what's everyones opinions on the matter now?

[Brownpants06]

They'll both make the playoffs, but clippers will go farther.


Odom needs to get his miami game back (which granted, he is doing a lot better this season than last) in order for lakers to start playing really well again.

[itsjdiggity]

they're playing really well without corey mags...hope they keep it up

[ActorInThisPlay]

they're playing really well without corey mags...hope they keep it up
yeah me2...Brand is having yet another amazing season.

[Caleb Cattivera]

come on caleb he did miss a lot of games but if he stays healthy there is no way the lakers end up with a better record. the warriors are a much better TEAM then the lakers. the lakers are all kobe. the playoff history doesnt matter at all its a different team and a new year. thats a weak argument. if thats true then the clippers definitely arent making it either. they have been one of the worst teams in sports the last ten years. Also the wizards shouldnt of made the playoffs last year then

hmm im looking to be right so far. warriors have only won 3 in their last 10...next stop...the lottery.

[Caleb Cattivera]

I'm gonna call you out on that one buddy. I'm not sure if GS will make the playoffs, but I'm betting they beat out the lakers. Golden State is playing fantastic basketball and I think the lakers are not a smart enough team to be in Jackson's offense or defense. Everyone except Kobe is prone to looking completely lost. Odom puts up a lovely amount of shots and still only puts up 15 a game
(41% fg). He should be relegated to a 2nd or 3rd option behind Kobe rather than his right hand man. Kwame Brown is hurt and is a bust anyways. Smush Parker is good, but once again, a minor role player.

Golden state has richardson and murphy and a very solid backup point in Derek Fisher. I think you underestimate them. We will bring this thread back around Valentine's and see which one of us is correct. Plus they average like 47 rebounds a game. I think they are the real deal and take 7th or 8th playoff spot.

EDIT: Hey, I can't add you as a friend because every time I click ADD it comes up with an error screen. It's a little demeaning to look at your profile and it says 'you have no friends'. It reminds me of Junior High too much.

i win!

[itsjdiggity]

bored much?

[Caleb Cattivera]

bored much?

kinda. but these kids were dead set on the warriors(who, considering the talent they have, suck a nut). i say they win 15 games the rest of the season.

[itsjdiggity]

i think it's safe to say that the Clippers will finally be making the playoffs

they're winning without Maggette

[Caleb Cattivera]

i think it's safe to say that the Clippers will finally be making the playoffs

they're winning without Maggette

yeah i know.

and it's safe to say the warriors cant win. it's not anyone on that teams fault...its just a curse. as long as chris mullin has anything to do with that franchise they will suck.

[itsjdiggity]

they should get Tim Hardaway to run that shit

[Caleb Cattivera]

they should get Tim Hardaway to run that shit

yeah maybe, at least he's been past the semis at least once.

[somethingyellow]

yes they are under achieving and i thought they would be doing much better then they are. Still i do not think chris mullin is the one to completely blame. I'm still hoping for a second half run and making the playoffs, they are only 2 1/2 out

[Caleb Cattivera]

yes they are under achieving and i thought they would be doing much better then they are. Still i do not think chris mullin is the one to completely blame

i dont either...but it's fun blaming him, and if you look at history, it's legitimate in a way. five playoff apperances in 13 years as a player with the team...they couldve picked joe dumars over mullin...dumb move, but a different story...the warriors have usually had good squads...but chris mullin's legacy, or lack there of...is keeping them from going anywhere.

[weezer182]

kinda. but these kids were dead set on the warriors(who, considering the talent they have, suck a nut). i say they win 15 games the rest of the season.yea so i was wrong. they have talent but arent playing up to potential. atleast i will admit im wrong

[Caleb Cattivera]

yea so i was wrong. they have talent but arent playing up to potential. atleast i will admit im wrong

yeah i know good job.

they need to break this team up i think, or at eleast get mullin out of the organization...

[weezer182]

yeah i know good job.

they need to break this team up i think, or at eleast get mullin out of the organization...he needs to improve their defense big time.

[BuriedAlive]

Yeah, I said the Clippers needed to get rid of Maggette, you called me crazy. He's not playing, they are winning. Go figure right.

[itsjdiggity]

Yeah, I said the Clippers needed to get rid of Maggette, you called me crazy. He's not playing, they are winning. Go figure right.

I think they're gonna need him for the playoffs

[ActorInThisPlay]

well so far it looks the Clippers are going to get in and the Lakers are on the border of not making it. If another team gets hot and the Lakers continue playing badly, kiss them goodbye.

[somethingyellow]

well so far it looks the Clippers are going to get in and the Lakers are on the border of not making it. If another team gets hot and the Lakers continue playing badly, kiss them goodbye.i still dont think the lakers are going to make the playoffs

[weezer182]

i wouldnt mind if the lakers didnt make it

[Caleb Cattivera]

i still dont think the lakers are going to make the playoffs

time for me to prove you wrong again:) haha

lakers are on the brink of a couple of trades that will help them tremendously.

[weezer182]

time for me to prove you wrong again:) haha

lakers are on the brink of a couple of trades that will help them tremendously.what kind of trades are we talking about?

[Caleb Cattivera]

Yeah, I said the Clippers needed to get rid of Maggette, you called me crazy. He's not playing, they are winning. Go figure right.

hmm not so much.

they will need him in the playoffs.

they were 9-4 with him in the lineup and are 20 and 14 without him. a higher winning percentage when he's in there. any team is going to miss 22 ppg and 6 rpg a night. they're still winning becaue other players are stepping up. quinton ross is starting in his place...now who would you rather have...a guy who gives you 22 and 6 per or a guy who gives you 6 and 3 per?

they've also lost to teams without corey, that they won when he was in the lineup. for instance, the lakers, and the heat. they were winning before he got injured...with him back in the lineup they'll be alot better.

[Caleb Cattivera]

what kind of trades are we talking about?

just some stuff pete told me, i think he kinda told me with hopes i wouldnt say anything, so im kinda keepin quiet, right now their pretty close to being done...but dont wanna jump the gun JUST yet.

[weezer182]

just some stuff pete told me, i think he kinda told me with hopes i wouldnt say anything, so im kinda keepin quiet, right now their pretty close to being done...but dont wanna jump the gun JUST yet.fair enough

[somethingyellow]

time for me to prove you wrong again:) haha

lakers are on the brink of a couple of trades that will help them tremendously.haha well if they dont make any trades and have this team i don't think they will make it ;)

[Caleb Cattivera]

only two of the lakers games the rest of this month are against .500 teams...i say they only lose one the rest of the month.

[BuriedAlive]

hmm not so much.

they will need him in the playoffs.

they were 9-4 with him in the lineup and are 20 and 14 without him. a higher winning percentage when he's in there. any team is going to miss 22 ppg and 6 rpg a night. they're still winning becaue other players are stepping up. quinton ross is starting in his place...now who would you rather have...a guy who gives you 22 and 6 per or a guy who gives you 6 and 3 per?

they've also lost to teams without corey, that they won when he was in the lineup. for instance, the lakers, and the heat. they were winning before he got injured...with him back in the lineup they'll be alot better.
9-4 compared to 20-14 isn't a fair comparasion anyway. I'd take 6 and 3 if we win and there is better chemistry, which i believe there is. I would trade him away and get more role players. Maggette is a slightly better Darius Miles in my opinion. They will fall apart like most pretender teams do after all star break.

Utah will make the playoffs.
Lakers and Clippers are still missing it.

[itsjdiggity]

I've seen no problems with Maggette and chemistry...all the Clipper games I've been to, he has been a very solid contributor

[Caleb Cattivera]

9-4 compared to 20-14 isn't a fair comparasion anyway. I'd take 6 and 3 if we win and there is better chemistry, which i believe there is. I would trade him away and get more role players. Maggette is a slightly better Darius Miles in my opinion. They will fall apart like most pretender teams do after all star break.

Utah will make the playoffs.
Lakers and Clippers are still missing it.

haha you're funny. how is it not a fair comparison...anaylstys compare t mac being gone from houston, nash being gone from phoenix etc...corey's not the best player on his team, but he is the second option...they're better with him...

utah wont make the playoffs and wont have a .500 season.

[Caleb Cattivera]

also, games they've lost by 5 or 10 could've been won with corey in the lineup, the other players reallly have to step up their games, which they've done...but once he's back in the lineup they'll get outta the first round.

[itsjdiggity]

James Singleton is the shit

[Caleb Cattivera]

James Singleton is the shit

i watched singleton play in college alot. went to alot of his games...he was a beast, he has some good nights every now and then.

[itsjdiggity]

i hope Shaun Livingston can stay healthy throughout the rest of the season

big baller, shot caller

[ActorInThisPlay]

thought I would revive this seemings as they are probably playing each other next round...

[Caleb Cattivera]

thought I would revive this seemings as they are probably playing each other next round...

good call.

[Vincewithouthee]

Haha nice bump.

A Clippers/Lakers series would be great. I'd love to see that.

I'm rooting for the Clippers all the way.

[last light]

lakers will win the series in 6 if they do end up playing

[Scott Weber]

lakers will win the series in 6 if they do end up playing
i will kill myself if the Lakers do. Nice avatar...the poor man's Dennis Rodman

[last light]

i will kill myself if the Lakers do. Nice avatar...the poor man's Dennis Rodman

ive had season tickets to both the lakers and clippers so i dont really care either way next round.

watching evans guard kaman last night was almost awkward to even watch haha.

[Drew Beringer]

haha I voted "they both won't make the playoffs cause they both suck" hahaha

[ActorInThisPlay]

lakers will win the series in 6 if they do end up playing
nope Clippers in 6 baby...

[Caleb Cattivera]

nope Clippers in 6 baby...

better decide on a bet soon.

[Emopunkthrice]

I vote Clippers, Q Ross is amazing.

[Brownpants06]

Well I got that right, if they do end up playing, clippers in 7.

[ActorInThisPlay]

better decide on a bet soon.
I'm thinking either having an avatar of Bonds or a Kobe hate one and then your usertitle to match accordingly.

[Caleb Cattivera]

I'm thinking either having an avatar of Bonds or a Kobe hate one and then your usertitle to match accordingly.

sounds good. same for you, ill pick the avatar and user title:)

[ActorInThisPlay]

sounds good. same for you, ill pick the avatar and user title:)
sounds like a plan...and a bet it is. everyone else are witnesses.

edit: what if, now I mean what if, the Suns do pull the series out? does that mean I win, or the bet is off?