March Mayhem Round 1: New Found Glory vs. Forgive Durden

[Anton Djamoos]

Who is your favorite band out of these two? Be sure to read the replies for other users' cases for each band.

[batmannj]

Even though I love Forgive Durden, I gotta go with NFG on this one. NFG's discography is much more in volume and they are all great.

[Bruised26]

I love both bands, but FD is much more original and creative, in my opinion.

[b4_dRun]

Nfg

[Iwudstilldie4u]

This is unfair. But FD all the way!

[CarryOn09]

NFG for the win. how is this even a comparison?

[bailmeout13]

New Found Glory.

[DandonTRJ]

This'll be a blow-out for the AP darlings, but Wonderland is more interesting than anything NFG have ever written. Ever.

[Matthew Tsai]

I love both bands, but FD is much more original and creative, in my opinion.

Adding some twinkly pretentious strings and whatnot in the background to some generic pop/rock tune is not "original and creative," it's just stupid and boring. NFG has survived the test of time, whereas FD has put out one of the most forgettable "musical" albums in history.

[Joe DeAndrea]

Poor FD.

[fly_guy]

NFG all the way

[PenThrive]

NFG because I listen to my friends.

[batmannj]

Poor FD.

Exactly what I am thinking.

[blimpcityhero11]

Despite Razia's Shadow's awesomeness, gotta love NFG...

[tonighttonight0]

New Found Glory

[The Summer Ends]

NFG is one of my faves ever, but FD is pretty solid.

[its all good 03]

if this were a contest of albums, i would take either of forgive durden's cds over everything from nfg but the self-titled. but releasing badass cds from 1997 to now definitely outweighs forgive durden's two cds, as amazing as they are.

im glad to see at least some votes for FD tho

[ashiex3]

I just went with Forgive Durden.

[katieissweet]

Poor Forgive Durden.

[TSLROCKS]

Nfg!

[Nick Le]

I love Razia's Shadow, but NFG is special, pop punk is my favorite. Love that band.

[notoaststereo]

new found glory.

[*crying stars*]

I adore both bands, but NFG has just had too big of a presence in my life for them to not get my vote. We'll see what else Forgive Durden can do in the future.

[TwoTongues]

New Found Glory! Represent Coral Springs.. hah. seeing them tomorrow too.. stoked!

[HelpMeSleep]

Not Without A Fight is my favorite release of the year so far.

[WhoSaidThat?]

Poor FD.
Hey, they're faring better than Good Charlotte?

So, who'd you vote for, man?

[Ryzenfall]

Another unfair match-up. Had to go with nfg though.

[XEmoBoyShandorX]

NFG for sure, sucks to see FD leave so early.

[Thomas Balkcom]

Forgive Durden

[lenard27]

I like both, but I had to go with NFG for their deeper catalog.

[Broden Terry]

New Found Glory.

[jimjam32]

i will vote for nfg no matter who they face.

[jimjam32]

Not Without A Fight is my favorite release of my life so far.


fixed :-)

[wheresadalia]

Poor Forgive Durden.

seriously :[
Razia's Shadow is amazing, as is Wonderland. they got my vote

[Rob Hrx]

Yeah, NFG. Give FD a few years...

[katieissweet]

seriously :[
Razia's Shadow is amazing, as is Wonderland. they got my vote
I voted for NFG. Haha. Forgive Durden is fantastic though.

[kdefrisc]

hmm this one made me think a bit, but i still have to go with NFG, so good

[drudo182]

Going to be hard for me to vote for many bands over NFG. I have a ton of respect for those guys. They never disappoint.

[pblest]

NFG for their self-titled and sticks and stones.

[Imperfektion]

Although I love FD's Razia's Shadow for its creativity and uniqueness, I have to go with NFG.

[taylerx0]

I love both bands, but FD is much more original and creative, in my opinion.


This.

[altemose09]

nfg

[HelpMeSleep]

fixed :-)
haha. it's an awesome album, but I don't think it can beat Forget What You Know for me.

[Broclee]

Damn this was hard.

[fromoc2dc]

New Found Glory, although I've been listening to Razia's Shadow more than the last NFG disc. NFG has meant a lot to me over the years.

[jimjam32]

haha. it's an awesome album, but I don't think it can beat Forget What You Know for me.
alright, that's respectable :)
every time BN, FOB, or NFG release a new album, I am on a high of that band for months. my favorite record is a toss-up between all 3 of them too :-( can't decide, deja/tttyg/nwoaf

[jimjam32]

I like FD, but I'm surprised they even got this many votes to be honest.

[Keagan Ilvonen]

I love Thomas but all of you saying that they are more creative needs to check things out. Wonderland was basically a FD Gatsby's album and Razia's Shadow was a The Dear Hunter album. Sure both albums are great but there isn't a lot of originality going on.

[anthonydarko]

One album compared to a discography of awesome records? NFG hands down.

[ghsNICK!]

nfg

[Samlynire...]

Wow. It's a band who has never made a song that I didn't like vs. a band who hasn't made a single song I that I like. NFG wins for me hands down.

[HelpMeSleep]

alright, that's respectable :)
every time BN, FOB, or NFG release a new album, I am on a high of that band for months. my favorite record is a toss-up between all 3 of them too :-( can't decide, deja/tttyg/nwoaf
very understandable. I always do that with my favorite bands, Fall Out Boy being one of them. I always listen to bands more before/after I see them live or before/after they have a new release, always.

[Bluth]

ouch. i voted forgive durden, but i really don't expect them (him, whatever) to win.

[SteffRyanFail]

New Found Glory.

[Chris Fallon]

Thomas, you've done some truly miraculous things with your musical career... but I can't vote against NFG. Simply cannot do it. Sorry.

[timb89]

Adding some twinkly pretentious strings and whatnot in the background to some generic pop/rock tune is not "original and creative," it's just stupid and boring. NFG has survived the test of time, whereas FD has put out one of the most forgettable "musical" albums in history.

the sound they create is much more original... and whilst nfg where one of the original pop punk outfits... the sound is just getting so stale...

[SingleDoubt]

FD doesn't stand a chance... understandably, of course.

[timb89]

Thomas, you've done some truly miraculous things with your musical career... but I can't vote against NFG. Simply cannot do it. Sorry.

:( poor forgive durden

[atticusfinch]

New Found Glory

[meroki22]

One album compared to a discography of awesome records? NFG hands down.

Be sure to remember saying this when Taking Back Sunday goes against Radiohead and wins.

[anthonydarko]

Be sure to remember saying this when TBS gets to the final round.
Will do!! :wave:

[boldt_action]

NFG, obvs.

[icarolina]

loved early forgive durden, hate their new stuff. they shouldn't even go by the same name anymore.

[Co and Ca]

Forgive Durden. Razia's Shadows was one of my favorites of last year. Plus I haven't been into NFG since I was 13.

[Bryant]

Don't know who Forgive Durden are, but I'm sure it wouldn't change my vote.

[abandonship]

forgive durden easily

[Olympia]

Yeah Forgive Durden is pretty talented (Razia's shadow is awesome), but fuck, it's New Found Glory.

[Spenny]

I appreciate NFG for their massive contribution to the scene, but the question is which band you like more.
And that would be Forgive Durden, no doubt about it.

[Undue Noise]

Shame to see FD go out at this stage if the voting stays this way, but I have to go for NFG.

[RAMROD85]

I have never listened to Forgive Durden, but I do not fn care and it doesn't fn matter.

New Found Glory should take this entire competition without a fight. PERIOD.

[nowheregirl]

New Found Glory <3

[kazuma_ootaro28]

I like Razia's Shadow more than anything New Found Glory. Forgive Durden it is.

[denissuxx]

Even though I love Forgive Durden, I gotta go with NFG on this one. NFG's discography is much more in volume and they are all great.

Sums up why I voted for them too

[OnaedInSpace]

yuck at the scores.

[thehereaway]

I think Wonderland is far better than anything NFG has ever put out so i'm voting for FD

[sargentlgfuad]

i haven't listened to a lot of NFG, and FD has put out two astounding records back to back.

[tommy's ghost]

This'll be a blow-out for the AP darlings, but Wonderland is more interesting than anything NFG have ever written. Ever.

So true.

[Everiggs]

Nfg.

[fightoffyrdmns]

NFG isn't winning by enough yet.

[bdil]

I figured New Found Glory would be winning in this, but i hoped the margin would be a little smaller.

[trappedintime]

New Found Glory ftw.

[SAOsurviveSTD]

NFG should take this one easily. I am loving Not Without A Fight

[TalkShowsOnMute]

NFG but I do love FD.

[c_rob2700]

NFG is decent but I really think NWAF is a complete step back for them. It's basically an album they've already made 3 times before compared to the steps forward they made with Coming Home. Plus, I can never get over how terrible their lyrics are

Forgive Durden are far more original and creative. Both albums they've put out have been better than NFG's best by a landslide for me. They won't win, which is fine because I still really respect and moderately enjoy NFG

[phoenixinflames]

NFG are kings.

[ijbet59]

razia's shadow was awesome, but its nfg!

[paramorekicks]

new found glory, without a doubt.

[nickthehick2]

Not a very fair fight, but I picked Forgive Durden anyway.

[Qwhacker]

not much can top Razia's Shadow in my opinion, and NFG just isn't doing it for me as much as they used to. Forgive durden gets my vote

[RonStoppable]

Pretty sure NFG will win handily here, though I've heard Forgive Durden are sick. And if that's a Fight Club nod in their name, I dig it. Though Sticks & Stones, Self-Titled, Nothing Gold Can Stay, Coming Home (Underrated IMO) and Not Without a Fight win.

[FueledByFrodo]

I had to go with NFG, only because I couldn't get in to Wonderland.

[Curtis&BemisRok]

It's upsetting that Forgive Durden had to be paired with them. With an album like Razia's Shadow its hard to vote against them, but you can't vote against NFG ever

[CullenhasBadEye]

New Found Glorry all the way. There are amazing, proablly one of the best bands ever.

[nickstetina]

This'll be a blow-out for the AP darlings, but Wonderland is more interesting than anything NFG have ever written. Ever.

This.

I don't get the hype surrounded by NFG here. Especially about the new album. I listened to it when it was available to stream, it felt generic and the chug - FYS/ADTR esque parts forced coming from NFG.

[berskyjr]

forgive durden = more talent, hands down.

[Alex DiVincenzo]

The last Forgive Durden album was one of my favorite releases of 08, but very few bands can top NFG.

[Uwe Blab]

I didn't like NFG until Not Without a Fight, and I like both FD albums, so I gotta go with Forgive Durden.

[bobby runs]

NFG is decent but I really think NWAF is a complete step back for them. It's basically an album they've already made 3 times before compared to the steps forward they made with Coming Home. Plus, I can never get over how terrible their lyrics are
Steve is NOT a terrible lyricist at all. He's just not grown all that much from when he first started writing. I swear some of the lines from NGCS are better than NWAF but maybe it's because of how young he was when he wrote it. There are far worse lyricists out than than Steve. But I do agree with their lyrics not improving much over the last few records.

[bobby runs]

Oh and I don't think there's ever a band that I would vote for over New Found Glory. If anyone it'd have to be The Starting Line but even than it would be close.

[Mr. Ryan]

New Found Glory.

I enjoy both bands though.

[Chemical Love]

New Found Glory by a long shot.

[Jamos4184]

whereas FD has put out one of the most forgettable "musical" albums in history.


Seriously?

Don't get me wrong, I voted for NFG, but seriously?? "Forgettable"??

[cscwell107]

Razia's Shadow was sweet but no one beats out NFG for me.

[zubinmoosa]

Damn, this one is tough. I love everything NFG, and am going to see them at the end of the month. But Forgive Durden is probably one of the most creative artists in the scene today, and just for the masterpiece that was Razia's Shadow, FD gets my vote.

[Rest_Easy]

this is an unfortunate matchup for forgive durden.

[Galedeep]

This was at once tough and really easy to decide. I love Forgive Durden, but really there's no way I can't give the vote to NFG.

[bobby runs]

Who is your favorite band out of these two? Be sure to read the replies for other users' cases for each band.
Why did Sugarcult get removed?

[just-in.]

NFG going all the way? They've got my vote.

[Anton Djamoos]

Why did Sugarcult get removed?
FD's fanbase is bigger on this site at this point.

[Matthew Tsai]

the sound they create is much more original... and whilst nfg where one of the original pop punk outfits... the sound is just getting so stale...

The sound isn't original at all, it's the same pop/rock formula. Don't let him trick you by adding some cool fake instruments in the back, it's all been done before.

Seriously?

Don't get me wrong, I voted for NFG, but seriously?? "Forgettable"??

Seriously boiiiii. Whatever your opinion may be, no one was talking about the album 2 weeks after its release and the music absolutely sucked.

[flyingmonkey711]

I love Forgive Durden a lot right now. Razia's Shadow is constantly played in my apartment. But I mean, its hard to pick one album over the entirety of NFG

[SeanEBoy2686]

i thought this would be closer... but my vote definitely goes to NFG

[realt]

easy-new found glory! seeing them saturday and i can not wait (havent seen them in a while)

[albertofernande]

Nfg

[live.]

I voted for NFG. Razia's Shadow was horrible.

[ryheeles]

NFG has consistently been topping my itunes playcount for many years

[ThisIsNotDan]

New Found Glory, but I think I like Wonderland more than any NFG record

[ZachMadeMeOdd]

nfg because all of those pop punk love songs never get old. and well, i've never heard a single FD song.

[TheHoldSteady]

Way way hard choice.
I had to go with FD though.
Sorry NFG.

[TheClockSounds]

New Found Glory

[rickbarrera]

not fair poor FD still Razia's Shadow is better than not without a fight (Love both records)

have to go with one of the bands that started me into pop punk NFG

FD Rocks anyway

[holyballs]

New Found all the way.

[h1pbones]

YOU WERE EVERYTHING I WANTED BUT I JUST CAN'T FINISH WHAT I STARTED.

I don't know who the fuck FD are so... y'know. NFG got the vote.

[xJesusFreakx]

Razia's Shadow was a respectable project, but I just couldn't get into it. New Found Glory is one of my favorite pop punk bands, and I loved most of Not Without a Fight, so I went with them.

[E.VonDahl]

It's tough to vote against Forgive Durden, but it's NEW FOUND GLORY.

[handlikesecret]

Razia's Shadow is amazing, but NFG has a much more substantial discography.

[ATL182fan]

New Found Glory

[aaroncapps]

thats too bad. durden's a winner in my book though

[Bruised26]

Adding some twinkly pretentious strings and whatnot in the background to some generic pop/rock tune is not "original and creative," it's just stupid and boring. NFG has survived the test of time, whereas FD has put out one of the most forgettable "musical" albums in history.

Totally disagree. Have you heard both of FD's albums in their entirety? Wonderland in particular is much more than generic pop/rock. I would say NFG is much more generic than them (not saying I dont love them, though!). There are only a few bands that sound similar to FD, but hundreds that sound very similar to NFG.

[steveC]

I love both bands, but FD is much more original and creative, in my opinion.

Adding some twinkly pretentious strings and whatnot in the background to some generic pop/rock tune is not "original and creative," it's just stupid and boring. NFG has survived the test of time, whereas FD has put out one of the most forgettable "musical" albums in history.

I'd hardly consider any of Forgive Durden's stuff, generic, especially nothing from Razia's Shadow. Don't get me wrong, I do enjoy me some NFG, but just about any honest person can name 5-10 bands that sound like New Found Glory without blinking. They haven't really evolved or changed a whole lot throughout their career, whereas Thomas Dutton is trying new things.

edit: I wish I had read that post above me before posting essentially the same exact thing myself. Right on, Bruised26. Fight the good fight. That being said, everyone knew NFG was going to trump Forgive Durden. Nice to see all the love in this thread though.

[jimofbudapest]

Forgive Durden because of the balls it takes to make an album like Razia's Shadow

[Laburnum]

surprises me this isn't more one sided.

[more heart]

I could give a shit less about Raiza's Shadow. This is NFG were talking about.

[Matthew Tsai]

Totally disagree. Have you heard both of FD's albums in their entirety? Wonderland in particular is much more than generic pop/rock. I would say NFG is much more generic than them (not saying I dont love them, though!). There are only a few bands that sound similar to FD, but hundreds that sound very similar to NFG.

I'd hardly consider any of Forgive Durden's stuff, generic, especially nothing from Razia's Shadow. Don't get me wrong, I do enjoy me some NFG, but just about any honest person can name 5-10 bands that sound like New Found Glory without blinking. They haven't really evolved or changed a whole lot throughout their career, whereas Thomas Dutton is trying new things.

edit: I wish I had read that post above me before posting essentially the same exact thing myself. Right on, Bruised26. Fight the good fight. That being said, everyone knew NFG was going to trump Forgive Durden. Nice to see all the love in this thread though.

Forgive Durden only SOUNDS like it's original. It's really the same pop/rock formula with some fake "epic" instruments in the back.

[littlebeav]

Adding some twinkly pretentious strings and whatnot in the background to some generic pop/rock tune is not "original and creative," it's just stupid and boring. NFG has survived the test of time, whereas FD has put out one of the most forgettable "musical" albums in history.

Well, my opinion is that your opinion sucks, and is wrong. Plus, I get the feeling you're a major douche from just this post alone. But, that being said, NFG running away with this one is not only fair, its expected. NFG has just done more for the scene and really brought originality to an unoriginal sound. I guess I'd be more sympathetic to your asshole view if I didn't think Forgive Durden had some good music, but that's just bullshit. So put the clown suit back in the closet buddy. We all love NFG, no sense in starting a crusade over it.

[Brett3]

New Found Glory.

[timb89]

The sound isn't original at all, it's the same pop/rock formula. Don't let him trick you by adding some cool fake instruments in the back, it's all been done before.

whats the pop rock formula?
its alot more original than the typical pop punk formula. and dont get me wrong i LOVE pop punk. but im sick to death of a hearing lines like dressed to kill in every second song.
and it isnt just the strings... he creates some amazing melodies which i consider very orignal in both albums. annd the concept of a musical was great. very difficult to pull of.

[11:11]

This is almost as bad as the blink/Northstar poll.

[spunkmastaflex]

got into NFG from their last cd and i like it a lot so easy choice for me, that and ive never listened to FD

[stevoemo]

had to flip a coin on this one!

[WFUJerseyJon]

Like Forgive Durden a lot, but NFG is my all time fav. I have to go with them.

[Praetor]

This'll be a blow-out for the AP darlings, but Wonderland is more interesting than anything NFG have ever written. Ever.
Unquestionably. Album will never get old for me.

[UnderMyDreams]

Forgive Durden only SOUNDS like it's original. It's really the same pop/rock formula with some fake "epic" instruments in the back.

When I think if pop punk and NFG, I think people lump some bands like this in the "generic" category... But back then there weren't TONS of bands that sounded like them. Now look at most pop punk bands. NFG is going to be HIGH on their list of inspirations... If you're just a generic crappy band that sounds like everyone else how can you inspire so many other bands?

People followed them, they didn't follow so much... In my opinion.

[Kyrsta]

nfg

[Matthew Tsai]

whats the pop rock formula?
its alot more original than the typical pop punk formula. and dont get me wrong i LOVE pop punk. but im sick to death of a hearing lines like dressed to kill in every second song.
and it isnt just the strings... he creates some amazing melodies which i consider very orignal in both albums. annd the concept of a musical was great. very difficult to pull of.

It's not pop-punk, it's pop/rock. Refer to several posts above this one where the guys says they sound like Dear Hunter. And they do, so much so that it's boring. The Dear Hunter isn't even good. He doesn't pull off any new melodies, if you listen around even within the "scene", you can tell the melodies are pitifully recycled. The record sounded like it took no effort at all to write. It's easy to slap some generic Dear Hunter melody on a CD and decorate it with some pretentious background instruments that add nothing to the album whatsoever and call it a "musical." The storyline was also shamefully pretentious. Razia's Shadow was one of the worst albums of 2008 - FD please stick to Wonderland stuff.

[Matthew Tsai]

Well, my opinion is that your opinion sucks, and is wrong. Plus, I get the feeling you're a major douche from just this post alone. But, that being said, NFG running away with this one is not only fair, its expected. NFG has just done more for the scene and really brought originality to an unoriginal sound. I guess I'd be more sympathetic to your asshole view if I didn't think Forgive Durden had some good music, but that's just bullshit. So put the clown suit back in the closet buddy. We all love NFG, no sense in starting a crusade over it.

Shhhh, there there. No need to get angry about FD hopelessly sucking.

I don't like NFG that much, but FD deserves next to 0 praise.

[RAMROD85]

I'd hardly consider any of Forgive Durden's stuff, generic, especially nothing from Razia's Shadow. Don't get me wrong, I do enjoy me some NFG, but just about any honest person can name 5-10 bands that sound like New Found Glory without blinking. They haven't really evolved or changed a whole lot throughout their career, whereas Thomas Dutton is trying new things.

edit: I wish I had read that post above me before posting essentially the same exact thing myself. Right on, Bruised26. Fight the good fight. That being said, everyone knew NFG was going to trump Forgive Durden. Nice to see all the love in this thread though.

I know a couple people have already pointed this out, but you all need to understand that NFG released their first album in 1999 (was there one before that???) BEFORE the 5-10 bands that could be named. And if you want to challenge that, then I would like you to name the 5-10 bands in this thread so I can give your argument a fair chance. Otherwise, use a little historical perspective. NFG shouldn't take the slack for other bands mirroring their sound.

as for the evolving argument, I disagree. I can understand ppl saying that the first 3 albums sound "unevolved" but catalyst definately takes a step out of the ordinary NFG imo, and Coming home is totally different, much softer in lyrics and music. Coming Home side by side to self-titled shows clear evolution and change. Then they put out a hardcore album (although I know it's not truly 'NFG') and now NWAF. TEN awesome years of NFG.

NFG fans can see the changes from album to album. it's great that you're showing love for the underdog, but there's no reason to humble NFG's career.

[Troggy]

Forgive Durden only SOUNDS like it's original. It's really the same pop/rock formula with some fake "epic" instruments in the back.

I'll tell you what, it's really killing me how small of an effort it takes to impress the little scenesters in here. Razia's Shadow is a complete joke, but it has kids convinced that Forgive Durden are branching out into some epic musical territory. It's simply the same garbage, and I can't help but laugh at all those 'strings' that have replaced the guitars. I'm sure classical violinists are rolling over in their graves. What a pretentious sack of crap. Even though their first record was a Gatsby's ripoff, it is far less obnoxious.

New Found Glory should be getting a much higher percentage on this one. It's cute that people who listen to Forgive Durden are complaining about a lack of orginality, but let's look at the facts here. New Found Glory has been around for 10+ years in a genre that almost always is stale by a band's second album. They have toured relentlessly and built a solid reputation among their fans. They are still true to what they were when they first started out. Their hooks are endearing and their melodies are infectious. They have had a few missteps along the way, but come on, they are icons around here.

[Broclee]

I'll tell you what, it's really killing me how small of an effort it takes to impress the little scenesters in here. Razia's Shadow is a complete joke, but it has kids convinced that Forgive Durden are branching out into some epic musical territory. It's simply the same garbage, and I can't help but laugh at all those 'strings' that have replaced the guitars. I'm sure classical violinists are rolling over in their graves. What a pretentious sack of crap. Even though their first record was a Gatsby's ripoff, it is far less obnoxious.

New Found Glory should be getting a much higher percentage on this one. It's cute that people who listen to Forgive Durden are complaining about a lack of orginality, but let's look at the facts here. New Found Glory has been around for 10+ years in a genre that almost always is stale by a band's second album. They have toured relentlessly and built a solid reputation among their fans. They are still true to what they were when they first started out. Their hooks are endearing and their melodies are infectious. They have had a few missteps along the way, but come on, they are icons around here.
I'll tell you what, it's really killing me how small of an effort it takes to piss off older pretentious scenesters in here.

[Troggy]

older pretentious scenesters

What does that even mean??

[Broclee]

What does that even mean??
:shrug:

It just seems that the people slamming on the Forgive Durden fans are citing time as a factor, and they're usually older than than the FD fans.

[bobby runs]

I'll tell you what, it's really killing me how small of an effort it takes to impress the little scenesters in here. Razia's Shadow is a complete joke, but it has kids convinced that Forgive Durden are branching out into some epic musical territory. It's simply the same garbage, and I can't help but laugh at all those 'strings' that have replaced the guitars. I'm sure classical violinists are rolling over in their graves. What a pretentious sack of crap. Even though their first record was a Gatsby's ripoff, it is far less obnoxious.

New Found Glory should be getting a much higher percentage on this one. It's cute that people who listen to Forgive Durden are complaining about a lack of orginality, but let's look at the facts here. New Found Glory has been around for 10+ years in a genre that almost always is stale by a band's second album. They have toured relentlessly and built a solid reputation among their fans. They are still true to what they were when they first started out. Their hooks are endearing and their melodies are infectious. They have had a few missteps along the way, but come on, they are icons around here.
Agreed.
:shrug:

It just seems that the people slamming on the Forgive Durden fans are citing time as a factor, and they're usually older than than the FD fans.
Time should be a factor in having a favorite band. A band needs to stand the test of time. I used to LOVE TAI during Almost Here but Fast Times sucked so they aren't a favorite anymore.

[bobby runs]

What's the best Forgive Durden off of Wonderland?

[Broclee]

Agreed.

Time should be a factor in having a favorite band. A band needs to stand the test of time. I used to LOVE TAI during Almost Here but Fast Times sucked so they aren't a favorite anymore.
Time SHOULD be a factor, but it's not always. Yes, New Found Glory have longevity. Hell, I VOTED for New Found Glory. They've been a favorite for a while. But to completely wail on other and/or younger members because they like Forgive Durden more, and saying that NFG being around longer is part of the justification, just doesn't make sense, at least not to me.

[RAMROD85]

Time SHOULD be a factor, but it's not always. Yes, New Found Glory have longevity. Hell, I VOTED for New Found Glory. They've been a favorite for a while. But to completely wail on other and/or younger members because they like Forgive Durden more, and saying that NFG being around longer is part of the justification, just doesn't make sense, at least not to me.

you best not be calling me old, mr. broclee.

[Broclee]

you best not be calling me old, mr. broclee.
;-)
Not old, just older.

:-)

[RAMROD85]

;-)
Not old, just older.

:-)

well... fine...

I wasn't "wailing" on younger members for choosing FD, I was arguing the point made by the younger members that NFG isn't original or maturing. Besides, us old folks can use the same argument towards them-- longevity shouldn't be a factor with talent, but it's definately a factor with originality.

respect your elders. ha.

[Broclee]

well... fine...

I wasn't "wailing" on younger members for choosing FD, I was arguing the point made by the younger members that NFG isn't original or maturing. Besides, us old folks can use the same argument towards them-- longevity shouldn't be a factor with talent, but it's definately a factor with originality.

respect your elders. ha.
True. I guess it just seemed unfair that some older members were going off about how they're idiots for thinking Razia's Shadow was in any way original and that Forgive Durden was awful, etc. My comment wasn't directed at you.

I understood your argument, it's ridiculous to say that New Found Glory have sounded exactly the same for 10 years. But I think it's also ridiculous to say that Razia's Shadow is completely unoriginal and sounds like everything else out there and that they can't understand that because they're not old enough to have been listening to pop punk music for as long as someone else.

Beeteedubs, I voted New Found Glory, haha.

[Matthew Tsai]

I'll tell you what, it's really killing me how small of an effort it takes to impress the little scenesters in here. Razia's Shadow is a complete joke, but it has kids convinced that Forgive Durden are branching out into some epic musical territory. It's simply the same garbage, and I can't help but laugh at all those 'strings' that have replaced the guitars. I'm sure classical violinists are rolling over in their graves. What a pretentious sack of crap. Even though their first record was a Gatsby's ripoff, it is far less obnoxious.

New Found Glory should be getting a much higher percentage on this one. It's cute that people who listen to Forgive Durden are complaining about a lack of orginality, but let's look at the facts here. New Found Glory has been around for 10+ years in a genre that almost always is stale by a band's second album. They have toured relentlessly and built a solid reputation among their fans. They are still true to what they were when they first started out. Their hooks are endearing and their melodies are infectious. They have had a few missteps along the way, but come on, they are icons around here.

Bless you for your voice of reason.

[thesafeword]

Razia's Shadow was fucking terrible, but NFG isn't much better and Wonderland got my vote.

[Troggy]

Bless you for your voice of reason.

I did it just for you, haha.