Moving to the US

[ChrisFranz]

Yo! I'm about to move to USA from Sweden. It'll probably happen within a year or two. I've finished High School and I'm into music and have always been, I'm playing the guitar and drums. So I was wondering if you guys have like any tips of any cities to check out if I wanna keep my old interests alive and healthy:P
I know Nashville is all about music, but what more is there? And is there any special Universities/Colleges I should check out if I'm about to study Music Production and/or Management? Would be awesome to be able to get a band together again besides work and studies :) My life is surronded by music in all ways and I'd like to keep it that way even though i'm leaving my old life and country, so what do you say? All answers will be appreciated! thanks:)

//Christopher

[jusscali]

Stay in Sweden, America fucking blows. I'm moving your away as soon as humanly possible

[killerswells]

stay in europe dude. everything you ever want to know about america is on television and in movies. just live vicariously through us. you will thank us later.

[anthonydarko]

Stay in Sweden. America may seem like a shinny brass ring, but honestly, this country sucks. Besides from what I've seen, Sweden seems like an awesome place to live if you don't mind the weather.

[uglystar03]

Seriously, stay in Sweden. You're in a country of beautiful people, why would you want to leave that?

[Srsly]

Go to America!

[.invisible ink.]

i'm hopping on the "stay in Sweden" bandwagon as well. I'd trade places with you in a heartbeat if I could get out of this godforsaken country legally.

[4N6 science]

Wow...lots of hate for the homeland. No matter how shitty America is doing at a certain point, it's still one of the best places to live.

[.invisible ink.]

Wow...lots of hate for the homeland. No matter how shitty America is doing at a certain point, it's still one of the best places to live.

that's what they'd like you to think (the Powers that Be). Have you ever lived in another country? Spent a lot of time in another country (i.e., more than just a week or two)? If not, how could you really know for sure? There are probably at least 10+ places outside of the US that I personally would rather live than the US. The US is not all it's cracked up to be, in good times or bad times economically. My opinion is based more on the erosion of our civil liberties and that great thing known as the Constitution than anything else. The US was a great country once, I don't feel that it's living up to its potential now.

[jusscali]

Does the Swedish government pay its citizens to go to college?

[4N6 science]

that's what they'd like you to think (the Powers that Be). Have you ever lived in another country? Spent a lot of time in another country (i.e., more than just a week or two)? If not, how could you really know for sure? There are probably at least 10+ places outside of the US that I personally would rather live than the US. The US is not all it's cracked up to be, in good times or bad times economically. My opinion is based more on the erosion of our civil liberties and that great thing known as the Constitution than anything else. The US was a great country once, I don't feel that it's living up to its potential now.

Alright I'll agree, we do live in an age where we have lost many freedoms and are constantly being watched. I have been all over Europe not for an extended period of time but enough to get a taste of their lives and I would still choose America.

[.invisible ink.]

Does the Sweden government pay its citizens to go to college?

Yikes, if that's what a college degree in the United States gets you for free, I think you would have been better off paying for your education.

I believe the word you were looking for was "Swedish"

...and yes, I'm just fucking with you because you made it so easy. no hard feelings, I hope.

[jusscali]

Ooops, do they though?

[ChrisFranz]

jussacali tp reply on your message - Indeed i can get money to study abroad otherwise I would never afford college.

It seems like I won't get any other answers than to stay where I'm at! I love my country seriously. Swe is like the best country in the world, but to open up my world and to live around people and study where I have no choise but speaking English I see as an oppurtunity, that's why I'm going. I personally know that it's nothing like what you see on TV man! I'm just looking for some advice and tips from people who has spent their whole lives there that's all.
I won't move there to stay forever, I just need some change in my life and to keep on studying and crap and I chose US over England cus it's so much like home and I've been there several times.

So if you guys could come with some advice and answers that would be awesome :D BTW you should come visit Sweden^^

[Simulcast]

Stay in Sweden, America fucking blows. I'm moving your away as soon as humanly possible

stay in europe dude. everything you ever want to know about america is on television and in movies. just live vicariously through us. you will thank us later.

Stay in Sweden. America may seem like a shinny brass ring, but honestly, this country sucks. Besides from what I've seen, Sweden seems like an awesome place to live if you don't mind the weather.

Seriously, stay in Sweden. You're in a country of beautiful people, why would you want to leave that?

i'm hopping on the "stay in Sweden" bandwagon as well. I'd trade places with you in a heartbeat if I could get out of this godforsaken country legally.

Lol. Go back to this thread once you've spent a considerable amount of time in another country. You will be begging to come back to the U.S. No country on earth has it as good as we do.

[anthonydarko]

Lol. Go back to this thread once you've spent a considerable amount of time in another country. You will be begging to come back to the U.S. No country on earth has it as good as we do.
I'd rather live in a hut in Africa then deal with some of the complete dumbasses that infest this country.

[jusscali]

Lol. Go back to this thread once you've spent a considerable amount of time in another country. You will be begging to come back to the U.S. No country on earth has it as good as we do.

No. I don't have to spend anytime in any country to know how much I dislike the one I live in now.

[.invisible ink.]

Lol. Go back to this thread once you've spent a considerable amount of time in another country. You will be begging to come back to the U.S. No country on earth has it as good as we do.

I have, see my post above. I have lived in Europe and have spent a few months in Brazil as well, in addition to traveling extensively all over the world for shorter time spans. I'm hoping you have more evidence to back up your claim than just the unproven exclamation that "no country on earth has it as good as we do".

[jusscali]

I'd rather live in a hut in Africa then deal with some of the complete dumbasses that infest this country.

Word.

I owe our federal government somewhere near 90 grand in loans - in this country I have to PAY and be in debt just so I can become a valuable asset in their little failing economy. It's a fucking injustice and practically criminal in my eyes. I'm going where education is valued above the military and where they PAY there students to attend colleges.

[killerswells]

Lol. Go back to this thread once you've spent a considerable amount of time in another country. You will be begging to come back to the U.S. No country on earth has it as good as we do.

ive spent the last 6 months living in europe. what is it like being a moron?

[thespearkid]

Lol. Go back to this thread once you've spent a considerable amount of time in another country. You will be begging to come back to the U.S. No country on earth has it as good as we do.
I spies a republican!

[jusscali]

hahaha

[jusscali]

No but we should abandon this fight and actually help the kid out...I'm what you would call less than traveled both abroad and within our country so aside from say Boston, I'm at a loss ahahah. Go to one of the big cities man, take it all in. I mean Tenn may be all about music, but so are a ton of other places in our country. I think you'd get a better experience elsewhere

[Simulcast]

ive spent the last 6 months living in europe. what is it like being a moron?

I wouldn't know. But I've studied european and U.S. history extensively as well as knowing many people who have lived in Europe for years, and I can say, based these things, that the quality of life in America is substantially better, and has consistently been so for quite some time. What part of Europe were you living in? Germany is a pretty advanced nation. You should try spending some time in Eastern Europe before you resort to name calling.

I spies a republican!

Registered Independent. Nice try.

[thespearkid]

I wouldn't know. But I've studied european and U.S. history extensively as well as knowing many people who have lived in Europe for years, and I can say, based these things, that the quality of life in America is substantially better, and has consistently been so for quite some time. What part of Europe were you living in? Germany is a pretty advanced nation. You should try spending some time in Eastern Europe before you resort to name calling.



Registered Independent. Nice try.
I spies a republican who is a registered independent!

[anthonydarko]

I wouldn't know. But I've studied european and U.S. history extensively as well as knowing many people who have lived in Europe for years, and I can say, based these things, that the quality of life in America is substantially better, and has consistently been so for quite some time. What part of Europe were you living in? Germany is a pretty advanced nation. You should try spending some time in Eastern Europe before you resort to name calling.

Studying one's history and living in one's culture are two different things. Also you say the quality of life is better, but it's been proven that many countries around the world have a better health care system than we do as well as a longer span of life, along with healthier diets and a greater emphasis on education. Hell, plus the economies in other countries are doing much better than we are, for example, currently the Euro is worth more than the dollar. So in many ways, we are not the best nation on the planet, not by a long shot.

[jusscali]

Studying one's history and living in one's culture are two different things. Also you say the quality of life is better, but it's been proven that many countries around the world have a better health care system than we do as well as a longer span of life, along with healthier diets and a greater emphasis on education. Hell, plus the economies in other countries are doing much better than we are, for example, currently the Euro is worth more than the dollar. So in many ways, we are not the best nation on the planet, not by a long shot.

Got em!

[.invisible ink.]

I wouldn't know. But I've studied european and U.S. history extensively as well as knowing many people who have lived in Europe for years, and I can say, based these things, that the quality of life in America is substantially better, and has consistently been so for quite some time. What part of Europe were you living in? Germany is a pretty advanced nation. You should try spending some time in Eastern Europe before you resort to name calling.





I noticed you didn't quote me, I'm hoping you'll still explain to me why the quality of life in America is substantially better. Please? I'm sure you can find the reason in some of your history textbooks.

[ChrisFranz]

Ye I hear ya'll. And for all of you less familiar with Europe, it's everything from poor to rich, some countries like Ukraine, Belarus, Estonia, Lithuania, Albania and more has very low standards even though some of them are accually using the euro. Sweden and Norway for example are not using the euro and there for the market value of it doesn't really benefit sweden in times like these. And yes in some countries here we do have free Health care and for that i'm blessed. I've also recieved money equal to 100dollars every month from the government just to be in school learning, all this is awesome and other countries should learn from all this. Though what makes all this come true is taxes, our taxes are among the highes in the world if not the highest. So refering to Europe as a country is wrong cus the standards aren't near the same everywhere. It's probably as hard for you to fully understand our way here of living as it is for me to fully understand you.

Thanks jusscali for bringing this thread a little bit more back on track:P

[killerswells]

I wouldn't know. But I've studied european and U.S. history extensively as well as knowing many people who have lived in Europe for years, and I can say, based these things, that the quality of life in America is substantially better, and has consistently been so for quite some time. What part of Europe were you living in? Germany is a pretty advanced nation. You should try spending some time in Eastern Europe before you resort to name calling.



Registered Independent. Nice try.

sorry for name calling. just experience something first hand before you make a decision on it. books are not real life my friend.

[abusedvictim]

Yo! I'm about to move to USA from Sweden. It'll probably happen within a year or two. I've finished High School and I'm into music and have always been, I'm playing the guitar and drums. So I was wondering if you guys have like any tips of any cities to check out if I wanna keep my old interests alive and healthy:P
I know Nashville is all about music, but what more is there? And is there any special Universities/Colleges I should check out if I'm about to study Music Production and/or Management? Would be awesome to be able to get a band together again besides work and studies :) My life is surronded by music in all ways and I'd like to keep it that way even though i'm leaving my old life and country, so what do you say? All answers will be appreciated! thanks:)

//Christopher

when your 21 yrs old go to Las Vegas. No one where else. :) trust me on that one.

just don't lose all you money lol


I'd rather live in a hut in Africa then deal with some of the complete dumbasses that infest this country.

You wouldn't last a month.

No. I don't have to spend anytime in any country to know how much I dislike the one I live in now.
Word.

I owe our federal government somewhere near 90 grand in loans - in this country I have to PAY and be in debt just so I can become a valuable asset in their little failing economy. It's a fucking injustice and practically criminal in my eyes. I'm going where education is valued above the military and where they PAY there students to attend colleges.

Well I hate to break it you pal but if you wanna go to college it costs money and no one else should have to pay for you. Man up. Oh btw the military is what protects you from other countries invading. Just FYI. (oh yeah LOL @ your 90k)

Studying one's history and living in one's culture are two different things. Also you say the quality of life is better, but it's been proven that many countries around the world have a better health care system than we do as well as a longer span of life, along with healthier diets and a greater emphasis on education. Hell, plus the economies in other countries are doing much better than we are, for example, currently the Euro is worth more than the dollar. So in many ways, we are not the best nation on the planet, not by a long shot.

And most of them are tiny countries. The USA is quite large. We are also a very young country. If you don't like it then gtfo. Go to France or better yet Somalia since you wanted to live in Africa.

[jusscali]

lol

[undonesweater93]

Apparently no one's ever heard of "the grass is greener" complex.

[thespearkid]

Well I hate to break it you pal but if you wanna go to college it costs money and no one else should have to pay for you. Man up. Oh btw the military is what protects you from other countries invading. Just FYI. (oh yeah LOL @ your 90k)

Let me guess, your parents are republicans and you've simply listened and agreed with everything they've said. If you can't see the obvious injustice in living in a society where you have to have an education to be rich but the only way you can get an education is by either already being rich or by going broke with thousands in student loans, you're retarded. This system is set up so that the poor will, for the most part, stay poor and the rich will, for the most part, stay rich. It's fucking ridiculous.

Socialism, for the win.

[abusedvictim]

Let me guess, your parents are republicans and you've simply listened and agreed with everything they've said. If you can't see the obvious injustice in living in a society where you have to have an education to be rich but the only way you can get an education is by either already being rich or by going broke with thousands in student loans, you're retarded. This system is set up so that the poor will, for the most part, stay poor and the rich will, for the most part, stay rich. It's fucking ridiculous.

Socialism, for the win.

No they are both democrats. It is up to you to decide with what your are going to do with your own life. If honestly believe the man is always there to put you down or the "system" is set up in a way to make sure you stay put in one place. You won't go far in life. You have no one to blame but yourself. Everyone is dealt with a different deck of cards. You have to learn to manipulate it to your own favor.

FYI bashing "the man" isn't a good start.

[jusscali]

You still haven't put forth a solid argument as to why putting millions of college students in debt while also expecting them to act as valuable parts of a, I repeat, failing economy is beyond ridiculous. I'm not here to argue with you necessarily. The kid said he wanted to come to America, he then informed us that his government pays him money per week/month so that he can obtain an education that is valued in his country. They pay for him to gain that education so that he can then in turn provide for them. How are you going to say America is better than those countries that are willing to do that?

I won't even go on to address you're "protection" bit about the value of a military over sound education for a government's people.

[thespearkid]

No they are both democrats. It is up to you to decide with what your are going to do with your own life. If honestly believe the man is always there to put you down or the "system" is set up in a way to make sure you stay put in one place. You won't go far in life. You have no one to blame but yourself. Everyone is dealt with a different deck of cards. You have to learn to manipulate it to your own favor.

FYI bashing "the man" isn't a good start.
You assume that everyone's deck of cards is a full take, giving us all an equal chance at success and that's not true. The poor in this country are continually fucked over, creating a cycle where if your parents were poor, odds are, you're going to be poor too. The government has been fucking its own people in the ass for quite awhile now and you were one of the fortunate few who never had to deal with it, count yourself lucky. I, on the other hand, will just hope that my 30,000 a year I'll get as a starting teacher will be enough to pay off my student loans and, if i'm lucky, enough to keep me living comfortably.

And "bashing the man" is what our forefathers fought so hard to give us the right to do.

[thespearkid]

And LOL at your "the military is stopping us from being invaded" bit. I'm pretty sure America is doing all the invading. When was the last time anyone even tried to invade us?

[abusedvictim]

You still haven't put forth a solid argument as to why putting millions of college students in debt while also expecting them to act as valuable parts of a, I repeat, failing economy is beyond ridiculous. I'm not here to argue with you necessarily. The kid said he wanted to come to America, he then informed us that his government pays him money per week/month so that he can obtain an education that is valued in his country. They pay for him to gain that education so that he can then in turn provide for them. How are you going to say America is better than those countries that are willing to do that?

I won't even go on to address you're "protection" bit about the value of a military over sound education for a government's people.


We have top schools here. A lot of grad students are from different countries. Deterring people away from America b/c you decided to party and not get a scholarship isn't right. =\

You can join the military and get an online degree but it won't hold up to someone who has a degree from Yale or any other top school.

Regardless you just seem to wanna bash the USA b/c we aren't doing that great now. Just like changing teams when one is doing horrible to one is winning.

[jusscali]

You my dog Spear

[abusedvictim]

And LOL at your "the military is stopping us from being invaded" bit. I'm pretty sure America is doing all the invading. When was the last time anyone even tried to invade us?

If we had no military, we would be invaded.

just sayin

[jusscali]

We have top schools here. A lot of grad students are from different countries. Deterring people away from America b/c you decided to party and not get a scholarship isn't right. =\

You can join the military and get an online degree but it won't hold up to someone who has a degree from Yale or any other top school.

Regardless you just seem to wanna bash the USA b/c we aren't doing that great now. Just like changing teams when one is doing horrible to one is winning.

I'm graduating at the top of my class with a 3.98 GPA, 3rd in my high school graduating class of 750 kids - garnering a 13,000 scholarship per year for a school that costs 42,000 a year. Yes, it was a poor decision to go to said University, but we wouldn't have to pick and choose if things were the way they should be.

In less than 10 months I'll owe the government and a private lender 1000 + per month. That's not including any other expenses. At best, my first job will offer me 30,000 - 35,000 a year, even if I do in fact get hired in this economy. It's a bunch of shit and a ton of people are going through it. It's fucking disgusting.

[jusscali]

If we had no military, we would be invaded.

just sayin

No one said get rid of the military you dolt, they said that we spend far too much money on our military and not nearly enough on education.

[abusedvictim]

You assume that everyone's deck of cards is a full take, giving us all an equal chance at success and that's not true. The poor in this country are continually fucked over, creating a cycle where if your parents were poor, odds are, you're going to be poor too. The government has been fucking its own people in the ass for quite awhile now and you were one of the fortunate few who never had to deal with it, count yourself lucky. I, on the other hand, will just hope that my 30,000 a year I'll get as a starting teacher will be enough to pay off my student loans and, if i'm lucky, enough to keep me living comfortably.

And "bashing the man" is what our forefathers fought so hard to give us the right to do.


I said everyone deck of cards is different not the same. If you are poor you life will be harder then someone who is rich BUT it is up to YOU to get out of it. You make your own choices. Live with them.

Moaning and groaning about it will not do anything.

Give me one good reason as to why I or anyone else should pay for your problems? As matter fact just pm it. to save yourself the embarrassment.

[chicagogirll04]

Uhm every country feeds you bullshit, but really we are failing miserably.
We can't even educate our kids!
Slightly pathetic the way the taxes are wasted too.
I say England seems to have a decent system.

[thespearkid]

Regardless you just seem to wanna bash the USA b/c we aren't doing that great now. Just like changing teams when one is doing horrible to one is winning.
Awful analogy. A sports team is one thing but a government is way bigger than that. Our constitution says if our government is shitty, we have the right to bitch and complain until they change and if they don't, we have to right to get rid of them. You can keep licking America's balls all you want since you haven't seen how shitty our country can be.

You my dog Spear
Reppin' common sense, all day every day. /gangsta

If we had no military, we would be invaded.

just sayin
Captain obvious to the rescue! If that's what you think I said, obviously, you can't read.

I said everyone deck of cards is different not the same. If you are poor you life will be harder then someone who is rich BUT it is up to YOU to get out of it. You make your own choices. Live with them.

Moaning and groaning about it will not do anything.

Give me one good reason as to why I or anyone else should pay for your problems? As matter fact just pm it. to save yourself the embarrassment.
Who chooses to be poor? Are you saying someone who can't afford college has to live with the CHOICE they made to be born into a poor family, or live with the CHOICE they made that the government puts so little money into education that they were stuck with shitty teachers in shitty facilities that didn't educate them well enough to get a scholarship? Come on. Think things through before you talk. Our "moaning and groaning" as you call it is nothing more than a constitutional right to express disappointment with our government and, honestly, I don't think I've ever been so disappointed in our government.

By the way, it's really easy to say you shouldn't have to pay for anyone else's problems when you're on the other side of the fence. No one is saying you should. I'm just saying the government that WE have empowered is supposed to serve EVERYONE, not just itself and not just its wealthiest members.

[jusscali]

PM it so you're not embarrassed lol

[LaDiabla]

Yo! I'm about to move to USA from Sweden. It'll probably happen within a year or two. I've finished High School and I'm into music and have always been, I'm playing the guitar and drums. So I was wondering if you guys have like any tips of any cities to check out if I wanna keep my old interests alive and healthy:P
I know Nashville is all about music, but what more is there? And is there any special Universities/Colleges I should check out if I'm about to study Music Production and/or Management? Would be awesome to be able to get a band together again besides work and studies :) My life is surronded by music in all ways and I'd like to keep it that way even though i'm leaving my old life and country, so what do you say? All answers will be appreciated! thanks:)

//Christopher

How are you just 'moving to the us'? A normal travel visas lets you stay there for 3 months, work visa 6 months and student visa max. 10 months.

[abusedvictim]

Awful analogy. A sports team is one thing but a government is way bigger than that. Our constitution says if our government is shitty, we have the right to bitch and complain until they change and if they don't, we have to right to get rid of them. You can keep licking America's balls all you want since you haven't seen how shitty our country can be.

Hippy?



Who chooses to be poor? Are you saying someone who can't afford college has to live with the CHOICE they made to be born into a poor family, or live with the CHOICE they made that the government puts so little money into education that they were stuck with shitty teachers in shitty facilities that didn't educate them well enough to get a scholarship? Come on. Think things through before you talk. Our "moaning and groaning" as you call it is nothing more than a constitutional right to express disappointment with our government and, honestly, I don't think I've ever been so disappointed in our government.

By the way, it's really easy to say you shouldn't have to pay for anyone else's problems when you're on the other side of the fence. No one is saying you should. I'm just saying the government that WE have empowered is supposed to serve EVERYONE, not just itself and not just its wealthiest members.


reread my last post 10 times then come back maybe you'll see what I wrote instead of what you just posted.

I know freedom of speech is a right. Just saying it won't help your situation and it is often abused.

[abusedvictim]

How are you just 'moving to the us'? A normal travel visas lets you stay there for 3 months, work visa 6 months and student visa max. 10 months.

site for the OP http://travel.state.gov/visa/visa_1750.html

[thespearkid]

Free speech is often abused haha. You're so blind.

[anthonydarko]

You wouldn't last a month.

And most of them are tiny countries. The USA is quite large. We are also a very young country. If you don't like it then gtfo. Go to France or better yet Somalia since you wanted to live in Africa.
First off, I couldn't last a month? Says you. Second, size has nothing to do with the quality of a country. Japan is a freaking island in the Pacific and guess what, they're a better country with better healthcare, better available technology for its citizens, a better education system, etc. I can go on and on about this and the same with other countries too. Also age of a nation has nothing to do with anything as well, for example, Australia has been a independent nation for less that 108 years and they're doing better than us. Hell, I'd rather live in France, their culture and way of life is much better than ours and they don't dump their resources fighting a war that will never be won, a la The War On Terror. So thanks for the wonderful idea, viva la France!

[killerswells]

How are you just 'moving to the us'? A normal travel visas lets you stay there for 3 months, work visa 6 months and student visa max. 10 months.

that is exactly what i was thinking. he has a better chance of moving to canada.

[fightoffyrdmns]

If you can't see the obvious injustice in living in a society where you have to have an education to be rich but the only way you can get an education is by either already being rich or by going broke with thousands in student loans, you're retarded. This system is set up so that the poor will, for the most part, stay poor and the rich will, for the most part, stay rich. It's fucking ridiculous.

Socialism for the win.

</thread> Seriously, if you don't see the problems and continue to be blind-sighted by the fact that America must be perfect then there's no way anyone is going to convince you otherwise.

[kwsqd]

Socialism is the answer.

[kwsqd]

First off, I couldn't last a month? Says you. Second, size has nothing to do with the quality of a country. Japan is a freaking island in the Pacific and guess what, they're a better country with better healthcare, better available technology for its citizens, a better education system, etc. I can go on and on about this and the same with other countries too. Also age of a nation has nothing to do with anything as well, for example, Australia has been a independent nation for less that 108 years and they're doing better than us. Hell, I'd rather live in France, their culture and way of life is much better than ours and they don't dump their resources fighting a war that will never be won, a la The War On Terror. So thanks for the wonderful idea, viva la France!
The quality of life in Japan is not nearly as great as that in the U.S.

[bung]

Meh, there's a lot of shitty things about the U.S., but I'm pretty happy living here.

/guess I'm blind :shrug:

[jusscali]

We're Not Gonna Take it...NO! we're not gonna take it

[kwsqd]

Meh, there's a lot of shitty things about the U.S., but I'm pretty happy living here.

/guess I'm blind :shrug:
No, you aren't blind. Some people just go too overboard with their statements of resentment towards the US.

[bung]

First off, I couldn't last a month? Says you. Second, size has nothing to do with the quality of a country. Japan is a freaking island in the Pacific and guess what, they're a better country with better healthcare, better available technology for its citizens, a better education system, etc. I can go on and on about this and the same with other countries too. Also age of a nation has nothing to do with anything as well, for example, Australia has been a independent nation for less that 108 years and they're doing better than us. Hell, I'd rather live in France, their culture and way of life is much better than ours and they don't dump their resources fighting a war that will never be won, a la The War On Terror. So thanks for the wonderful idea, viva la France!

Hahaha, Australia won't even allow the fucking uncensored version of Grand Theft Auto.

[killerswells]

every place you live has ups and downs. i have lived in canada, US and now germany. all have positives, and all have negatives. it all depends on what you are looking for in life.

and no, socialism is not the answer. trust me, no one in canada is happy about paying taxes out the ass so some old lady can have her funbags scanned for cancer 20 times.

[kwsqd]

every place you live has ups and downs. i have lived in canada, US and now germany. all have positives, and all have negatives. it all depends on what you are looking for in life.

and no, socialism is not the answer. trust me, no one in canada is happy about paying taxes out the ass so some old lady can have her funbags scanned for cancer 20 times.
Canada has socialist programs, that's it.

[killerswells]

Canada has socialist programs, that's it.

you are correct. i was not saying they are a fully socialist nation. all i said was they have a socialist health care system.

[thespearkid]

I'd rather pay taxes out the ass than live in a society where people die simply because they don't have as much money as someone else. Think about it.

"Jane has money, so she gets to live. Jenny does not, so she dies." That's enraging.

[killerswells]

i see what you are saying. and i agree somewhat. the health care system in the US is brutal, it should be called a sick care system.

but there are perks for all countries, thats all i am saying.

[anthonydarko]

The quality of life in Japan is not nearly as great as that in the U.S.
That can be debated, based on what aspect of life you're talking about.
Hahaha, Australia won't even allow the fucking uncensored version of Grand Theft Auto.
That has nothing to do with the quality of life of Australia. That's a matter of censorship, not a matter that affects a person's ability to live comfortably in one place.

[bung]

That has nothing to do with the quality of life of Australia. That's a matter of censorship, not a matter that affects a person's ability to live comfortably in one place.

From my own personal standpoint, censorship up, quality of life down.

[fightoffyrdmns]

and no, socialism is not the answer. trust me, no one in canada is happy about paying taxes out the ass so some old lady can have her funbags scanned for cancer 20 times.

This is so blatantly ignorant I'm just going to reiterate this statement so somebody else can attempt to explain how much is wrong with this statement.

[anthonydarko]

From my own personal standpoint, censorship up, quality of life down.
Many nations around have censorship laws and in many ways, still have a better quality of life then we do. Germany for example, has a great quality of life for its people and also has some of the strictest censorship laws on the planet.

[bung]

Many nations around have censorship laws and in many ways, still have a better quality of life then we do. Germany for example, has a great quality of life for its people and also has some of the strictest censorship laws on the planet.

Right, that's overall. I'm talking me, personally. For me, censorship affects my quality of life a great deal.

[anthonydarko]

Right, that's overall. I'm talking me, personally. For me, censorship affects my quality of life a great deal.
Of course, that's understandable.

[killerswells]

This is so blatantly ignorant I'm just going to reiterate this statement so somebody else can attempt to explain how much is wrong with this statement.

please, tell me im ignorant. ya know, bc you have lived in canada and know all about what the people there think.

[fightoffyrdmns]

please, tell me im ignorant. ya know, bc you have lived in canada and know all about what the people there think.

Well I'm guessing that they complain it's too high but they ultimately pay it anyway. Guess what, the tax rates in other countries is lower and I bet they complain just as much- nobody is ever happy with paying taxes.

The ignorant part of the statement was concerning elderly people getting cancer screenings. I'm glad you can put a price on life. In other countries they have a sense of family and/or community to take care of elderly people as they age, it's only natural that they're going to need more healthcare as they grow older. The fact that you think a woman shouldn't receive breast cancer screenings because she can't pay for it absolutely heartless. Americans only think about their bank accounts and their own well-being, only donate when they need the tax reduction, put our elderly in retirement homes. I can't call for a complete cultural overhaul but I can call for a relatively minor tax increase for healthcare because if it wasn't mandated you wouldn't do it. As a nation we prosper, we constantly crave more of it for ourselves- why not help more people out so more can prosper?

For the record, I hope your mother/grandmother/girlfriend/etc. don't ever face a situation where they have no source of income for a necessary medical exam and end up sick or dead as a result.

[killerswells]

Well I'm guessing that they complain it's too high but they ultimately pay it anyway. Guess what, the tax rates in other countries is lower and I bet they complain just as much- nobody is ever happy with paying taxes.

The ignorant part of the statement was concerning elderly people getting cancer screenings. I'm glad you can put a price on life. In other countries they have a sense of family and/or community to take care of elderly people as they age, it's only natural that they're going to need more healthcare as they grow older. The fact that you think a woman shouldn't receive breast cancer screenings because she can't pay for it absolutely heartless. Americans only think about their bank accounts and their own well-being, only donate when they need the tax reduction, put our elderly in retirement homes. I can't call for a complete cultural overhaul but I can call for a relatively minor tax increase for healthcare because if it wasn't mandated you wouldn't do it. As a nation we prosper, we constantly crave more of it for ourselves- why not help more people out so more can prosper?

For the record, I hope your mother/grandmother/girlfriend/etc. don't ever face a situation where they have no source of income for a necessary medical exam and end up sick or dead as a result.

a price on life? i did no such thing. i merely stated that people are upset that they are paying for others health problems. which is a fact. may be shitty, but it is true.

[jviraldo]

hahahaha. wow. back to the subject. If i were you i would move to California. :wave:

[.invisible ink.]

hahahaha. wow. back to the subject. If i were you i would move to California. :wave:

yeah, because there are so many jobs there and their economy is doing fantastic right now! /sarcasm

uh, is the OP planning on working or just sight-seeing the entire time he plans on "moving to" the US?

[kwsqd]

That can be debated, based on what aspect of life you're talking about.

That has nothing to do with the quality of life of Australia. That's a matter of censorship, not a matter that affects a person's ability to live comfortably in one place.
All aspects.

From my own personal standpoint, censorship up, quality of life down.
This.

This is so blatantly ignorant I'm just going to reiterate this statement so somebody else can attempt to explain how much is wrong with this statement.
This again.

Many nations around have censorship laws and in many ways, still have a better quality of life then we do. Germany for example, has a great quality of life for its people and also has some of the strictest censorship laws on the planet.
If you don't consider liberty important... sure.

Well I'm guessing that they complain it's too high but they ultimately pay it anyway. Guess what, the tax rates in other countries is lower and I bet they complain just as much- nobody is ever happy with paying taxes.

The ignorant part of the statement was concerning elderly people getting cancer screenings. I'm glad you can put a price on life. In other countries they have a sense of family and/or community to take care of elderly people as they age, it's only natural that they're going to need more healthcare as they grow older. The fact that you think a woman shouldn't receive breast cancer screenings because she can't pay for it absolutely heartless. Americans only think about their bank accounts and their own well-being, only donate when they need the tax reduction, put our elderly in retirement homes. I can't call for a complete cultural overhaul but I can call for a relatively minor tax increase for healthcare because if it wasn't mandated you wouldn't do it. As a nation we prosper, we constantly crave more of it for ourselves- why not help more people out so more can prosper?

For the record, I hope your mother/grandmother/girlfriend/etc. don't ever face a situation where they have no source of income for a necessary medical exam and end up sick or dead as a result.
This.

a price on life? i did no such thing. i merely stated that people are upset that they are paying for others health problems. which is a fact. may be shitty, but it is true.
Some people are upset.

[killerswells]

i did not state a number, i simply said people are upset. that could be 10 people, or 10 million.

[kwsqd]

i did not state a number, i simply said people are upset. that could be 10 people, or 10 million.
I know.

[killerswells]

anyway, back to the thread. to the OP, if what i hear is true, the girl to guy ratio is very high in sweden. and maybe im a product of stereotypical north america, but a high ratio of gorgeous blond haired ladies sounds pretty nice.

[fightoffyrdmns]

a price on life? i did no such thing. i merely stated that people are upset that they are paying for others health problems. which is a fact. may be shitty, but it is true.

Again, that goes back to the lack of sense of community we have- instead, we focus strictly on ourselves, the individual.

[secretsociety92]

I will be moving to America after I have done all my education (because I get paid to stay in higher education) and hope to find a job I will enjoy.

[killerswells]

Again, that goes back to the lack of sense of community we have- instead, we focus strictly on ourselves, the individual.

time for a revolution bro. shake things up.

[jviraldo]

yeah, because there are so many jobs there and their economy is doing fantastic right now! /sarcasm

uh, is the OP planning on working or just sight-seeing the entire time he plans on "moving to" the US?


purely based on the music scene, i say California. But thats just me. He didnt say he wanted to know where the economy is the best. he wanted to know about music.

[jviraldo]

Dont move to michigan! The Economy is HORRIBLE! and the music scene sucks too.

[.invisible ink.]

purely based on the music scene, i say California. But thats just me. He didnt say he wanted to know where the economy is the best. he wanted to know about music.

yeah, you can see a lot of great bands and learn a lot about the music industry in LA. If the OP is trying to be an unpaid intern sharing a 500 sq ft studio apartment with 3 others for $500/month (each), then I say go for it, otherwise, don't bother moving to LA. It's expensive and the economy is shot (meaning there's no jobs). I love LA, but I wouldn't want to get the OP's hopes up for no reason.

[anthonydarko]

All aspects.
If you don't consider liberty important... sure.

:rotfl:
Again freedom is one thing, quality of life is another. I'm not complaining about liberty, it's a nice thing to have but overall, it doesn't mean that if I have liberty, I'm going to live longer. Here I'll give a scenerio, if I got injured in either America or Japan, who's healthcare system would treat me better, considering medical technology and the quality of doctors and disregarding forms of payment and costs of treatment. Answer that one.

[kwsqd]

:rotfl:
Again freedom is one thing, quality of life is another. I'm not complaining about liberty, it's a nice thing to have but overall, it doesn't mean that if I have liberty, I'm going to live longer. Here I'll give a scenerio, if I got injured in either America or Japan, who's healthcare system would treat me better, considering medical technology and the quality of doctors and disregarding forms of payment and costs of treatment. Answer that one.

Maybe I'm just more philosophical in this context, but I don't think you can talk about quality of life without talking about liberty. If you want to separate the two, okay, but if it weren't for people thinking like I do--we wouldn't be having this conversation.

Liberty doesn't imply that you will live longer. I'm saying I'd rather have true liberty and equality and live a shorter life than live a longer life in which I felt restricted.

[.invisible ink.]

Maybe I'm just more philosophical in this context, but I don't think you can talk about quality of life without talking about liberty. If you want to separate the two, okay, but if it weren't for people thinking like I do--we wouldn't be having this conversation.

Liberty doesn't imply that you will live longer. I'm saying I'd rather have true liberty and equality and live a shorter life than live a longer life in which I felt restricted.

this. which is why i'm disappointed in America right now.

[4N6 science]

Congrats on the PL for having an intelligent conversation.

[anthonydarko]

Maybe I'm just more philosophical in this context, but I don't think you can talk about quality of life without talking about liberty. If you want to separate the two, okay, but if it weren't for people thinking like I do--we wouldn't be having this conversation.

Liberty doesn't imply that you will live longer. I'm saying I'd rather have true liberty and equality and live a shorter life than live a longer life in which I felt restricted.
I understand what your saying fully. That is what you feel and for that, I really cannot argue against it, that is your belief and no constant arguing of mine is going to change that.

[thespearkid]

we can has revolution?

[.invisible ink.]

Congrats on the PL for having an intelligent government.

don't you mean conversation? i didn't realize PL had a government, let alone an intelligent one.

[killerswells]

hahaha we are our own governing body.

[4N6 science]

don't you mean conversation? i didn't realize PL had a government, let alone an intelligent one.

woops!

my mind is all over the place.


and yes the PL has it's own government. it's still hush hush.

[Hamlet]

Just remember to tip.

[jviraldo]

yeah, you can see a lot of great bands and learn a lot about the music industry in LA. If the OP is trying to be an unpaid intern sharing a 500 sq ft studio apartment with 3 others for $500/month (each), then I say go for it, otherwise, don't bother moving to LA. It's expensive and the economy is shot (meaning there's no jobs). I love LA, but I wouldn't want to get the OP's hopes up for no reason.


Yeah, some of my family live in San Diego. And i have spent some time down there. The housing rates are ridicules. But if someone wants to start a band, and see alot of good shows, that's the place to be. based purely on what ive seen and herd. I think living in a crappy apartment and working at in-and-out burger would be worth it though. haha. but thats just me. I have been deprived of good shows up here in michigan.haha

[jviraldo]

anyway, back to the thread. to the OP, if what i hear is true, the girl to guy ratio is very high in sweden. and maybe im a product of stereotypical north america, but a high ratio of gorgeous blond haired ladies sounds pretty nice.


haha. yeah. im like 25% swedish. I curse my ancestors every day for leaving there (if the rumors are true of course.)

[phil19]

First off, I couldn't last a month? Says you. Second, size has nothing to do with the quality of a country. Japan is a freaking island in the Pacific and guess what, they're a better country with better healthcare, better available technology for its citizens, a better education system, etc. I can go on and on about this and the same with other countries too. Also age of a nation has nothing to do with anything as well, for example, Australia has been a independent nation for less that 108 years and they're doing better than us. Hell, I'd rather live in France, their culture and way of life is much better than ours and they don't dump their resources fighting a war that will never be won, a la The War On Terror. So thanks for the wonderful idea, viva la France!

australia is ok unless you're a victim of a vicious assault in which case you'll get no justice. on the other hand, if you enjoy beating people up for no reason what-so-ever or assaulting police officers, then yeah, australia's the place to be

[xxjazzythiefxx]

i have lived in a different country for long periods at a time... i'm gonna agree and say the u.s. blows... but c'mon all the bands are here i know people that would kill overseas to see bands as regularly as we do... we have WARPED TOUR 'nuff said

[Andy Antar]

First off, I couldn't last a month? Says you. Second, size has nothing to do with the quality of a country. Japan is a freaking island in the Pacific and guess what, they're a better country with better healthcare, better available technology for its citizens, a better education system, etc. I can go on and on about this and the same with other countries too. Also age of a nation has nothing to do with anything as well, for example, Australia has been a independent nation for less that 108 years and they're doing better than us. Hell, I'd rather live in France, their culture and way of life is much better than ours and they don't dump their resources fighting a war that will never be won, a la The War On Terror. So thanks for the wonderful idea, viva la France!

At least your government isn't trying to impose severely restrictive internet filters over your nation's network. Our government can be a bit facist at times. Sometimes, I feel as though freedom of speech is put on the backburner. I'm not saying Australia's a bad country. I just wish our freedoms were paramount.

[-whisp-]

i have lived in a different country for long periods at a time... i'm gonna agree and say the u.s. blows... but c'mon all the bands are here i know people that would kill overseas to see bands as regularly as we do... we have WARPED TOUR 'nuff said


That hasn't been so great for the last 6 years.

[kwsqd]

we can has revolution?
nope. no more revolutions. thanks capitalism.

woops!

my mind is all over the place.


and yes the PL has it's own government. it's still hush hush.
I'm the president :shhh:

[4N6 science]

nope. no more revolutions. thanks capitalism.


I'm the president :shhh:

Can I be secretary of state?

[kwsqd]

Can I be secretary of state?
No. yes

[xjamesax]

I've lived in Newcastle, Australia, Santiago, Chile, San Jose, Costa Rica and California and Colorado in the US of A. I've also studied in Hangzhou, China and traveled extensively in Western Europe (including Scandinavia), Asia, and South America. In total, I've experienced 18 different countries. I personally feel like we have privileges and freedoms that are not shared in most parts of the world. The American lifestyle is so convenient. What you or your culture values determines which country you call the "best". I don't know if I would say that America is the best in the world. But from everything that I've seen/experienced and all the places that I've lived, I would hands down choose living in Colorado.

[4N6 science]

No. yes

haha I see what you did there. Very clever.