Power shift in 2006?

[Americant1984]

I've noticed recently that the conservative surge has started to die out recently and i was wondering what other people thought.

the support for george bush, and the war are at an all time low. Even conservatives are becoming fed up with bush and his incompetance....you know, his nomination of miers, his lack of leadership in the anti gay, and abortion areas.

and in the the elections last month showed a lot too. kaine won despite bushes campaign for kilgore, and corzine won in new jersey even after the mcgreevey scandal. Not to mention all of arnolds props were shot down.

it just seems to me that things are starting to shift towards a democratic white house in 2008.

even our allies are starting to cut and run in iraq.

Im actually starting to feel good about the next administration.

[Cal Smith]

I dont think it's started to die down, and I think last Novembers elections proved that. The administration has had a rough run since January, but if you want to look at the conservative movement you can't just incapsulate 11 months and determine that it's losing steam based on those months.

Also the fact that Democratic numbers are at an all time low weighs against your argument too. Simply because Bush's numbers are down doesnt mean there's a shift in conservative values to more liberal values. Could just mean Republicans and conservatives in general are looking for MORE conservative leadership and policies and they don't see those coming from Bush.

I kind of think the opposite. I think the liberals and the Democratic party are kind of shooting themselves in the foot by trying to be the opposite and fight everything Bush does or say. I think the American people are looking for more conservativism than Bush has been providing with his policies and spending. That's why the only way the Democrats have a shot at the Whitehouse in '08 is running a moderate candidate.

[justinevans]

It really depends on who they are polling.

[GAD_guy]

i doubt americans will ever learn....

[Jubano]

i dont think that recent goings on in DC will be enough for a true political realignment.

the republicans only look like theyre slowing down because the democrats are speeding up so much. the democrats have fallen so far behind in the country that they need to start digging up real shit on bush and, more importantly, the republican party. if they dont get the executive seat in 2008, then theres a very good chance that they will die out. something else will have to be created to, if not replace it, then at least let the liberals get their foot back in the door. the democratic party is simply not providing like it did throughout the 90s.

[Broken Parachute]

My family voted for Bush, and they've been having their second thoughts. Alot of people I know dislike Cheaney more than Bush.

[FScott]

the democrats have fallen so far behind in the country that they need to start digging up real shit on bush.

It seems to me like Bush has been holding the shovel all along.

[selftitled85]

My family voted for Bush, and they've been having their second thoughts. Alot of people I know dislike Cheaney more than Bush.


cheney already said hes not running in the next election...

honestly the democrats havent done anything to show they will take over power. the reps are vulnerable and the dems are standing idle which pisses me off. this past election didnt prove anything...nj and va both stayed dem and nj while arny has been losing support for a while...its nothing special.

[justinevans]

cheney already said hes not running in the next election...

honestly the democrats havent done anything to show they will take over power. the reps are vulnerable and the dems are standing idle which pisses me off. this past election didnt prove anything...nj and va both stayed dem and nj while arny has been losing support for a while...its nothing special.

haha nj, corzine bought the election. nj will always be democrat - camden, newark, atlantic city, etc...

[selftitled85]

haha nj, corzine bought the election. nj will always be democrat - camden, newark, atlantic city, etc...


corzine did not buy the election...the reps lost it fair and square. all of the reps adds only talked smack about corzine...they never said a single thing they wanted to accomplish in office while the dems layed everything out. the reps thought slander is more important then actual issues.

[Cal Smith]

corzine did not buy the election...the reps lost it fair and square. all of the reps adds only talked smack about corzine...they never said a single thing they wanted to accomplish in office while the dems layed everything out. the reps thought slander is more important then actual issues.

I don't live in NJ and don't know what the issues were or who was on topic and who was mudslingging, and for the sake of the argument lets assume you're right. It's hard to deny that the fact Corzine spent an ABURD amount of money compared to his Rep. opponent (or even his primary opponent), and that this no doubt played a significant difference in the outcome.

[selftitled85]

I don't live in NJ and don't know what the issues were or who was on topic and who was mudslingging, and for the sake of the argument lets assume you're right. It's hard to deny that the fact Corzine spent an ABURD amount of money compared to his Rep. opponent (or even his primary opponent), and that this no doubt played a significant difference in the outcome.

one rep add basically stated corzine is not a good governor why? because his ex wife said so...and then gives a quote by the ex. thats the whole ad. if you want to win a campaign you cant do shit like that.

and besides corzine may of spent a lot of money but did you see how much the ny mayor paid for reelection? thats much more absurd...

[Cal Smith]

one rep add basically stated corzine is not a good governor why? because his ex wife said so...and then gives a quote by the ex. thats the whole ad. if you want to win a campaign you cant do shit like that.

and besides corzine may of spent a lot of money but did you see how much the ny mayor paid for reelection? thats much more absurd...

I don't blame him for doing it. If I had the money and wanted to win I'd spend what it took.

[justinevans]

corzine did not buy the election...the reps lost it fair and square. all of the reps adds only talked smack about corzine...they never said a single thing they wanted to accomplish in office while the dems layed everything out. the reps thought slander is more important then actual issues.

John Corzine is the worst governmental candidate next to Arnold. Corzine sucked as a senator and will be more terrible as a governor.

[justinevans]

corzine did not buy the election...the reps lost it fair and square. all of the reps adds only talked smack about corzine...they never said a single thing they wanted to accomplish in office while the dems layed everything out. the reps thought slander is more important then actual issues.

43$ million dollars. New Jersey has more Democrats then republicans.

[YouMadeTheScene]

Until there is a democratic presidential canidate that can stir the people and be charismatic and just do all the right things there won't be a swing at all. Republican's will rule until 2012

[justinevans]

Until there is a democratic presidential canidate that can stir the people and be charismatic and just do all the right things there won't be a swing at all. Republican's will rule until 2012

you kidding me? hillary will win in 08'.

[youcomebeforeyo]

Oh no, you did not just say that.

/Waits for this to emerge into a why Hillary is the devil/antichrist thread.

[Cal Smith]

Oh no, you did not just say that.

/Waits for this to emerge into a why Hillary is the devil/antichrist thread.

No, she's not the devil/anti-christ (i thought the left already established who that was anyway) but she is a polarizing figure. I think she's given to much credit because for so many years she's been predicted to run, and thought of as the automatic in the primaries. Have you actually seen her run a tough campaign yet? See how she does then.

[selftitled85]

No, she's not the devil/anti-christ (i thought the left already established who that was anyway) but she is a polarizing figure. I think she's given to much credit because for so many years she's been predicted to run, and thought of as the automatic in the primaries. Have you actually seen her run a tough campaign yet? See how she does then.

i will tell you...if the reps put someone like mccain up against hilary...i will vote for mccain. i do not want to see hilary be pres. there are much better dems out there. people like dean, and edwards, and obama. now those are the people that should run. not hilary...

[Cal Smith]

i will tell you...if the reps put someone like mccain up against hilary...i will vote for mccain. i do not want to see hilary be pres. there are much better dems out there. people like dean, and edwards, and obama. now those are the people that should run. not hilary...

----I think edwards went out the door with kerry, he didn nohting to improve Kerry's chances so what chance does he have on his own?
-----obama's still having to get coffee for the elders cause he has no experience and no record, he also saw what happened to Edwards.
----dean's moved to far left and half the time other Dem.'s have to distance themselves from what he says.

If someone put a gun to my head and told me to pick Dem candidates i'd go with Easley, Harold Ford, or Vilsack

[aminorthreat55]

i will tell you...if the reps put someone like mccain up against hilary...i will vote for mccain. i do not want to see hilary be pres. there are much better dems out there. people like dean, and edwards, and obama. now those are the people that should run. not hilary...
Ditto. I wouldn't mind Biden, McCain or Obama being president.

[I am all talk]

I hope the republican party has enough sense to nominate a moderate canidate like a McCain to reunite the country.
The Dems have no chance at winning the White House in 08 but I see a good chance of regaining seats in both houses.

[FScott]

I hope the republican party has enough sense to nominate a moderate canidate like a McCain to reunite the country.

Indeed!

[USAFDave]

McCain would rock.

[selftitled85]

I hope the republican party has enough sense to nominate a moderate canidate like a McCain to reunite the country.
The Dems have no chance at winning the White House in 08 but I see a good chance of regaining seats in both houses.


completely agree with you. i could see the dems gaining all over the place in both houses. they may not win the white house in 08, but the reps will sure as hell not have as huge a lead in both houses...especially if they keep leading campaigns the way they led them this yr...

[Justin_stacy]

-----obama's still having to get coffee for the elders cause he has no experience and no record, he also saw what happened to Edwards.


I'm still at a loss on this whole obama thing? What has he done that has garnished him so much support for president? One "major" speech doesn't really seem like good enough presidential credentials to me.........you? Kind of stinks of desperation doesn't it?

[richter915]

it may be down right now but I doubt it'll last. They'll do like they did last election...their numbers were down and then once campaigning began and fox news said the terrorists will hit us any second (especially if we vote Blue)...the support went up. I call it a campaign of fear but the winners will just call it good strategy.

[richter915]

I'm still at a loss on this whole obama thing? What has he done that has garnished him so much support for president? One "major" speech doesn't really seem like good enough presidential credentials to me.........you? Kind of stinks of desperation doesn't it?
rather him over hillary

actually...i'd rather vote for rudy guliani (regardless of what ticket he runs under)...the man did some good for NYC and he can probably do some good for the country.

[Justin_stacy]

rather him over hillary

actually...i'd rather vote for rudy guliani (regardless of what ticket he runs under)...the man did some good for NYC and he can probably do some good for the country.

Anyone’s better then Hilary, hell a dead dog would be more appealing..........but that still doesn't explain the fascination with obama. The only thing I can come up with is it’s all based on race and age, and that's hardly something to base a nomination off of......

[HiMyNameIsYours]

haha nj, corzine bought the election. nj will always be democrat - camden, newark, atlantic city, etc...

Well, north NJ are more republican. All those towns are from southern or middle.

[Punx_101]

OK ppl,
i jus wanna point out, that although Bush is a twat, kerry was also a twat.
If kerry got control i gaurentee that there would be bigger problems, than we currently face, im not sayin bush is good, but im sayin Kerry was worse, its time for a new candidate to step up.