Fake Teabaggers and their AstroTurf Protests

[IAmNietzche]

Encountered one on my walk home from work.

Just a bunch of butt-hurt conservatives puppets of Rick Santelli and FreedomWorks spouting anti-government rhetoric. They're worried about Obama stealing from their children's "piggybank" but had no problem voting Bush into a second term after he launched a war that will put an incredible economic burden on those same children.

And yes, the impeach Obama signs were out in full force.

[loveisdead]

They're accomplishing nothing but giving material to Stewart and Colbert.

[Adeniz19]

And they said democrats were sore losers after the '00 elections.

[loveisdead]

Seriously. Dems had far more of a reason to be sore too.

[Machu505]

They were protesting outside of the Capitol here today. Talkin about how Obama is a fascist and all. They actually invited our congressmen and woman to join them, but Rahall and Capito (a Republican, mind you) declined in writing.

[xshady121]

Upset I couldn't go to this today.

[loveisdead]

They were protesting outside of the Capitol here today. Talkin about how Obama is a fascist and all. They actually invited our congressmen and woman to join them, but Rahall and Capito (a Republican, mind you) declined in writing.
They need to make up their fucking minds.

[starshine1763]

They were protesting outside of the Capitol here today. Talkin about how Obama is a fascist and all. They actually invited our congressmen and woman to join them, but Rahall and Capito (a Republican, mind you) declined in writing.

It always amazes me that Obama can be a socialist, communist, fascist and tyrannical dictator all at the same time. That is impressive!

[Machu505]

It always amazes me that Obama can be a socialist, communist, fascist and tyrannical dictator all at the same time. That is impressive!

And he panders to those European pussies too.

[IAmNietzche]

Upset I couldn't go to this today.
I understand if you aren't for the stimulus bill but you can't believe that a fake-grassroots protest concocted by a conservative think tank is the best way to voice your opinion.

If you want to express your thoughts on the bill, try this. http://anewwayforward.org/demonstrations/

[starshine1763]

And he panders to those European pussies too.


Exactly, as Jon Stewart put it:
"So not only is Obama a total pussy who is going to let Europe run roughshod over us, he's also an iron-fisted tyrant who will crush anyone who doesn't bend to his will."

[loveisdead]

Exactly, as Jon Stewart put it:
"So not only is Obama a total pussy who is going to let Europe run roughshod over us, he's also an iron-fisted tyrant who will crush anyone who doesn't bend to his will."
Stewart has a habit of putting things hilariously perfect.

[imahoodlum]

I was at work and I overheard a customer talking to my boss about how she participated in this today. She said some of the signs were "hilarious" and she "had such a fun time." Then she continued to make typical conservative remarks. I just laughed from the other room.

[Love As Arson]

Most of them want to increase military spending, in order to protect America at all costs and yet do not see the need for government protection of the economic quality of life for Americans.

[starshine1763]

Stewart has a habit of putting things hilariously perfect.

He really does. His Baracknophobia segment was so fantastic. My favorite part was:

"I think you guys might be confusing tyranny with losing. And I feel for you, because I've been there. A few times, in fact, one of them was a bit of a nail biter. But see, when the guy you disagree with gets elected, he's probably gonna do things you disagree with. He could cut taxes on the wealthy, remove the government's oversight capability, invade a country that you thought should not be invaded...but that's not tyranny, that's democracy. See now you're in the minority. It's supposed to taste like a shit taco. And by the way, if I remember correctly, when disagreement was expressed over that president's actions when y'all were in power I believe the response was why do you hate America, watch what you say, love it or leave it, suck on my truck nuts."

[cheezwhiz]

I read a comment by some idiot kid on facebook that was trying to explain the situation in Congress. "I like to think of the situation more like communist Russia. Where the good guys are just hiding out, plotting how they will take down the evil government and bring back capitalism and freedom." I hate the conservative by-products that are the children of Miami Cubans.

[Praetor]

He really does. His Baracknophobia segment was so fantastic. My favorite part was:

"I think you guys might be confusing tyranny with losing. And I feel for you, because I've been there. A few times, in fact, one of them was a bit of a nail biter. But see, when the guy you disagree with gets elected, he's probably gonna do things you disagree with. He could cut taxes on the wealthy, remove the government's oversight capability, invade a country that you thought should not be invaded...but that's not tyranny, that's democracy. See now you're in the minority. It's supposed to taste like a shit taco. And by the way, if I remember correctly, when disagreement was expressed over that president's actions when y'all were in power I believe the response was why do you hate America, watch what you say, love it or leave it, suck on my truck nuts."
hahaha, shit taco.

I'm going to one of these tonight. Should be fun. Apparently the boxes are going to be empty cardboard boxes and there will be someone in a boat just downriver picking them up to be environmentally friendly. Nothing sticks it to the man quite like a bunch of angry rednecks throwing empty boxes into the harbor. Yeah, man. Fight the power.

[more heart]

This is fucking bullshit. I can't stand this....

[IAmNietzche]

He really does. His Baracknophobia segment was so fantastic. My favorite part was:

"I think you guys might be confusing tyranny with losing. And I feel for you, because I've been there. A few times, in fact, one of them was a bit of a nail biter. But see, when the guy you disagree with gets elected, he's probably gonna do things you disagree with. He could cut taxes on the wealthy, remove the government's oversight capability, invade a country that you thought should not be invaded...but that's not tyranny, that's democracy. See now you're in the minority. It's supposed to taste like a shit taco. And by the way, if I remember correctly, when disagreement was expressed over that president's actions when y'all were in power I believe the response was why do you hate America, watch what you say, love it or leave it, suck on my truck nuts."
You've been out of power for10 fucking months, you've got to pace your rage.

[xshady121]

This is fucking bullshit. I can't stand this....

I would normally yell and chastise you for your meaningless post, had you not had a Nick Swisher icon.

[more heart]

I would normally yell and chastise you for your meaningless post, had you not had a Nick Swisher icon.

Well thank you

[IAmNietzche]

I would normally yell and chastise you for your meaningless post, had you not had a Nick Swisher icon.
I'd still like to know why you think these protests are the best way to voice your opinion.

[starshine1763]

You've been out of power for10 fucking months, you've got to pace your rage.

"So, government's taking over our schools, our corporations, our healthcare, our personal liberties, scary! And while President Bush was the one who started the bailouts, nationalized an insurance company, added a $17 trillion dollar prescription drug entitlement program, had a government-mandated public school initiative literally titled "No Child Left Behind", wiretapped citizens without warrants, created secret internment camps in international waters beyond the reach of our justice system and allowed his vice president to live in a netherworld between the executive and legislative branch where his house did not exist on Google Earth...only NOW, with the advent of "Potato Day", has tyranny comes to our shores."

[zion the lion]

Those people are more naive than I am, and its pathetic. Theyre listening to the greedy people who got us into this situation. I know people who support this teabagging crap and they're convinced that we're turning into a marxist socialist dictatorship kind of country and they dont even know what those words mean.

[J.C.]

I have no qualms with Conservatives embarrassing themselves.

[Machu505]

Any excuse for the new anchors to say "teabagging" on air.

[IAmNietzche]

It's just a bunch of uninformed anti-tax conservatives conflating the irresponsible bank bailout with the stimulus plan.

[zion the lion]

Is this really about taxing?

[Machu505]

Is this really about taxing?

And government spending.

[saysmydoctor]

He Godwin'd the tea party.


Nice.

[saysmydoctor]

When supply-side economics didn't do the trick, the Republicans have an idea. More supply-side!

[J.C.]

http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_1N3cxhPVIxc/SeZrry0nCeI/AAAAAAAABLE/daqxkMcu2r4/s400/3445759542_7190a7e8cc_o.jpg

Obama = Hitler, Government Spending = the Holocaust

[zion the lion]

People like that are the ones who push me to smoke. There were some boarderline racist signs too.

[IAmNietzche]

"These are not tea-parties. They are tea-tantrums. And the adolescent, unserious hysteria is a function not of a movement regrouping and refinding itself. It's a function of a movement's intellectual collapse and a party's fast-accelerating nervous breakdown."

[Rawrr]

"The system is severely broken, and we the people let it get that way," said Des Moines businessman Doug Burnett. "What can we do? My answer is revolution."


Haha.

[ihatecayte]

He really does. His Baracknophobia segment was so fantastic. My favorite part was:

"I think you guys might be confusing tyranny with losing. And I feel for you, because I've been there. A few times, in fact, one of them was a bit of a nail biter. But see, when the guy you disagree with gets elected, he's probably gonna do things you disagree with. He could cut taxes on the wealthy, remove the government's oversight capability, invade a country that you thought should not be invaded...but that's not tyranny, that's democracy. See now you're in the minority. It's supposed to taste like a shit taco. And by the way, if I remember correctly, when disagreement was expressed over that president's actions when y'all were in power I believe the response was why do you hate America, watch what you say, love it or leave it, suck on my truck nuts."

a) he's 100% correct. amazingly so.
b) i've been saying the bolded now. love it.

[zion the lion]

Apparenlty there was one up here.

[J.C.]

Fox presenting the 'news' to their audience.

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Unbelievable how you can make up facts, present them as truth, and air them with zero reprocussions.

[GuitarR0cker1]

Teabagging gives plenty of that's what she said opportunities.
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[AP_Punk]

:gunhead:

[samsara]

They had one here and my sociology teacher made fun of them for a good 5 minutes.

[Adeniz19]

even with a huge media corporation backing these protests, these right wing nuts still only got a total of 260K people in 360 locations.... fail.

[xshady121]

even with a huge media corporation backing these protests, these right wing nuts still only got a total of 260K people in 360 locations.... fail.

Yes, that generally happens when people have real jobs to do.

If they don't go to work, they have even less money.

[Adeniz19]

Or, that generally happens when a majority of people don't give a shit about the reason of protest.

[Mercy Medical]

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Ahhhh, the truth!

[Adeniz19]

hahahaahahaha

[xshady121]

Or, that generally happens when a majority of people don't give a shit about the reason of protest.

Nope.

[loveisdead]

Nope.
Was the Iraq war protest on a weekday? Cause that got a shitload of people but I don't know if it was on a weekday or not.

[mmmmmpoetry]

ron paul 08........

[loveisdead]

checks date...

[splitsecond]

It amuses me how many of you fucktard liberals will defend liberal protesters until you are blue (or is it pink?) in the face, then turn around and start threads like this. Grow a brain, hypocrites.

[IAmNietzche]

checks date...
March 19th, 2008 was a Wednesday.

[splitsecond]

http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_1N3cxhPVIxc/SeZrry0nCeI/AAAAAAAABLE/daqxkMcu2r4/s400/3445759542_7190a7e8cc_o.jpg

Obama = Hitler, Government Spending = the Holocaust

Liberals made the comparison to Bush. Are our memories THAT short? Come on now.

[IAmNietzche]

It amuses me how many of you fucktard liberals will defend liberal protesters until you are blue (or is it pink?) in the face, then turn around and start threads like this. Grow a brain, hypocrites.
This protest was amorphous and the people protesting had no idea why they were there. It was organized by a glorified conservative thinktank and disguised as grassroots. The entire thing was farce.

[splitsecond]

And they said democrats were sore losers after the '00 elections.

At least conservatives are not claiming Obama stole the election. Of course the minute they say something like that, they will be called racist.

[splitsecond]

This protest was amorphous and the people protesting had no idea why they were there. It was organized by a glorified conservative thinktank and disguised as grassroots. The entire thing was farce.

Your brainless comments are much better suited for talking about shitty bands no one cares about. Keep towing that line, I promise I won't say I told you so when we are all paying a 50% income tax in 20 years to pay this shit off.

[IAmNietzche]

Your brainless comments are much better suited for talking about shitty bands no one cares about. Keep towing that line, I promise I won't say I told you so when we are all paying a 50% income tax in 20 years to pay this shit off.
Anything you say in defense of these retards just makes you look like an idiot. Let's not resort to attacks on music taste which have no bearing on anything talked about in this forum. We're all 20+ years old, let's act like it.

[saysmydoctor]

Whoa. You came busting down the door with legitimate arguments rather than 'what if' scenarios.

[saysmydoctor]

Yes, that generally happens when people have real jobs to do.

If they don't go to work, they have even less money.
Really? Are you blaming this on the day of the week it was? Man, that's rough.
ron paul 08........
He is so good, he can fucking turn back time!

[IAmNietzche]

Really? Are you blaming this on the day of the week it was? Man, that's rough.

He is so good, he can fucking turn back time!
Don't forget that it rained in alot of cities too, they just couldn't catch a break.

[saysmydoctor]

Mother Nature is a liberal feminist.

[mmmmmpoetry]

but he can't beat the media unfortunately O_o

[Adeniz19]

At least conservatives are not claiming Obama stole the election. Of course the minute they say something like that, they will be called racist.they are only claiming that he wasn't born american and the his birth certificate is a fake. i guess that is acceptable.

[saysmydoctor]

but he can't beat the media unfortunately O_o
What are you talking about? Get out.
they are only claiming that he wasn't born american and the his birth certificate is a fake. i guess that is acceptable.
And not racist.

[J.C.]

Liberals made the comparison to Bush. Are our memories THAT short? Come on now.

They did and it obviously wasn't right then either. Doesn't change the fact that many on the Right tried to paint all liberals with the same brush when people on the fringe would pull stupid shit like that. Turnabout's only fairplay.

The organizers and pseudo-sponsors like Fox spent so much time trying to convince everyone that these weren't going to be fringe events, that these were spontaneous rallies, that these parties weren't directed at a particular party or the current President, all of which weren't the case. On the contrary, they tried to convince everyone that these were people in the mainstream. If that's what they consider the mainstream of the conservative movement, Republicans are moving in the wrong direction. Protesting taxes when polls show that over 60% of the country supports how Obama is handling the tax issue only furthers the notion that they're all out of touch and bitter about having lost the last election.

[splitsecond]

Anything you say in defense of these retards just makes you look like an idiot. Let's not resort to attacks on music taste which have no bearing on anything talked about in this forum. We're all 20+ years old, let's act like it.

Carefully cloaking your personal attacks as "points" does not make them less of a personal attacks. I am just being much more obvious with my disdain for your stupidity.


Let me make sure I get your point:

Conservative groups organize a protest: It is a "farce" put on by a think tank.

Liberal groups organize a protest: it is a grassroots movement.

I personally hate protests. They get nothing done. Hence why I did not participate in this shit yesterday. Yet here we are surrounded by hypocrisy coming from the majority of the media and the left in poking fun at protesters, who quite frankly have a much less ridiculous message than your normal protesters, and most of these protesters at least chose to bathe the day of the show. It is funny how many of you love to point out the bias of Fox News (and I agree with you that it is biased), yet completely ignore the bias in the other direction. If yesterday's events did not show who's side MOST of the media is on, I don't know what it will take for you to see it. Maybe you don't care, and believe that a left-wing bias is better for the country. That sort of thinking should scare people.

[J.C.]

At least conservatives are not claiming Obama stole the election. Of course the minute they say something like that, they will be called racist.

Do you remember ACORN and all the voter fraud accusations Fox was trying to push before the election? They were sowing the seeds of doubt if the election ended up being close. Then Obama won by about 10 million popular votes and 200 electoral votes.

[mmmmmpoetry]

9406140
that's what i'm talking about sir.

[wrppdarndyrfngr]

Your brainless comments are much better suited for talking about shitty bands no one cares about. Keep towing that line, I promise I won't say I told you so when we are all paying a 50% income tax in 20 years to pay this shit off.

your right . I forgot that liberals ran up the debt to the tune of $10.8 trillion . oh wait.....

[splitsecond]

They did and it obviously wasn't right then either. Doesn't change the fact that many on the Right tried to paint all liberals with the same brush when people on the fringe would pull stupid shit like that. Turnabout's only fairplay.

The organizers and pseudo-sponsors like Fox spent so much time trying to convince everyone that these weren't going to be fringe events, that these were spontaneous rallies, that these parties weren't directed at a particular party or the current President, all of which weren't the case. On the contrary, they tried to convince everyone that these were people in the mainstream. If that's what they consider the mainstream of the conservative movement, Republicans are moving in the wrong direction. Protesting taxes when polls show that over 60% of the country supports how Obama is handling the tax issue only furthers the notion that they're all out of touch and bitter about having lost the last election.

Of course when people are asked "how do you think Obama is handling taxes" people are going to say he is doing fine, because he has not raised them yet. But how the fuck do you think we are going to pay for this willy-nilly spending? Magic monopoly money? Some people have the foresight to see the consequences of this spending spree that started in the last part of the Bush administration, and contiues to mushroom under Obama.

[IAmNietzche]

Carefully cloaking your personal attacks as "points" does not make them less of a personal attacks. I am just being much more obvious with my disdain for your stupidity.


Let me make sure I get your point:

Conservative groups organize a protest: It is a "farce" put on by a think tank.

Liberal groups organize a protest: it is a grassroots movement.

I personally hate protests. They get nothing done. Hence why I did not participate in this shit yesterday. Yet here we are surrounded by hypocrisy coming from the majority of the media and the left in poking fun at protesters, who quite frankly have a much less ridiculous message than your normal protesters, and most of these protesters at least chose to bathe the day of the show. It is funny how many of you love to point out the bias of Fox News (and I agree with you that it is biased), yet completely ignore the bias in the other direction. If yesterday's events did not show who's side MOST of the media is on, I don't know what it will take for you to see it. Maybe you don't care, and believe that a left-wing bias is better for the country. That sort of thinking should scare people.
I haven't said one thing about conservative protests in general. It has just been proven that this was a fake-grassroots protest perpetuated by a glorified conservative think tank.

The media wasn't necessarily poking fun at the message (maybe the lack of a clear message) they were mainly pointing out the dishonesty of "selling" this protest as grassroots and the biased Fox news coverage.

You aren't stupid, just uninformed.

[splitsecond]

they are only claiming that he wasn't born american and the his birth certificate is a fake. i guess that is acceptable.

Right, bring up an issue started by one crazy lawyer that hasn't even been talked about for at LEAST 6 months. Still pales in comparison to liberal conspiracy theories/not my president/al gore was robbed

Do you remember ACORN and all the voter fraud accusations Fox was trying to push before the election? They were sowing the seeds of doubt if the election ended up being close. Then Obama won by about 10 million popular votes and 200 electoral votes.

The issue of course with that theory is the factual evidence of voter fraud committed by ACORN. While you can make your argument (and it isnt a bad one) you could then make the opposing argument that ACORN was committing voter fraud to help win in the case that the election was close.

your right . I forgot that liberals ran up the debt to the tune of $10.8 trillion . oh wait.....

I have been against this ridiculous spending spree since Bush started it. But continued spending and pork projects and social engineering programs are not going to pay down the debt.

[splitsecond]

I haven't said one thing about conservative protests in general. It has just been proven that this was a fake-grassroots protest perpetuated by a glorified conservative think tank.

The media wasn't necessarily poking fun at the message (maybe the lack of a clear message) they were mainly pointing out the dishonesty of "selling" this protest as grassroots and the biased Fox news coverage.

You aren't stupid, just uninformed.

Let me ask you this, would you consider moveon.org a "grassroots organization" or a "glorified liberal think tank"?

[mmmmmpoetry]

do you like sheriff joe too?

[wrppdarndyrfngr]

I have been against this ridiculous spending spree since Bush started it. But continued spending and pork projects and social engineering programs are not going to pay down the debt.

your right but

a) government spending = economic stimulus
b) cutting taxes is not going to pay down the debt either or stimulate the economy
c) "pork projects" counted for 1-2% of the stimlus bill
d) obama is cutting taxes on 95% of americans and rasing them on large business and the wealthiest 5%

[splitsecond]

do you like sheriff joe too?

No. But until someone else makes a true stand against illegal immigration in Maricopa County, he will keep getting elected.

your right but

a) government spending = economic stimulus
b) cutting taxes is not going to pay down the debt either or stimulate the economy
c) "pork projects" counted for 1-2% of the stimlus bill
d) obama is cutting taxes on 95% of americans

a) DOES government spending = economic stimulus though? The only thing that has historically proven to be a stimulus was the mass government spending on industrial goods during WWII. Bailing out failed companies and spending on government welfare and social engineering programs does not have that affect. Why not come up with a grant program for small business owners? Give me half a million dollars and I will create a company that will support my family for generations, as well as create at least a couple dozen jobs directly.

b) I agree, but we certainly aren't making this any easier.

c) depends on how you define pork.

d) yeah, that extra $12 a paycheck is really going to help out 95% of americans.

[J.C.]

Of course when people are asked "how do you think Obama is handling taxes" people are going to say he is doing fine, because he has not raised them yet. But how the fuck do you think we are going to pay for this willy-nilly spending? Magic monopoly money? Some people have the foresight to see the consequences of this spending spree that started in the last part of the Bush administration, and contiues to mushroom under Obama.

It didn't start at the end of his administration, it started when he took office. He increased federal spending by 6% his first year in office, then by 4.6%, 3.2%, 4.0%, 3.9%, and .6%(I can't find an estimate for the last year of his Presidency yet, but there was probably another considerable jump). Anybody concerned about fiscal irresponsibility and deficit spending had ample time to take exception to Bush and they didn't. Instead I'd venture to guess the majority of the people at those rallies yesterday voted for him a 2nd time. Why? Probably because Bush vowed to continue giving them tax cuts despite the fact he was running up the debt. It doesn't take a genius to know you can't keep spending more money when you're taking in less and less tax revenue. And that's partly why we're in the position we are now. But none of these people cared then because they did believe it was monopoly money when their guy was in charge. They weren't concerned with the long run, they were concerned with their wallets at that point in time. All that managed to change when they lost an election though. Funny.

[IAmNietzche]

Let me ask you this, would you consider moveon.org a "grassroots organization" or a "glorified liberal think tank"?
You could argue that moveon is a liberal think tank, sure. But FreedomWorks is basically the love-child of the merger of Citizens for a Sound Economy and Empower America. To disguise anything that they orchestrate and carry out as "grassroots" is a lie.

[splitsecond]

It didn't start at the end of his administration, it started when he took office. He increased federal spending by 6% his first year in office, then by 4.6%, 3.2%, 4.0%, 3.9%, and .6%(I can't find an estimate for the last year of his Presidency yet, but there was probably another considerable jump). Anybody concerned about fiscal irresponsibility and deficit spending had ample time to take exception to Bush and they didn't. Instead I'd venture to guess the majority of the people at those rallies yesterday voted for him a 2nd time. Why? Probably because Bush vowed to continue giving them tax cuts despite the fact he was running up the debt. It doesn't take a genius to know you can't keep spending more money when you're taking in less and less tax revenue. And that's partly why we're in the position we are now. But none of these people cared then because they did believe it was monopoly money when their guy was in charge. They weren't concerned with the long run, they were concerned with their wallets at that point in time. All that seemed to change when they lost an election though.

Kerry would have spent even more money than Bush and probably more than team Obama/Pelosi. It is certainly sad that people only fight spending when their guy is not in power - but people on the receiving end now were certainly guilty of the same exact arguments when Bush was in office - yet the mainstream media did not make jokes at THEIR expense. That particular bias is why I came in this thread in the first place. Yes, fox news has a side they lean on, but so does everyone else. This whole event makes it blatantly obvious.

[Mitch]

I'm glad that you have decided to stop arguing like a jackass. Makes the thread a lot more interesting to read when the attacks aren't just, "you're an idiot," etc.

[x togepi x]

It amuses me how many of you fucktard liberals will defend liberal protesters until you are blue (or is it pink?) in the face, then turn around and start threads like this. Grow a brain, hypocrites.

oh come on. if this were a liberal protest, like the ones that happened about the war, conservatives would whine and make fun of them. That's a big part of protesting. Regardless of what issue you're going out there for, you're going to get made fun of.

The real hypocrite is you for thinking that conservative protesters, who decided to use a certain sexual innuendo as a label for their protests which begs the question of hilarity, should get some immunity for their protests.

Besides, the reasons they're protesting is bullshit. I'm sorry Obama doesn't hate the poor as much as Bush did.

[splitsecond]

You could argue that moveon is a liberal think tank, sure. But FreedomWorks is basically the love-child of the merger of Citizens for a Sound Economy and Empower America. To disguise anything that they orchestrate and carry out as "grassroots" is a lie.

If you want to give anything that moveon or the other similar massive liberal "thinktanks" the same sort of treatment and say they are not grassroots, then I will agree with you. But the media certainly is not doing that at the moment, and I find that completely hypocritical. My point is, the mainstream media is to the left (for the most part) what fox news is to the right. The coverages (or lack of coverages) of this stuff yesterday should have been telling of that fact.

[splitsecond]

oh come on. if this were a liberal protest, like the ones that happened about the war, conservatives would whine and make fun of them. That's a big part of protesting. Regardless of what issue you're going out there for, you're going to get made fun of.

The real hypocrite is you for thinking that conservative protesters, who decided to use a certain sexual innuendo as a label for their protests which begs the question of hilarity, should get some immunity for their protests.

Besides, the reasons they're protesting is bullshit. I'm sorry Obama doesn't hate the poor as much as Bush did.

I think you just made my case for the liberal media bias, thanks.

[Adeniz19]

Right, bring up an issue started by one crazy lawyer that hasn't even been talked about for at LEAST 6 months. Still pales in comparison to liberal conspiracy theories/not my president/al gore was robbed
you said people didnt try to say obama didn't steal the election. i showed you an example that proved you wrong. it doesnt matter who started it, there are still a lot of people who believe that crap

[IAmNietzche]

If you want to give anything that moveon or the other similar massive liberal "thinktanks" the same sort of treatment and say they are not grassroots, then I will agree with you. But the media certainly is not doing that at the moment, and I find that completely hypocritical. My point is, the mainstream media is to the left (for the most part) what fox news is to the right. The coverages (or lack of coverages) of this stuff yesterday should have been telling of that fact.
Sure there is a liberal bias in many media outlets, I hope no one would try to argue against that. But to use the coverage of this particular protest as evidence for that isn't a good argument. There was just too much that was fishy about this thing to give it legitimate coverage; from the blatant and deliberate astroturfing (a point I believe I've belabored), to the ill-chosen slogan.

[x togepi x]

I think you just made my case for the liberal media bias, thanks.

weird, this same "liberal media" was making fun of the anti-war protesters.

Go back, reread what I said, and actually respond to it in an intelligent way, since it wasn't really "liberal protests good, conservative ones bad."

[loveisdead]

How can you argue for a liberal media bias? MAYBE a very little in television, but the radio is completely dominated by conservatives.

[J.C.]

I didn't see any media outlet mocking the protests other than MSNBC. CNN's coverage was predominantly criticizing Fox for the way they pimped the event.

Am I missing something?

[wrppdarndyrfngr]

No. But until someone else makes a true stand against illegal immigration in Maricopa County, he will keep getting elected.



a) DOES government spending = economic stimulus though? The only thing that has historically proven to be a stimulus was the mass government spending on industrial goods during WWII.

and it worked . till Republicans convinced roosevelt to cut taxes and try and balance the budget which drove the country into deeper recession until WWII

so why not use it now?


Bailing out failed companies and spending on government welfare and social engineering programs does not have that affect.


What are these "social engineering programs" you are referrring to?

and you know your right we should let people who are umemployed fend for themselves.

Why not come up with a grant program for small business owners? Give me half a million dollars and I will create a company that will support my family for generations, as well as create at least a couple dozen jobs directly.

hmm that seems like government spending




b) I agree, but we certainly aren't making this any easier

So what do you want the government to do? nothing? just stand there and see what happens?

[IAmNietzche]

I didn't see any media outlet mocking the protests other than MSNBC. CNN's coverage was predominantly criticizing Fox for the way they pimped the event.

Am I missing something?
I'm gonna guess he was basing the coverage off the few youtube vids posted in this thread.

[x togepi x]

How can you argue for a liberal media bias? MAYBE a very little in television, but the radio is completely dominated by conservatives.

media bias is too based on perception anyway.

[wrppdarndyrfngr]

Kerry would have spent even more money than Bush and probably more than team Obama/Pelosi.

hahaha wow i'm done in here now.

[mmmmmpoetry]

Media in general is bias on both sides. It doesn't take a genius to figure that out.

[loveisdead]

hahaha wow i'm done in here now.
That was a very lame argument.

[IAmNietzche]

media bias is too based on perception anyway.
Too based on perception to what? Talk about?

Arguments over media bias are tantamount to arguments over the growing partisanship of the media and I think that's worth discussing.

[loveisdead]

Too based on perception to what? Talk about?

Arguments over media bias are tantamount to arguments over the growing partisanship of the media and I think that's worth discussing.
My problem with the media and journalism as a whole is that it's more pandering than it is honest journalism.

[IAmNietzche]

My problem with the media and journalism as a whole is that it's more pandering than it is honest journalism.
It's a business.

[jusscali]

This shit is a hoot

[TheByrus]

Here's a fun little fact:

if you spent a million dollars every day starting from the day Jesus was born until today, Obama still would have spent more money than you.

[loveisdead]

It's a business.
That doesn't make it right. Of course I know it's a business, however when you're masking the public from the truth you aren't journalists and you aren't helping the country.

[loveisdead]

Here's a fun little fact:

if you spent a million dollars every day starting from the day Jesus was born until today, Obama still would have spent more money than you.
this is like fox saying every person could buy 200 ice cream cones for a year. We all get it, it's a lot of money.

[jusscali]

That fuck needs to bail us out (college students)...I'll take that spending for sure.

[wrppdarndyrfngr]

Here's a fun little fact:

if you spent a million dollars every day starting from the day Jesus was born until today, Obama still would have spent more money than you.

and if you spent 14.5 million dollars everyday you would have ran up the same amount of debt G.W Bush did

[TheByrus]

I do, however, like Obama's high-speed rail plan. DFW to Austin in under an hour is downright awesome.

[Mercy Medical]

That fuck needs to bail us out (college students)...I'll take that spending for sure.
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[The Summer Ends]

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This video actually makes a lot of sense to me....

[TheByrus]

and if you spent 14.5 million dollars everyday you would have ran up the same amount of debt G.W Bush did


oh really?


you might want to check that math.

[loveisdead]

....?
You didn't hear? Giving lots of money to retarded/drunk/irresponsible college students to pay off their debts is gonna help things. EVERYONE is talking about it.

[x togepi x]

Too based on perception to what? Talk about?

Arguments over media bias are tantamount to arguments over the growing partisanship of the media and I think that's worth discussing.

well considering the fact that even liberals and conservatives can barely agree with what stances fit within their own ideologies, it's quite hard to point out said instances of bias on a liberal/conservative stand point.

You can go with democrat/republican, but even then I'd say the media is more bias towards moderates than anything else.

[jusscali]

You didn't hear? Giving lots of money to retarded/drunk/irresponsible college students to pay off their debts is gonna help things. EVERYONE is talking about it.

Better than corrupt corporate assholes that fucked up in the past...besides just because you're drunk and irresponsible doesn't mean we all are.

Naturally it would be on a standard of merit

[loveisdead]

George Bush increased our deficit a shit ton.
Obama is spending a ton of money.
Stop talking about how much it equals since the day Jesus was born.

[wrppdarndyrfngr]

oh really?


you might want to check that math.


10.8 trillion / (2009 * 365) = 14 728 243.5

[loveisdead]

well considering the fact that even liberals and conservatives can barely agree with what stances fit within their own ideologies, it's quite hard to point out said instances of bias on a liberal/conservative stand point.

You can go with democrat/republican, but even then I'd say the media is more bias towards moderates than anything else.
Again, I don't think there is really a bias. I think the bigger problem is journalists ignoring their job and just earning a paycheck.

Better than corrupt corporate assholes that fucked up in the past...besides just because you're drunk and irresponsible doesn't mean we all are.

Naturally it would be on a standard of merit
That would never work. Ever.

[TheByrus]

judging by the math i saw above,

if anyone needs more money, it's the american education system.

[Mercy Medical]

Better than corrupt corporate assholes that fucked up in the past...besides just because you're drunk and irresponsible doesn't mean we all are.

Naturally it would be on a standard of merit
If you have troubles paying for college....maybe you should have picked a cheaper one.

That's not to say that college costs aren't getting a bit out of control, but still, you have some level of control in those matters. You could have done better in high school and gotten academic scholarships or applied for more scholarships when you were in high school.

Or better yet, you could have gotten a job in high school and saved up money so it wouldn't have been such a big hit when it finally came around.

[jusscali]

judging by the math i saw above,

if anyone needs more money, it's the american education system.

Holy WORD

[jusscali]

Again, I don't think there is really a bias. I think the bigger problem is journalists ignoring their job and just earning a paycheck.


That would never work. Ever.

Well then its a great idea - considering how everything else that has been/is being done won't work either.

Added to the Agenda

[loveisdead]

judging by the math i saw above,

if anyone needs more money, it's the american education system.
10.8 trillion / (2009 * 365) = 14 728 243.5
He's right. You fucked that up by about double.

[loveisdead]

If you have troubles paying for college....maybe you should have picked a cheaper one.

That's not to say that college costs aren't getting a bit out of control, but still, you have some level of control in those matters. You could have done better in high school and gotten academic scholarships or applied for more scholarships when you were in high school.

Or better yet, you could have gotten a job in high school and saved up money so it wouldn't have been such a big hit when it finally came around.
Youre going down the wrong road. He's got scholarships out the ass.

[Adeniz19]

That fuck needs to bail us out (college students)...I'll take that spending for sure.
are you talking about obama? i know during his campaign he was talking about a college tax credit in exhange for community service, but I don't know if they have started to work on that.

[Mercy Medical]

Youre going down the wrong road. He's got scholarships out the ass.
Well then why is he complaining and acting as if this issue effects him directly...?

I'm really confused right now.

[TheByrus]

10.8 trillion / (2009 * 365) = 14 728 243.5


Yes, that would work if the national debt had been zero when George Bush took office........

[loveisdead]

judging by the math i saw above,

if anyone needs more money, it's the american education system.
Agreed. Instead of Bush invading Iraq, he should've taken that exact same money and pumped it up the ass of the education system.

Obama should completely pull our asses out of the middle east and do the same thing.

[loveisdead]

Well then why is he complaining and acting as if this issue effects him directly...?

I'm really confused right now.
He still has loans to pay off, but considering the price of the school he's paying hardly anything.

Edit: I just really didn't want to hear him spout off the scholarships he has.

[Mercy Medical]

He still has loans to pay off, but considering the price of the school he's paying hardly anything.

Edit: I just really didn't want to hear him spout off the scholarships he has.
So the fuck what...? I have loans to pay off as well and I had scholarships, but you don't see me bitching about it. (This tone isn't intended towards you)

Yes, college is expensive and yes it should be an option for anyone that wants it, but you also have a choice in regards to what school you want to go to and what price you want to pay. There are thousands of colleges to choose from in this country.

[J.C.]

Here's a fun little fact:

if you spent a million dollars every day starting from the day Jesus was born until today, Obama still would have spent more money than you.

That's a fun little fact if you're unaware that annual federal spending has exceeded that amount every single year since Reagan took office. Run along now, doofus.

[jusscali]

If you have troubles paying for college....maybe you should have picked a cheaper one.

That's not to say that college costs aren't getting a bit out of control, but still, you have some level of control in those matters. You could have done better in high school and gotten academic scholarships or applied for more scholarships when you were in high school.

You're right about picking the wrong school but

1. Couldn't have done any better in high school
2. Couldn't have done any better in college
3. Applied for scholarships

I still think if the car companies can get bailed out, that college students in debt have a semi-valid claim to some help

[Mercy Medical]

And addressing your issue as "that fuck needs to..." really doesn't make anyone take your issue seriously.

[loveisdead]

So the fuck what...? I have loans to pay off as well and I had scholarships, but you don't see me bitching about it. (This tone isn't intended towards you)

Yes, college is expensive and yes it should be an option for anyone that wants it, but you also have a choice in regards to what school you want to go to and what price you want to pay. There are thousands of colleges to choose from in this country.
I agree. You gotta figure that he (and I) are about to graduate and thinking about the loans we have to pay off kinda looms over you.

[wrppdarndyrfngr]

Yes, that would work if the national debt had been zero when George Bush took office........

oh ya my bad.

it is still $7million/day which last time I check is still bigger than $1 million/day

[TheByrus]

That's a fun little fact if you're unaware that annual federal spending has exceeded that amount every single year since Reagan took office. Run along now, doofus.


that was just in obama's first month.

nice try.

[Mercy Medical]

You're right about picking the wrong school but

1. Couldn't have done any better in high school
2. Couldn't have done any better in college
3. Applied for scholarships

I still think if the car companies can get bailed out, that college students in debt have a semi-valid claim to some help
1 and 2 are complete and total bullshit. Anyone could do better in high school/college. All it does is take more time and effort.

And isn't Obama giving some sort of credit for college students? I don't know the specifics of it, but I do remember him mentioning something during the campaign.

Honestly, you just sound like a whiny bitch right now.

[loveisdead]

That's a fun little fact if you're unaware that annual federal spending has exceeded that amount every single year since Reagan took office. Run along now, doofus.
Hahahahahah :lol: doofus. Amazing word.
You're right about picking the wrong school but

1. Couldn't have done any better in high school
2. Couldn't have done any better in college
3. Applied for scholarships

I still think if the car companies can get bailed out, that college students in debt have a semi-valid claim to some help
It's very hard to parallel car companies and college kids.

[jusscali]

And addressing your issue as "that fuck needs to..." really doesn't make anyone take your issue seriously.

It's fine, I'm only like 10% serious with the statement anyway. Just angry. I know it's totally not feasible and it's even more ridiculous to suggest otherwise. I was bored and I got sick of seeing the liberal v. conservative debate so I decided I'd randomly vent mid topic. Sorry for wasting your time, you've served your purpose

[loveisdead]

1 and 2 are complete and total bullshit. Anyone could do better in high school/college. All it does is take more time and effort.

And isn't Obama giving some sort of credit for college students? I don't know the specifics of it, but I do remember him mentioning something during the campaign.

Honestly, you just sound like a whiny bitch right now.
Again. Don't know his high school average but his gpa here is a 3.9(?) He'll correct me if I'm wrong.

I haven't heard of the Obama thing yet, but I really hope he does. That's a great idea.

[jusscali]

I'm not going to correct you, I'm just going to say that 1 and 2 really aren't bullshit. I mean yeah in high school I intentionally fudged an AP chem final exam so I wouldn't have to give a speech to my graduating class, but for the most part I'm academically perfect. That's entirely beside the point though. Picking this school was the problem, but with help from the government, kids wouldn't have to put in the position where they can't go where they want to get an education.

[Mercy Medical]

I agree. You gotta figure that he (and I) are about to graduate and thinking about the loans we have to pay off kinda looms over you.
At this moment in time (as bad as this is going to sound) that is just part of life and one has the option of choices for their potential financial outcome post college. We all have loans to worry about once we graduate college. We all have to worry about getting a job to pay those loans before the grace period expires. I know it, I experienced it. I had to defer my student loans because I couldn't find a job soon enough. And considering car and credit card payments, student loans are the least of my worries since they have the smallest interest rate.

[Mercy Medical]

It's fine, I'm only like 10% serious with the statement anyway. Just angry. I know it's totally not feasible and it's even more ridiculous to suggest otherwise. I was bored and I got sick of seeing the liberal v. conservative debate so I decided I'd randomly vent mid topic. Sorry for wasting your time, you've served your purpose
My only words of advice...welcome to the real world where people pay real bills.

[loveisdead]

At this moment in time (as bad as this is going to sound) that is just part of life and one has the option of choices for their potential financial outcome post college. We all have loans to worry about once we graduate college. We all have to worry about getting a job to pay those loans before the grace period expires. I know it, I experienced it. I had to defer my student loans because I couldn't find a job soon enough. And considering car and credit card payments, student loans are the least of my worries since they have the smallest interest rate.
I totally agree with you. It just that last week I was at exit interviews for my loans and going over them, so it's sort of something fresh in my head. Not that I'm complaining about it in a thread about teabagging (god that sounds funny) but I understand why it's on his mind.

[jusscali]

At this moment in time (as bad as this is going to sound) that is just part of life and one has the option of choices for their potential financial outcome post college. We all have loans to worry about once we graduate college. We all have to worry about getting a job to pay those loans before the grace period expires. I know it, I experienced it. I had to defer my student loans because I couldn't find a job soon enough. And considering car and credit card payments, student loans are the least of my worries since they have the smallest interest rate.

I still fully contend that what you and everyone else has to go through is bullshit. Call it "the real world" all you want. I still think its unfair and we should be helped - you, him, me - everyone. It shouldn't be the way things are. That's all I'm saying.

[anthonydarko]

Here's a fun little fact:

if you spent a million dollars every day starting from the day Jesus was born until today, Obama still would have spent more money than you.
Thanks for the totally reliable Fox News Fun Fact!

[loveisdead]

Please no more Jesus talk.

[jusscali]

Throw all this money being thrown around in useless wars and defenses, or bailing out bad companies and failing industries and put it into the American education system - whether that's helping with loans and debt or in our institutions in general. This country could be a great nation if education was put first.

[IAmNietzche]

Thanks for the totally reliable Fox News Fun Fact!
Not gonna argue that his fun fact isn't irrelevant, but do the math, it is reliable, Fox news or not.

[jusscali]

Please no more Jesus talk.

That we agree on. The name jesus shouldn't even appear, in any context, in the politics forum. Ugh.

[loveisdead]

Throw all this money being thrown around in useless wars and defenses, or bailing out bad companies and failing industries and put it into the American education system - whether that's helping with loans and debt or in our institutions in general. This country could be a great nation if education was put first.
I agree with this.

[IAmNietzche]

Throw all this money being thrown around in useless wars and defenses, or bailing out bad companies and failing industries and put it into the American education system - whether that's helping with loans and debt or in our institutions in general. This country could be a great nation if education was put first.
Why are you in college? What is your end-goal?

[Mercy Medical]

I'm not going to correct you, I'm just going to say that 1 and 2 really aren't bullshit. I mean yeah in high school I intentionally fudged an AP chem final exam so I wouldn't have to give a speech to my graduating class, but for the most part I'm academically perfect. That's entirely beside the point though. Picking this school was the problem, but with help from the government, kids wouldn't have to put in the position where they can't go where they want to get an education.And there, you have my reasoning as to why 1 and 2 are bullshit.

I went to a small, unknown school in Indiana and am currently working at a company with people that went to Penn State. They paid for the Penn State name and most likely the atmosphere, but in the end we're equivalent. The larger school had no advantage over the small one.

You picked the school you're going to and I assume you did so knowing the financial burden it may cause you in the future. That was your decision and what seems to be your mistake. The opportunity to go to college should be there for anyone who wants it, but the opportunity to go to a $50,000 a year school should not be there for anyone that wants it because that is just stupid.

You accepted the financial burden when you started attending and continued to attend that school. That is no one's fault, but yourself, especially considering that it sounds like you're receiving a substantial amount of money. You could have picked a cheaper school and not be in your current situation. It seems as though you were not out of reach of college, so I really don't see why you're complaining.

[jusscali]

I agree with this.

....AND THAT'S THE BOTTOM LINE

[jusscali]

Why are you in college? What is your end-goal?

To learn, to grow, to be enlightened. I don't have a bottom line lol

[TheByrus]

Jesus talk?

It's a date in time and at no point did anyone bring up religion.

[Mercy Medical]

Throw all this money being thrown around in useless wars and defenses, or bailing out bad companies and failing industries and put it into the American education system - whether that's helping with loans and debt or in our institutions in general. This country could be a great nation if education was put first.
If a good education was put first, not an education that everyone can afford. Making college less expensive will not help the education of this country if the education is still a shitty one. More money should be put towards improving our K-12 education considering it is mostly a public institution while a good portion of colleges are private ones. We need to improve the education there before we even start worrying about making college more affordable.

[IAmNietzche]

And there, you have my reasoning as to why 1 and 2 are bullshit.

I went to a small, unknown school in Indiana and am currently working at a company with people that went to Penn State. They paid for the Penn State name and most likely the atmosphere, but in the end we're equivalent. The larger school had no advantage over the small one.

You picked the school you're going to and I assume you did so knowing the financial burden it may cause you in the future. That was your decision and what seems to be your mistake. The opportunity to go to college should be there for anyone who wants it, but the opportunity to go to a $50,000 a year school should not be there for anyone that wants it because that is just stupid.

You accepted the financial burden when you started attending and continued to attend that school. That is no one's fault, but yourself, especially considering that it sounds like you're receiving a substantial amount of money. You could have picked a cheaper school and not be in your current situation. It seems as though you were not out of reach of college, so I really don't see why you're complaining.
That name means more then you're giving it credit for. Not necessarily Penn State, but brand name in general.

[Mercy Medical]

That we agree on. The name jesus shouldn't even appear, in any context, in the politics forum. Ugh.
This is more or less a "debate" forum then a politics one. There is no other place for people to debate religion, so what do you suggest, they go to the general forum...?

[Mercy Medical]

That name means more then you're giving it credit for. Not necessarily Penn State, but brand name in general.
No, I agree with that 100%. I'm just saying that regardless if the name has more weight then Indiana Tech, I'm still working at the same place.

Honestly, in the end it doesn't really matter what college you go to or what degree you get as long as you go and get one. While big names like that may have more leeway when attempting to find a job in a very large company, I've come to find out that it means very little in the end...at least with my own experiences finding jobs and I've had two post college.

[loveisdead]

Jesus talk?

It's a date in time and at no point did anyone bring up religion.
I meant that the entire discussion was ridiculous.

[IAmNietzche]

Jesus talk?

It's a date in time and at no point did anyone bring up religion.
He was just branding your post (and similar irrelevant posts about how much money it is) as Jesus talk because you used the word.

Ironically, your post here is the first post bringing up religion in this thread so it is you who are to blame for the subsequent posts on religion.

[jusscali]

This is more or less a "debate" forum then a politics one. There is no other place for people to debate religion, so what do you suggest, they go to the general forum...?

No, that they fall of the face of the earth hahah

I'm sorry, I completely apologize. I'm not nearly invested in this debate as I should be. I hear everything you are saying plain in simple, I understand your argument. Again, regardless, I would contend it's not right and if the state wants its citizens to educated, to compete with the classes of others in other countries, both economically and otherwise, it should then provide that education for them. A large segment of the population swimming in debt cannot possibly be a good thing for this country right now. I just think its bullshit. Then again, I fundamentally disagree with a lot of what this country/government stands for or how it operates.

Get out. I know.

[J.C.]

that was just in obama's first month.

nice try.

That's not the least bit relevant to what you posted. Obama could've passed the stimulus bill a year from now and it wouldn't have made your point any less retarded.

Every annual budget since 1982 has exceeded your Jesus fun fact. You probably would've known that if you took the time to research what you were talking about instead of copying and pasting something you read on National Review Online.

[Mercy Medical]

To learn, to grow, to be enlightened. I don't have a bottom line lol
So by this statement I assume that you went to college to learn, grow and have a good time and now it's sucky because it's almost over which means you thus need to get a job to pay of your loans...

[Everiggs]

I was at work and I overheard a customer talking to my boss about how she participated in this today. She said some of the signs were "hilarious" and she "had such a fun time." Then she continued to make typical conservative remarks. I just laughed from the other room.

The people I know that are involved in this are sooooo effing stupid that it's ridiculous. I'm not saying they're dumb because of their involvement, but just really stupid in general.

[Mercy Medical]

No, that they fall of the face of the earth hahah

I'm sorry, I completely apologize. I'm not nearly invested in this debate as I should be. I hear everything you are saying plain in simple, I understand your argument. Again, regardless, I would contend it's not right and if the state wants its citizens to educated, to compete with the classes of others in other countries, both economically and otherwise, it should then provide that education for them. A large segment of the population swimming in debt cannot possibly be a good thing for this country right now. I just think its bullshit. Then again, I fundamentally disagree with a lot of what this country/government stands for or how it operates.

Get out. I know.
I suggest you go back and read my post about quality of education over cost of education.

And there are a significantly larger portion of individuals in this country who can barely afford to put food on the table, let alone have to be concerned about paying college loans. Going to college was your choice. Going to a college that was beyond your means was a choice. Getting a credit card and maxing it out and thus being in debt is your choice. The government should not be accountable for your own stupidity.

[jusscali]

So by this statement I assume that you went to college to learn, grow and have a good time and now it's sucky because it's almost over which means you thus need to get a job to pay of your loans...

Not even a good time. Ask Ryan, I don't even go out half the time. I don't drink that much and I hate partying. I'm a social recluse for the most part. The "college experience" was nothing I ever really wanted to be apart of. I came here to do business and that's what got done.

[loveisdead]

Not even a good time. Ask Ryan, I don't even go out half the time. I don't drink that much and I hate partying. I'm a social recluse for the most part. The "college experience" was nothing I ever really wanted to be apart of. I came here to do business and that's what got done.
He's right.

[TheByrus]

He was just branding your post (and similar irrelevant posts about how much money it is) as Jesus talk because you used the word.


That's not the least bit relevant to what you posted. Obama could've passed the stimulus bill a year from now and it wouldn't have made your point any less retarded.

Every annual budget since 1982 has exceeded your Jesus fun fact. You probably would've known that if you took the time to research what you were talking about instead of copying and pasting something you read on National Review Online.


Oh, well then I assume it's acceptable for me to refer to the subsequent quoted post as retarded talk because he used the word.

[jusscali]

I suggest you go back and read my post about quality of education over cost of education.

And there are a significantly larger portion of individuals in this country who can barely afford to put food on the table, let alone have to be concerned about paying college loans. Going to college was your choice. Going to a college that was beyond your means was a choice. Getting a credit card and maxing it out and thus being in debt is your choice. The government should not be accountable for your own stupidity.

I read it again. We just completely disagree. If I hadn't of gone to college I really don't know what I would have done. I was far too capable not to go to college and pursue a degree. I don't think I'm "stupid" for doing so - I just went through the same motions most high school graduates go through. I picked the wrong school, but again I don't think people should be so discouraged because of financial capacity when it comes to something as integral as an education. And my credit is golden, I just have too many loans haha

[IAmNietzche]

Oh, well then I assume it's ok for me to refer to the subsequent quoted post as retarded talk because he used the word.
I don't care what you refer to it as.

[loveisdead]

Seriously, this is still going on. JC just destroyed your stupid post. Admit you weren't as informed as you should've been and move the fuck on.

[IAmNietzche]

Seriously, this is still going on. JC just destroyed your stupid post. Admit you weren't as informed as you should've been and move the fuck on.
Quote plz.

[TheByrus]

Seriously, this is still going on. JC just destroyed your stupid post. Admit you weren't as informed as you should've been and move the fuck on.

How exactly was I not informed?


Which part of it is not true?

[jimjam32]

i have to go to one of these next thursday for my geography class. 50 bonus points. that's a lot of points for the class.... i just can;t decide if it's worth it..

[Mercy Medical]

I read it again. We just completely disagree. If I hadn't of gone to college I really don't know what I would have done. I was far too capable not to go to college and pursue a degree. I don't think I'm "stupid" for doing so - I just went through the same motions most high school graduates go through. I picked the wrong school, but again I don't think people should be so discouraged because of financial capacity when it comes to something as integral as an education. And my credit is golden, I just have too many loans haha
You're not stupid for going to college, you're stupid for choosing a college that was beyond your means then bitching about it's cost after the fact.

So you think that the cost of education should come before the quality and that our government should invest money into decreasing the cost of college instead of investing money into improving the quality of our K-12 education because (and I don't know the statistics) some kids that get to college don't even know basic algebra because they received a poor public education prior to college?

You say you picked the wrong college, okay, well you did it. It was a mistake and there's nothing you can do to change it now. I don't understand how you didn't see that mistake coming when you know the financial burden it would put on you to begin with. I mean, typically one knows the cost of the college they are attending before they start attending it. If you made the choice of going to a college beyond your means and thus have loans to pay for because of it, that is your mistake and it was a mistake.

Grow up and take accountability for your own actions and choices.

And I wasn't saying your credit wasn't, I was using that as an example. Choosing the college you go to that will put you in debt is no different then choosing to max out your credit card and thus be in debt from it. These are choices you made and part of being an adult is taking accountability for your own actions.

[loveisdead]

How exactly was I not informed?


Which part of it is not true?
That's not the least bit relevant to what you posted. Obama could've passed the stimulus bill a year from now and it wouldn't have made your point any less retarded.

Every annual budget since 1982 has exceeded your Jesus fun fact. You probably would've known that if you took the time to research what you were talking about instead of copying and pasting something you read on National Review Online.
Uninformed was the wrong word.

[J.C.]

Oh, well then I assume it's acceptable for me to refer to the subsequent quoted post as retarded talk because he used the word.

I have no idea what this post means.

[Adeniz19]

this thread has completely lost me haha

[jusscali]

You're not stupid for going to college, you're stupid for choosing a college that was beyond your means then bitching about it's cost after the fact.

So you think that the cost of education should come before the quality and that our government should invest money into decreasing the cost of college instead of investing money into improving the quality of our K-12 education because (and I don't know the statistics) some kids that get to college don't even know basic algebra because they received a poor public education prior to college?

You say you picked the wrong college, okay, well you did it. It was a mistake and there's nothing you can do to change it now. I don't understand how you didn't see that mistake coming when you know the financial burden it would put on you to begin with. I mean, typically one knows the cost of the college they are attending before they start attending it. If you made the choice of going to a college beyond your means and thus have loans to pay for because of it, that is your mistake and it was a mistake.

Grow up and take accountability for your own actions and choices.

And I wasn't saying your credit wasn't, I was using that as an example. Choosing the college you go to that will put you in debt is no different then choosing to max out your credit card and thus be in debt from it. These are choices you made and part of being an adult is taking accountability for your own actions.

K. Applying to jobs as we speak.

It's hard to argue your point to someone who is pretty much a communist - I think the State should pay for everything. I guess that really ruins your quality standard.

[loveisdead]

this thread has completely lost me haha
It isn't much about tea baggers anymore haha.

[Mercy Medical]

K. Applying to jobs as we speak.

It's hard to argue your point to someone who is pretty much a communist - I think the State should pay for everything. I guess that really ruins your quality standard.
Are you just posting in this thread to be an ass and piss everyone off or something?

[jusscali]

Not necessarily to be an ass, or to piss anyone off. I already apologized for not being more than 10% serious - I really didn't think someone would jump onto what I said and argue for or against it. I was bored and I knew nicholsen would be here and so I threw out a random, ridiculous statement. I'm too far on the left to even talk American politics - I feel so out of place.

[starshine1763]

The issue of course with that theory is the factual evidence of voter fraud committed by ACORN. While you can make your argument (and it isnt a bad one) you could then make the opposing argument that ACORN was committing voter fraud to help win in the case that the election was close.


FYI voter registration fraud =/= voter fraud. You could make that opposing case if you aren't actually aware of what ACORN was doing.

[saysmydoctor]

Here's a fun little fact:

if you spent a million dollars every day starting from the day Jesus was born until today, Obama still would have spent more money than you.
Care factor nearing -10000000000
I do, however, like Obama's high-speed rail plan. DFW to Austin in under an hour is downright awesome.
Of course, if the projects benefit you they are awesome. Are you reenacting Lindsey Graham on Meet the Press? It's that level hypocrisy.
If you have troubles paying for college....maybe you should have picked a cheaper one.

That's not to say that college costs aren't getting a bit out of control, but still, you have some level of control in those matters. You could have done better in high school and gotten academic scholarships or applied for more scholarships when you were in high school.

Or better yet, you could have gotten a job in high school and saved up money so it wouldn't have been such a big hit when it finally came around.
Or college could be a cost suffered by the national government. My getting an education along with his benefits the government anyway.

[jusscali]

If it's any consolation I <3 Brandtson

[jusscali]

Care factor nearing -10000000000

Of course, if the projects benefit you they are awesome. Are you reenacting Lindsey Graham on Meet the Press? It's that level hypocrisy.

Or college could be a cost suffered by the national government. My getting an education along with his benefits the government anyway.

There ya go buddy. I'm with the doctah

[loveisdead]

Sean, what the fuck took you so long to get in here?

[jusscali]

Sean, what the fuck took you so long to get in here?

Making house calls...duh

[saysmydoctor]

Fucking bio lab.

Had I known ignorance would have been rampant, I would have brought my laptop.

[loveisdead]

Worst joke I've ever heard.

[TheByrus]

Care factor nearing -10000000000

Of course, if the projects benefit you they are awesome. Are you reenacting Lindsey Graham on Meet the Press? It's that level hypocrisy.

Or college could be a cost suffered by the national government. My getting an education along with his benefits the government anyway.


I'm a hypocrite because I posted a mathematical fact and said I like a current project Obama is working on?


Would I still be a hypocrite if I told you that I voted for Obama?

[loveisdead]

Fucking bio lab.

Had I known ignorance would have been rampant, I would have brought my laptop.
I was gonna take a nap, but then I got a little mad.

[saysmydoctor]

Also, why should anybody who is getting into a superior institution of higher learning in the wrong for no enrolling simply because he is not capable of affording it?

That's called a wasted opportunity. The public should help these individuals.

[saysmydoctor]

I'm a hypocrite because I posted a mathematical fact and said I like a current project Obama is working on?


Would I still be a hypocrite if I told you that I voted for Obama?
Well you implied it was wasteful of him, yet you were okay with him spending something that benefited you. I still say very Lindsey Grahamish, but I need to learn to give the benefit of the doubt.

Probably not.

[Mercy Medical]

Once again, yes...a college education should be something that everyone is financially capable of receiving, but a $50,000 a year education should not. There are thousands of colleges in this country to chose from that in the end, unless you're attending an Ivy League school really don't matter in regards to getting a job.

I never said education wasn't important, but focusing on the quality of education received is more important then focusing on the cost of it. Especially, like I said, when we have high school seniors going to college without knowledge of basic skills. Yes, the costs should be decreased and like I said prior, everyone should have the opportunity to attend if they want, but in the end it is up the the attendee to chose where they want to go depending on their financial situation (which could include a government credit for going).

There's a line in the sand that needs to be drawn between the government providing equal opportunities to individuals and those individuals making their own choices.

[IAmNietzche]

Once again, yes...a college education should be something that everyone is financially capable of receiving, but a $50,000 a year education should not. There are thousands of colleges in this country to chose from that in the end, unless you're attending an Ivy League school really don't matter in regards to getting a job.

I never said education wasn't important, but focusing on the quality of education received is more important then focusing on the cost of it. Especially, like I said, when we have high school seniors going to college without knowledge of basic skills. Yes, the costs should be decreased and like I said prior, everyone should have the opportunity to attend if they want, but in the end it is up the the attendee to chose where they want to go depending on their financial situation (which could include a government credit for going).

There's a line in the sand that needs to be drawn between the government providing equal opportunities to individuals and those individuals making their own choices.
You are underselling the difference between 2nd and 3rd tier universities and the elite schools in our nation. The point is that if a student excels enough to attend a university that costs $50,000, they should have the opportunity to go.

[jusscali]

You are underselling the difference between 2nd and 3rd tier universities and the elite schools in our nation. The point is that if a student excels enough to attend a university that costs $50,000, they should have the opportunity to go.

Yeah and not be punished for it.

[AP_Punk]

this was in today's local paper - can't find a bigger size of it. oh well:

http://extras.mnginteractive.com/live/media/site567/2009/0415/20090415__newsA1teaParty0416~1_300. jpg

i love the "honk 4 capitalism" sign. :rotfl:

[saysmydoctor]

You are underselling the difference between 2nd and 3rd tier universities and the elite schools in our nation. The point is that if a student excels enough to attend a university that costs $50,000, they should have the opportunity to go.
This.

[jusscali]

I mean yea, it is also the school's fault for not providing further scholarship opportunities. To excel so much at this university and yet not be thrown a dime, or a chance to receive more help is a fucking joke.

[IAmNietzche]

I mean yea, it is also the school's fault for not providing further scholarship opportunities. To excel so much at this university and yet not be thrown a dime, or a chance to receive more help is a fucking joke.
The university is a business. The money they "throw" at you out of high school is an incentive to buy their product (an education). Once you're there, they could care less about the burden they place on you.

[jusscali]

The university is a business. The money they "throw" at you out of high school is an incentive to buy their product (an education). Once you're there, they could care less about the burden they place on you.

I just know of some schools that provided some form of extended aid and scholarship (3k, 2k, 5k) to my friends and my brother. I mean, heck, I'm helping to improve the image of your business, pay for my fucking books for a semester. In my case, every penny counts. Either that or take the 20 bucks it costs to make all these damn plaques you keep giving me and pay for my groceries.

[Jason Tate]

I just know of some schools that provided some form of extended aid and scholarship (3k, 2k, 5k) to my friends and my brother. I mean, heck, I'm helping to improve the image of your business, pay for my fucking books for a semester. In my case, every penny counts. Either that or take the 20 bucks it costs to make all these damn plaques you keep giving me and pay for my groceries.
Dunno man, if you're including the posts you've made on this website as "helping improve the image of your business" - I'd have to say you're full of it. Cause I think you're a moron and would keep anyone I know away from your school for fear that it would rub off.

Nothing personal.

[J.C.]

poor QU :-(

[jusscali]

Dunno man, if you're including the posts you've made on this website as "helping improve the image of your business" - I'd have to say you're full of it. Cause I think you're a moron and would keep anyone I know away from your school for fear that it would rub off.

Nothing personal.

I meant statistically speaking. Regardless my posts on this site I'm a entirely different person offline. Half of what I say or do on this site is either completely false, or just bullshit to stir things up. I love apnet for the news and what not, but in most cases its just a playground for me. I'd say something nice in return, but gotta keep those points down eh?

[Jason Tate]

poor QU :-(
People bitching about things they choose to do annoys me to no end.

[Jason Tate]

I meant statistically speaking. Regardless my posts on this site I'm a entirely different person offline. Half of what I say or do on this site is either completely false, or just bullshit to stir things up. I love apnet for the news and what not, but in most cases its just a playground for me. I'd say something nice in return, but gotta keep those points down eh?
So you flat out admit you're not helping improve the image of their business. So you were lying. Great. Grand. Wonderful.

[saysmydoctor]

Holy relevancy Batman.

[Duexy]

That we agree on. The name jesus shouldn't even appear, in any context, in the politics forum. Ugh.

Government, economy, religion, race, and more - the debates start here.



shrugface

[GuitarR0cker1]

I read this whole thread and it made my brain hurt. There were so many stupid arguments coming from conservatives in here.

[loveisdead]

So you flat out admit you're not helping improve the image of their business. So you were lying. Great. Grand. Wonderful.
I go to school with him, he's a decent friend of mine, he's in the same major as me and he has the highest GPA in the entire school. He improves business at QU and makes a fool of himself on this website.

Edit: No yelling on the bus.

[jusscali]

So does this mean I don't get the job? lol

[loveisdead]

That's what he's talking about.

[Jason Tate]

I go to school with him, he's a decent friend of mine, he's in the same major as me and he has the highest GPA in the entire school. He improves business at QU and makes a fool of himself on this website.

Edit: No yelling on the bus.
What is that supposed to prove? If anything you validated my statement. So, thanks, I guess.

[Duexy]

mole hills to mountains