I was refering to another "label" fiasco of late

My understanding is that pressing vinyls costs a lot of money, and the income from pre-orders is what funds that entire project. It's also my understanding that manufacturing vinyls is a very difficult process and it's not as easy as plugging an iPod into one side of a machine, and having wax pop out the other. These two issues in combination create a lengthy process riddled with possible sources of error--and sources error that occur frequently when making vinyls.

So if these errors are to be expected, then delay should be expected, and not informing the customers as to what is going on is the wrong way to go. I am commending them based on my (admittedly small) amount of knowledge on how vinyls are made, and my experience with long delayed orders with ABSOLUTELY NO update.

It looks like it. I'm pretty sure the white ones were untitled too. I wonder if the orange ones are Dude Ranch... I don't own the MTS pressing so I can't compare

i still don't regret getting my refund.

An eight-month delay? With updates few and far between? And all the elements are JUST NOW going into production?

LOLZ

well, let's be a little fair here, Ace kinda screwed over Joe with that. ADR made a lot of mistakes, but Ace certainly didn't make things any easier.

huh, I thought all of those were out of stock?

Well, not to be a dick or anything, but this is not how vinyl labels work - only shady ones that ask for MONEY without PRODUCTS. You know, like MTS. They should have work out these numerous details and manufacturing costs BEFORE they started asking for money, not the other way around. That's why everyone is understandably upset. I would be too, but I've learned from members here and elsewhere not to fuck with them.

Take for example Scott's small Youth Conspiracy label that he is releasing Weatherbox through. Everything I have ordered has been on time, sometimes AHEAD of schedule, and he's been incredibly on top of all orders and he runs the label out of his damn house.

On one of my orders I had even ordered two color varients, received one, let Scott know and he shipped my other one next day with a free 7" for the inconvenience.

Now you tell me who's doing it right.

These guys are slouches.

If you're serious about starting a long-term sustainable business, it shouldn't be a case of " income from pre-orders is what funds that entire project". If it is absolutely necessary for you to act like that, then you better have your shit buttoned up and in tip-top shape to ensure that delays are kept to an absolute minimum.

Sure, but he should have let people know before he made photocopies. It takes 5 minutes to write an email and say "Hey, here's what happened...this is what I'm gonna do, if you dont like it contact me for a refund"

This doesn't sound like how a record label that's been around for a number of years should operate. It's a great model for small up and coming companies but when you're pressing a record by such a big band then you really should have this stuff thought out beforehand. [

Long story short, leave the using revenue from reorders to fund the entire project to up and coming Kickstarter projects. Not to a record label that's been around for a good 5 years.

like I said, ADR made a lot of mistakes. Probably panicked.

My thoughts exactly. I got a refund and had a record shipped here from Germany with it in the time it took R.J. to post a video in which he doesn't give any new information.

No. Thanks.

haha I love this post.

This is all true.