Originally Posted by Jason Tate (Post 104530672)

A ridiculous phrase that is wrong.

Originally Posted by SophGod (Post 104529192)

Kickstarter isn't fucking about the rewards. It's about the donations.

Originally Posted by Jason Tate (Post 104530602)

It's not just for the cd. It is for helping the band record said CD too.

Don't want to do that? Don't. Just buy it if/when it comes out. Simple.

Originally Posted by Soupy (Post 104530642)

I read the blog. I appreciated that he agreed that this could be done cheaper. I don't know about Mixtapes but that's really my whole point and as long as they're honest about that, I'm fine with it. Also, I'm openly admitting that I've never heard of this band before today so I am unaware of any of their back story. If the band somehow reads this:

- If you really only wanna do 2 weeks, don't buy a new trailer. They rent super cheap. Also, consider renting a van. I don't know what's in Seattle but greenvans rents vans and trailers together for about 150 a day. Less than what you'd pay to fix your van. Again, this is only if you're only planning to do two weeks.

- My man Mitch would make you a dope video for less than that.

- You should be writing off way more on your taxes. Who does your return? Are you guys taking advantage of the M&IE rates day to day?

Originally Posted by Thomas Nassiff (Post 104530782)

True, they are more people, but if they're still most likely touring in the same 9- or 12-passenger van. When you're on tour and getting a guarantee every night like TCC would be, they will also have per diems from that guarantee for food. Granted it may be $20 but when you're on tour you should be able to cop lunch for $10 and eat whatever is on your rider. I don't think anyone can convince me that a band that is going to have a couple thousand dollar guarantee plus positive merch sales really needs $10,000 to go on tour for 14 days.

That costs $5,000 according to them, which they would get back pretty quickly.

Originally Posted by Jason Tate (Post 104530952)

How do you make any claim like that without a single fact? They laid out exactly how they came to the number, and said that 95% of their tours have broken even.

Originally Posted by StephenYoung (Post 104531032)

If it isn't about the rewards, then it's not all that different then some dude begging for change on some street corner.

Originally Posted by StephenYoung (Post 104531032)

If it isn't about the rewards, then it's not all that different then some dude begging for change on some street corner.

Originally Posted by cshadows2887 (Post 104531072)

Are you this certain about their guarantee? I don't know either way, but you seem really positive about being able to ballpark their take.

And not really on the van/trailer. Two people can travel in a car/small SUV with a half trailer. Especially if one of them isn't a drummer. I'm not saying that's what The Narrative are doing, but I've known other small bands to do it.

Originally Posted by Thomas Nassiff (Post 104530972)

Is it though? If one specific person isn't going to ever hear your name, wouldn't you rather have them hear your name in a slightly negative light (which in this case, it's not like Mixtapes committed a crime, they just stated an opinion that not everyone agrees with, it's not like it's negative light Jonny Craig style) and then have the potential of turning that person into a fan?

Originally Posted by Thomas Nassiff (Post 104531132)

I am operating on the idea that this band has been inactive for a bit and haven't gone on tour or recorded anything in a while, so this would be something of a "reunion" for people to get stoked on. I just realized that I have no idea why I thought that, though - have they been pretty active lately? If so that would change my reasoning a bit.

Originally Posted by Thomas Nassiff (Post 104531202)

The Narrative always has a drummer, they just don't have a full-time one. They took a drummer with em on tour.

Originally Posted by fuckyourscenes (Post 104530632)

That's because they're nowhere near as popular as Max Bemis, so his song-writing is more valued than theirs. And that has nothing to do with who you think is better.

Originally Posted by cshadows2887 (Post 104531192)

Yes it is. Because they are providing something: music. That's what kickstarter boils down to. You are paying to allow music you like to continue existing. And most of the time, you'll get cool rewards out of it, too. But what you're paying for is the continuation of art you love. Plain and simple.