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Jason Tate 03/20/12 10:34 AM

Follow-up: Iraqi Government's Role in the "Emo" Targeted Violence
 
In a follow-up to a previous post about how Iraqi teenagers were being stoned to death for "emo" haircuts, a new article has been posted that goes into more depth about the Iraqi government's role in these activities.
From the ArticleThe new Iraq is full of contradictions. On the one hand, it has allowed space for kids to listen to Western music, and dress in new styles, because families now have the internet, are exposed to a plethora of media outlets, and have access to satellites and new televisions, which were limited in the past, because of international sanctions. At the same time, various Islamist groups have taken power, and their followers in the government and security forces have tried to crackdown on what they consider un-religious youth groups. Since the Interior Ministry has condemned emos, they cannot look to the authorities for help in this situation. They will likely have to go underground until the tide turns, and the situation is not so inflamed, so that they can once again dress how they like.

fna4 03/20/12 10:58 AM

All nations have problems accepting minority groups. Look at how we treated black people, lynchings were common well into the 20th century. How about all the hate crimes against gay people etc. I'm not saying we're as bad as Iraq but we still have a ways to go in our own country before we go "liberating" other countries again. We were also the ones who created a situation in which extremism was allowed to flourish post invasion.

Holly HoX! 03/20/12 11:02 AM

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Originally Posted by fna4 (Post 105030232)
Like we're ones to talk. Look at how we treated black people, lynchings were common well into the 20th century. How about all the hate crimes against gay people etc.


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SmeezyBeezy 03/20/12 11:02 AM

Is that site really worthy of a news post? It was just a blog...

thesinkingship 03/20/12 11:17 AM

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Originally Posted by fna4 (Post 105030232)
We were also the ones who created a situation in which extremism was allowed to flourish post invasion.


Because extremism (what most Americans would call it anyway) wasn't already entrenched in Iraqi society? X-)

fna4 03/20/12 11:18 AM

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Originally Posted by thesinkingship (Post 105031482)
Because extremism (what most Americans would call it anyway) wasn't already entrenched in Iraqi society? X-)

Iraq was a secular state before we invaded. It was a brutal dictatorship but secular nonetheless.

Meeze 03/20/12 11:20 AM

Example #56,043,172 of how backwards the Middle East still is.

fna4 03/20/12 11:21 AM

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Originally Posted by Meeze (Post 105031752)
Example #56,043,172 of how backwards the Middle East still is.

Example #56,043,173 of how sweeping generalizations make you seem like an idiot.

Meeze 03/20/12 11:21 AM

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Originally Posted by fna4 (Post 105031642)
Iraq was a secular state before we invaded. It was a brutal dictatorship but secular nonetheless.

In name only...

fna4 03/20/12 11:23 AM

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Originally Posted by Meeze (Post 105031872)
In name only...

What the hell are you talking about? Saddam detested Al Quaeda as well as other Islamic groups because he saw them as a threat to his power. It was a secular state, that's a fact.

Meeze 03/20/12 11:24 AM

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Originally Posted by fna4 (Post 105031862)
Example #56,043,173 of how sweeping generalizations make you seem like an idiot.

Go ahead, explain to me the overwhelming progressive nature of any Middle Eastern state. Oh, I heard Saudi Arabia is letting women drive now. Damn hippies.

Jason Tate 03/20/12 11:26 AM

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Originally Posted by fna4 (Post 105030232)
Like we're ones to talk. Look at how we treated black people, lynchings were common well into the 20th century. How about all the hate crimes against gay people etc. I'm not saying we're as bad as Iraq but we still have a ways to go in our own country before we go "liberating" other countries again. We were also the ones who created a situation in which extremism was allowed to flourish post invasion.


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Originally Posted by fna4 (Post 105031862)
Example #56,043,173 of how sweeping generalizations make you seem like an idiot.

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Meeze 03/20/12 11:27 AM

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Originally Posted by fna4 (Post 105031982)
What the hell are you talking about? Saddam detested Al Quaeda as well as other Islamic groups because he saw them as a threat to his power. It was a secular state, that's a fact.

I agree, though, that the Ba'ath Party was/is secular, but the country itself was secular in name only.

And Saddam did detest certain religious groups, not because of their religious ideas, but because as you said, he saw them as a threat to his power.

Jason Tate 03/20/12 11:28 AM

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Originally Posted by SmeezyBeezy (Post 105030572)
Is that site really worthy of a news post? It was just a blog...

For the information contained within - yes.

fna4 03/20/12 11:28 AM

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Originally Posted by Meeze (Post 105032082)
Go ahead, explain to me the overwhelming progressive nature of any Middle Eastern state. Oh, I heard Saudi Arabia is letting women drive now. Damn hippies.

Never mind that the only reason the Saudi Arabian dictatorship clings to power is the billions in weapons and aid we give them every year. There are many reasons for the Middle East and much of Africa being the way they are, namely centuries of colonialism and imperialism. For all our pasts president's talk of promoting freedom we gave billions to prop up dictatorships in Egypt, Tunisia, Yemen, Saudi Arabia, Bahrain etc. As the Arab Spring showed their is a growing hunger for democracy and equality among the youth of the Middle East and if we help promote it instead of supporting dictators that suppress it that could bode very well for the region and our own interests as well.