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Jason Tate 04/23/12 10:40 AM

Fans Report In: Tigers Jaw
 
Fans report in: At the Road to Ruin Festival in Philadelphia Tigers Jaw performed as a four piece (minus Ben Walsh). The entire set was extremely awkward and guitarist Adam McIlwee commented, "If he doesn't show up, he is a coward" at the beginning of the set. We've reached out for comment and will update this post if we hear anything.

Update: The label has said that Ben was not there "probably because of school." Scratch that: At a wedding.

Update #2: The band has posted the following message on Tumblr. We're idiots and we apologize for clearing up all those rumors that were all over twitter and whatnot.
From the Tumblogben was at a wedding on saturday, so we played our saturday show in philadelphia without him. before we played, i called out CHIKARA wrestler and dirtbag chuck taylor, stating he’d be a coward if he didn’t show up before the end of our set to let me give him an omega driver off the stage or something. i think the only comment i made about ben not being there was that we were down a person that day. that’s it. “news websites”///idiots ran a story stating that i called ben a coward if he didn’t show up, then played an awkward set. neither actually happened.
of course, none of these websites asked us for a comment, and we heard nothing about this until the “reports” were posted online.
“FACT”: i didn’t say anything these websites said.
“FACT”: i would never disclose personal///band-related issues on stage or ANYWHERE until we agreed upon it with a blood oath - something no music website will ever see or be allowed to report on, since it’s none of their business in the first place.
“FACT”: without ben, tigers jaw is dead.
“FACT”: if any of these websites want to interview ME (wiccaphase@gmail.com) about what i might have said all weekend, i’ll gladly respond and put yr shit to rest.
k?


WakeUpBlondie 04/23/12 10:42 AM

I wonder if the dangerous summer had anything to do with it.

Sam DeBurns Red 04/23/12 10:42 AM

Lol wut. In what way was it awkward?

phillycheese37 04/23/12 10:44 AM

Well that fucking sucks. Standing by for more information.

Taniam 04/23/12 10:46 AM

This is a sub-par development

Meeze 04/23/12 10:47 AM

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Originally Posted by WakeUpBlondie (Post 106808082)
I wonder if the dangerous summer had anything to do with it.

Can their divisive abilities really travel across the Atlantic?

brandon_260 04/23/12 10:51 AM

Was that the set that was live streamed yesterday? They sounded really off/bad during that performance.

Edit: Can't be that show, all 5 of them were there.

thesollopsist 04/23/12 10:52 AM

Sounds weird.

StephenYoung 04/23/12 11:01 AM

Wait, an emo band was awkward on stage?

Oh shit.

Thomas Nassiff 04/23/12 11:01 AM

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Originally Posted by Taniam (Post 106808412)
This is a sub-par development

hahahahaha

thisisntworking 04/23/12 11:02 AM

Really good journalism here. Ben has not quit Tigers Jaw.

irthesteve 04/23/12 11:03 AM

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Originally Posted by thisisntworking (Post 106809472)
Really good journalism here. Ben has not quit Tigers Jaw.

no one said he did.

Brandon Allin 04/23/12 11:04 AM

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Originally Posted by thisisntworking (Post 106809472)
Really good journalism here. Ben has not quit Tigers Jaw.

Yes, because that's exactly what the post said.

Jason Tate 04/23/12 11:05 AM

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Originally Posted by thisisntworking (Post 106809472)
Really good journalism here. Ben has not quit Tigers Jaw.

Where did anyone say he did?

thisisntworking 04/23/12 11:08 AM

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Originally Posted by Jason Tate (Post 106809662)
Where did anyone say he did?

Sorry, those were two separate thoughts. To me, posting random thoughts from "fans" seems like a cheap way to instigate rumors.

There is no issue with the band, there's nothing to report, they played a show without one of their members and one of them made a joke about it.

jon. 04/23/12 11:08 AM

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Originally Posted by Sam DeBurns Red (Post 106808122)
Lol wut. In what way was it awkward?

Because it's supposed to be a 5 piece band...

thisisntworking 04/23/12 11:09 AM

Breaking news: Ben was at a wedding.

Jason Tate 04/23/12 11:11 AM

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Originally Posted by thisisntworking (Post 106809842)
Sorry, those were two separate thoughts. To me, posting random thoughts from "fans" seems like a cheap way to instigate rumors.

There is no issue with the band, there's nothing to report, they played a show without one of their members and one of them made a joke about it.

Nah, bands playing without a member and calling said member a coward for not being there seems like a "cheap way to instigate rumors."

That's exactly what we posted.

Christian Wagner 04/23/12 11:12 AM

Marywood has just made AP.net!!

Holly HoX! 04/23/12 11:12 AM

Haha wow.

oldwirehands 04/23/12 11:14 AM

Was that comment said into the mic, or did someone just overhear that being said?

thisisntworking 04/23/12 11:20 AM

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Originally Posted by Jason Tate (Post 106810062)
Nah, bands playing without a member and calling said member a coward for not being there seems like a "cheap way to instigate rumors."

That's exactly what we posted.

This whole new trend of sites posting "news" from tweets, word of mouth, aim conversations, tumblr questions, 'fans' writing in, etc only annoys the people the 'news' is about because 99% of the time there is absolutely no weight behind what's being posted. Adam jokingly called his bandmate a coward because he was at a wedding instead of playing the show. I imagine most people understood it was a joke, but when its taken out of the context of the show and emailed by someone desperate to get their news posted on Absolutepunk it becomes something completely different and unnecessary.

hiya 04/23/12 11:23 AM

I feel like you have to know how a band operates before you jump to assumptions. Pretty sure TJ has played without members before, and just from around you can tell Adam has a unique sense of humor. The way this was posted makes it seem malicious.

lp670sv 04/23/12 11:26 AM

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Originally Posted by thisisntworking (Post 106810782)
This whole new trend of sites posting "news" from tweets, word of mouth, aim conversations, tumblr questions, 'fans' writing in, etc only annoys the people the 'news' is about because 99% of the time there is absolutely no weight behind what's being posted. Adam jokingly called his bandmate a coward because he was at a wedding instead of playing the show. I imagine most people understood it was a joke, but when its taken out of the context of the show and emailed by someone desperate to get their news posted on Absolutepunk it becomes something completely different and unnecessary.

You also have to understand that Jason did not have the context and inflection of voice to go off of, you can't tell something is a joke without those things. If someone emails him and says that a member of a band was not at a show and another member called him a coward for not being there he has no way of knowing that it was a joke because the person telling him what happened didn't say it was.

As for the annoyance with the trend of how news gets found, I agree with you there but there isn't a whole lot we can do about it. It's all part of trying to be the "first" to break stories and it's not going to go away until the internet disappears.

Mr. November 04/23/12 11:27 AM

no one made any assumptions you dumb fucks, it says "Fans Report In" and that they have reached out for comment. Jason never said omg TIgerz Jaw is breakIng uP!?!?!??@?!

Jason Tate 04/23/12 11:27 AM

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Originally Posted by thisisntworking (Post 106810782)
This whole new trend of sites posting "news" from tweets, word of mouth, aim conversations, tumblr questions, 'fans' writing in, etc only annoys the people the 'news' is about because 99% of the time there is absolutely no weight behind what's being posted.

How do you think most news is posted in the world? Word of mouth is a pretty damn common thread throughout history when it comes to what news constitutes. Actual words from the band's mouth is news ... a band member not being at the show ... is news.

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Originally Posted by thisisntworking (Post 106810782)
Adam jokingly called his bandmate a coward because he was at a wedding instead of playing the show. I imagine most people understood it was a joke, but when its taken out of the context of the show and emailed by someone desperate to get their news posted on Absolutepunk it becomes something completely different and unnecessary.

Or maybe other people in the venue didn't take it as "a joke" and were also worried, and thanks to us we cleared it all up and now everyone knows. You're welcome for that, by the way. In less than 5 minutes the entire story was out there ... that's because process journalism works.

thisisntworking 04/23/12 11:27 AM

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Originally Posted by lp670sv (Post 106811142)
You also have to understand that Jason did not have the context and inflection of voice to go off of, you can't tell something is a joke without those things. If someone emails him and says that a member of a band was not at a show and another member called him a coward for not being there he has no way of knowing that it was a joke because the person telling him what happened didn't say it was.


Everything you just said is why a music news site shouldn't post this as news.

Jason Tate 04/23/12 11:28 AM

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Originally Posted by hiya (Post 106811022)
I feel like you have to know how a band operates before you jump to assumptions. Pretty sure TJ has played without members before, and just from around you can tell Adam has a unique sense of humor. The way this was posted makes it seem malicious.

Malicious? Seriously?

_veges_ 04/23/12 11:30 AM

:popcorn:

Jason Tate 04/23/12 11:30 AM

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Originally Posted by thisisntworking (Post 106811242)
Everything you just said is why a music news site shouldn't post this as news.

I'll remember that next time one of your bands sends in a press release and I can't tell the inflection from the interns writing.

:rolleyes:

You're getting mighty bent out of shape over something that was clarified within 5 minutes and answered questions for a lot of fans. The clarification was obviously needed.

Jaytothesyg 04/23/12 11:30 AM

I saw them play without Adam because he was at a Wedding. They pulled it off really well

But if one of the members of this band left I'd be so upset. They're all so awesome

hiya 04/23/12 11:30 AM

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Originally Posted by Jason Tate (Post 106811302)
Malicious? Seriously?


not you being malicious, what Adam said. maybe that was a strong word choice.

thisisntworking 04/23/12 11:31 AM

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Originally Posted by Jason Tate (Post 106811382)
I'll remember that next time one of your bands sends in a press release and I can't tell the inflection from the interns writing.

:rolleyes:

You're getting mighty bent out of shape over something that was clarified within 5 minutes and answered questions for a lot of fans.

Because news coming from a random kid at a show is the same as an official press release from the band/label.

lp670sv 04/23/12 11:31 AM

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Originally Posted by thisisntworking (Post 106811242)
Everything you just said is why a music news site shouldn't post this as news.

The "fans report in" headline is the AP.net equivalent of "This a rumor. We're looking in to it, but we just wanted you to know that this rumor is going around.

thisisntworking 04/23/12 11:33 AM

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Originally Posted by lp670sv (Post 106811462)
The "fans report in" headline is the AP.net equivalent of "This a rumor. We're looking in to it, but we just wanted you to know that this rumor is going around.

Yes, I understand that.

thisisntworking 04/23/12 11:34 AM

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Originally Posted by lp670sv (Post 106811552)
Are you familiar with Cody Payne?

Yeah, great guy :wave:

Mr. November 04/23/12 11:34 AM

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Originally Posted by thisisntworking (Post 106811542)
Yes, I understand that.

so you're in here just trying to start fights and make yourself look like dumbass?

cubsml34 04/23/12 11:35 AM

Obligatory can't we all just get along post.

thisisntworking 04/23/12 11:36 AM

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Originally Posted by Derka Derka (Post 106811632)
so you're in here just trying to start fights and make yourself look like dumbass?

Nope, just here to clear the air that this "rumor" perpetuated by one person holds no weight.

lp670sv 04/23/12 11:37 AM

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Originally Posted by thisisntworking (Post 106811712)
Nope, just here to clear the air that this "rumor" perpetuated by one person holds no weight.

It was already cleared up.

Mr. November 04/23/12 11:38 AM

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Originally Posted by thisisntworking (Post 106811712)
Nope, just here to clear the air that this "rumor" perpetuated by one person holds no weight.

and then attacking Jason and saying this shouldn't be posted as news, when you even stated that you understand that Jason didn't make assumptions about this situation and saying that you even understand the point of this newspost, that was just you trying to clear up this rumor?

brandon_260 04/23/12 11:38 AM

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Originally Posted by Jaytothesyg (Post 106811392)
I saw them play without Adam because he was at a Wedding. They pulled it off really well

But if one of the members of this band left I'd be so upset. They're all so awesome

Seriously. Ithink I actually prefer Ben's vocals to Adam's lately too.

lp670sv 04/23/12 11:38 AM

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Originally Posted by thisisntworking (Post 106811602)
Yeah, great guy :wave:

Personally I have no problem with the dude but thats an exact case of something coming from the bands mouth that was meant to be sarcastic but you can't convey in emails so it was taken seriously.

thisisntworking 04/23/12 11:40 AM

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Originally Posted by Derka Derka (Post 106811862)
and then attacking Jason and saying this shouldn't be posted as news, when you even stated that you understand that Jason didn't make assumptions about this situation and saying that you even understand the point of this newspost, that was just you trying to clear up this rumor?

I definitely didn't attack Jason...but it isn't news. And it's not even a rumor. For all anyone in this post knows, ONE person believed this to be true. That doesn't constitute a rumor.

Jason Tate 04/23/12 11:40 AM

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Originally Posted by thisisntworking (Post 106811432)
Because news coming from a random kid at a show is the same as an official press release from the band/label.

I look at both quite similarly. Multiple people messaging me direct quotes is as news worthy as a press release. In fact, I'd prefer un-PR-fed-filtered news.

Mr. November 04/23/12 11:41 AM

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Originally Posted by thisisntworking (Post 106811982)
I definitely didn't attack Jason...but it isn't news. And it's not even a rumor. For all anyone in this post knows, ONE person believed this to be true. That doesn't constitute a rumor.

lol almost everyone commenting on this seems to disagree with ya buddy

thisisntworking 04/23/12 11:43 AM

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Originally Posted by Jason Tate (Post 106812022)
I look at both quite similarly. Multiple people messaging me direct quotes is as news worthy as a press release. In fact, I'd prefer un-PR-fed-filtered news.

The difference is, one you can assume is true...

Jason Tate 04/23/12 11:44 AM

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Originally Posted by thisisntworking (Post 106811982)
I definitely didn't attack Jason...but it isn't news. And it's not even a rumor. For all anyone in this post knows, ONE person believed this to be true. That doesn't constitute a rumor.

By the same argument: For all anyone in this post knows, every person in the audience believed this to be true.

TheRealJohnOC 04/23/12 11:44 AM

I was really having a shitty day but this thread made me calm down a bit. Thanks!

Jaytothesyg 04/23/12 11:45 AM

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Originally Posted by brandon_260 (Post 106811882)
Seriously. Ithink I actually prefer Ben's vocals to Adam's lately too.


Ben and Briana compliment each other so well. I like Adams songs a lot but I think them together kill it