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DylanPPPP 11/19/12 09:39 AM

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Originally Posted by ZachMadeMeOdd (Post 115557432)
You're not alone. (No pun intended). I don't care for this guys high pitched whine at all. And honestly, anyone trying to call Saosin irrelevant and DGD great has a misconstrued vision of talent. Aside from Will and Jonny, everyone else involved with that band were/are sub-par musicians. And they will never reach a level that Saosin hit even if now they aren't as big.


Really, the hype behind this guy is too much.

Saosin is irrelevant right now though. You contradicted yourself.

Plus, talent has nothing to do with relevancy anyway.

Mattylikesfilms 11/19/12 09:47 AM

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Originally Posted by TorontoMatt (Post 115553602)
It's like having Jag from a skylit drive sing for DGD...


Yeah it's too high pitched for DGD. I would have much preferred Matt Guise from Lower Definition (since Kurt would never come back sadly). They offered the gig to him but he turned it down. Whackness.

Speaking of which, what's Jonnys next move?

ZachMadeMeOdd 11/19/12 09:59 AM

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Originally Posted by DylanPPPP (Post 115558382)
Saosin is irrelevant right now though. You contradicted yourself.

Plus, talent has nothing to do with relevancy anyway.


Irrelevant to who? 16 year olds who think DGD is the only band in existence because they dish out albums within every 2 years? I see more demands for new Saosin than I do this band.


But when the day comes, I wouldn't prefer Tilian on their new album anyways.

Micah511 11/19/12 10:01 AM



this video of lemon meringue tie proves that tilian is better at singing Jonny songs than Jonny himself.. He kills it. He can also write a catchy vocal melody, which Jonny hasn't done since the first dtbm. Tilian with dgd and Kurt with allb is great for the scene. I've recently understood that dgd with Kurt was way better than dgd without him, so if they can't get him back, tilian is the next best thing.

DylanPPPP 11/19/12 10:12 AM

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Originally Posted by ZachMadeMeOdd (Post 115558802)
Irrelevant to who? 16 year olds who think DGD is the only band in existence because they dish out albums within every 2 years? I see more demands for new Saosin than I do this band.


But when the day comes, I wouldn't prefer Tilian on their new album anyways.

To everyone. They haven't released material in 3 years and haven't been been touring at all recently either. It's a mystery whether they even have a vocalist or not and very few new things come out of their camp as far as news. That's pretty irrelevant to me.

Your Milkshake 11/19/12 10:18 AM

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Originally Posted by ZachMadeMeOdd (Post 115558802)
Irrelevant to who? 16 year olds who think DGD is the only band in existence because they dish out albums within every 2 years? I see more demands for new Saosin than I do this band.


But when the day comes, I wouldn't prefer Tilian on their new album anyways.


Both of Saosin's full lengths are SO BLAND... Fans reactions and critical reception has not been kind to them. There is an overwhelming argument for their irrelevancy. And yes I know Translating and even the subsequent ep were legendary.

Im not replying to your comments on dgd because i dont necessarily agree/disagree with them. At least even if I or anyone else hated any dgd song, no one could ever accuse them of being boring or indistinguishable from any other bands.

sordanj 11/19/12 10:26 AM

Tillian is one of my favorite singers, still waiting on his pop solo album. I think Tillian did better than Jonny in Emarosa and I think he'll be better than Jonny in DGD. But then again I really only liked the Kurt DGD albums (happiness + zach garren ftw).

It's sad that Tilian is such a talented singer and he'll be sharing vocal duties with the obnoxiously horrible Jon Mess. I know some people love him for whatever reason but I can't stand screaming in general, let alone his scratchy harshness and incoherent lyrical style.

ChaseTx 11/19/12 10:40 AM

Saosin was never that good anyway. I liked their s/t ok, nothing I'd listen to now. DGD's 2nd and 3rd albums are something I listen to at least once a month, and the Jonny albums are good too (though not as much depth).

lol @ "the only talented members are Jonny & Will". Soooo the guy who writes all of the music is the only talented one? ok.

Skinny blaque 11/19/12 10:44 AM

Honestly, Tilian has more range than Jonny, Jonny has more of a raspy type of voice with a nice range to it, but honestly Tilian presents more versatility because he can cover Kurt's parts spot on and Jonny's too so everyone BITCHIN about this and that Tilian is probrably the best of both worlds hell at least give the guy a chance, I'm sure the next dgd album will be the best they could do and honestly dgd has top tier musicians in that band anyone who thinks differently probrably likes we came as Romans or Saosin with out Anthony Green, to say cove rober sings better than tilian is just a bullshitter if that was the case he'd still be in Saosin and they'd still be making music but look where they are at!

Dgd is gonna explode if everything goes right

George_mm 11/19/12 11:05 AM

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Originally Posted by sordanj (Post 115559632)
Tillian is one of my favorite singers, still waiting on his pop solo album. I think Tillian did better than Jonny in Emarosa and I think he'll be better than Jonny in DGD. But then again I really only liked the Kurt DGD albums (happiness + zach garren ftw).

It's sad that Tilian is such a talented singer and he'll be sharing vocal duties with the obnoxiously horrible Jon Mess. I know some people love him for whatever reason but I can't stand screaming in general, let alone his scratchy harshness and incoherent lyrical style.

I will never understand how people think Jon Mess is good

ChaseTx 11/19/12 11:06 AM

He's an acquired taste.

bobsheiskawy 11/19/12 11:08 AM

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Originally Posted by Micah511 (Post 115558862)
He can also write a catchy vocal melody, which Jonny hasn't done since the first dtbm

spoken like someone who's never listened to emarosa or jonny's solo work.

Micah511 11/19/12 11:14 AM

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Originally Posted by bobsheiskawy (Post 115561602)
spoken like someone who's never listened to emarosa or jonny's solo work.

hilarious, because ive listened to all of it. i used to be a jonny fanboy. look, i like emarosa, but their entire first album has 2-3 maybe memorable vocal melodies. a melody is different than having a great voice. hes just not that good at writing catchy songs. it got a little better on the second album, but that might be due to emarosa dumbing down the instruments to make it easier to write melodies. Solo material? The best song of his solo career was one written with the guys from Closure in Moscow. DGD's DTBMII does not have a single memorable chorus, which is why i say the albums with kurt are better. he might not be as talented of a singer, but i can remember every hook of every song he sang with DGD, which is way more than i can say for jonny.

ZachMadeMeOdd 11/19/12 11:40 AM

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Originally Posted by Your Milkshake (Post 115559362)
Both of Saosin's full lengths are SO BLAND... Fans reactions and critical reception has not been kind to them. There is an overwhelming argument for their irrelevancy. And yes I know Translating and even the subsequent ep were legendary.

Im not replying to your comments on dgd because i dont necessarily agree/disagree with them. At least even if I or anyone else hated any dgd song, no one could ever accuse them of being boring or indistinguishable from any other bands.


Their newest full length absolutely fell short of what that band is capable of, mostly due to a poor performance from Cove. But to say their first full length with him was bland is insulting. The song structuring and vocals on that album far surpass anything DGD has done, and it's sold better as well. Saosin has a much wider fan base thanks to that album and everything they did with Anthony before that is untouchable.


It takes more than a flashy guitarist and a ginger singing about bitches to be considered a great band in my eyes.

Micah511 11/19/12 11:42 AM

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Originally Posted by ZachMadeMeOdd (Post 115563952)
Their newest full length absolutely fell short of what that band is capable of, mostly due to a poor performance from Cove. But to say their first full length with him was bland is insulting. The song structuring and vocals on that album far surpass anything DGD has done, and it's sold better as well. Saosin has a much wider fan base thanks to that album and everything they did with Anthony before that is untouchable.


It takes more than a flashy guitarist and a ginger singing about bitches to be considered a great band in my eyes.

dance gavin dance are great in my book because of songs like carl barker, dont tell dave, and uneasy hearts weigh the most. if jonny dgd is all youve listened to, kurt dgd is rather refreshing.

ZachMadeMeOdd 11/19/12 11:44 AM

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Originally Posted by George_mm (Post 115561392)
I will never understand how people think Jon Mess is good


Agreed. The fact that he doesn't even really have a scream, but more so just a rasp noise, and his lyrics which don't really ever make sense.. The dude really isn't even a vocalist.

I even recall him saying once that he laughed at a fan for getting his lyrics tattoo'd because the fans read the stuff and think its gold on paper when none of it is serious.

PandaBear! 11/19/12 11:57 AM

I can see it sound a lot like DBM1 music-wise, with lots of spacey, delay-heavy guitars 'cause thats what suits Tillians voice imo. High hopes right here, as DGD haven't disappointed me yet!

Skinny blaque 11/19/12 12:20 PM

Jon Mess is the shit better and more unique than the majority of the screamers in the scene as far as originality goes

Djentleman 11/19/12 12:26 PM

"dance gavin dance"

not DGD without Jonny Craig. break up already, frauds

ZachMadeMeOdd 11/19/12 12:29 PM

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Originally Posted by Micah511 (Post 115564092)
dance gavin dance are great in my book because of songs like carl barker, dont tell dave, and uneasy hearts weigh the most. if jonny dgd is all youve listened to, kurt dgd is rather refreshing.


I do listen to some of their stuff still. I won't say that I don't like all of their work, and Kurt on record did well. Though his live show wasn't that great.

_veges_ 11/19/12 12:30 PM

I'm actually excited to listen to a DGD album now. Is that weird?

pepster50 11/19/12 12:52 PM

dont get the hate for DBM2. Loved all the albums but that was probably my favorite. Only thing that i though wasn't as good as past releases was the drums. Guitarwork was amazing on DBM2.

Your Milkshake 11/19/12 12:56 PM

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Originally Posted by ZachMadeMeOdd (Post 115563952)
Their newest full length absolutely fell short of what that band is capable of, mostly due to a poor performance from Cove. But to say their first full length with him was bland is insulting. The song structuring and vocals on that album far surpass anything DGD has done, and it's sold better as well. Saosin has a much wider fan base thanks to that album and everything they did with Anthony before that is untouchable.


It takes more than a flashy guitarist and a ginger singing about bitches to be considered a great band in my eyes.


I myself like almost half of that album well enough. I dont think its a stretch to call a good chunk of that album bland though. Im not trying to discredit Saosin at all, theyve progressed post hardcore and alternative music as we know it. I am a fan in the end and used to call them one of my favorite bands but pretty much all of their fanbase knows that theres been a dip in quality for the longest time with them. Just go to the saoboards and take a look around.

tldr; Saosin is an important band but no one expects them to return in all their former glory. Therefore, the possibility of new material surfacing is arguably irrelevant because of their recent track record.

cubsml34 11/19/12 01:11 PM

Next best option to Tillian going back to Tides of Man, which is the only thing I want for Christmas.

bobsheiskawy 11/19/12 01:34 PM

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Originally Posted by Micah511 (Post 115562002)
hilarious, because ive listened to all of it. i used to be a jonny fanboy. look, i like emarosa, but their entire first album has 2-3 maybe memorable vocal melodies. a melody is different than having a great voice. hes just not that good at writing catchy songs. it got a little better on the second album, but that might be due to emarosa dumbing down the instruments to make it easier to write melodies. Solo material? The best song of his solo career was one written with the guys from Closure in Moscow. DGD's DTBMII does not have a single memorable chorus, which is why i say the albums with kurt are better. he might not be as talented of a singer, but i can remember every hook of every song he sang with DGD, which is way more than i can say for jonny.

i think the second emarosa album is way better than anything dance gavin dance has ever released.

sickydicky 11/19/12 01:54 PM

where is the article or whatever this news came from?

Your Milkshake 11/19/12 01:56 PM

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Originally Posted by bobsheiskawy (Post 115571602)
i think the second emarosa album is way better than anything dance gavin dance has ever released.


Emarosa isnt very memorable. Especially the self titled record.

sordanj 11/19/12 02:46 PM

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Originally Posted by sickydicky (Post 115572402)
where is the article or whatever this news came from?

I believe the news came from Tilian's personal facebook page.

Micah511 11/19/12 05:30 PM

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Originally Posted by sickydicky (Post 115572402)
where is the article or whatever this news came from?

I saw it on tilians twitter.

thesollopsist 11/19/12 11:02 PM

Ok then.

rva12 11/21/12 09:51 PM

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Originally Posted by ZachMadeMeOdd (Post 115564292)
Agreed. The fact that he doesn't even really have a scream, but more so just a rasp noise, and his lyrics which don't really ever make sense.. The dude really isn't even a vocalist.

I even recall him saying once that he laughed at a fan for getting his lyrics tattoo'd because the fans read the stuff and think its gold on paper when none of it is serious.


Jon's lyrics haven't always been that way. He's always been cryptic, but his lines were far from the the sillyness of the latest album. I love Mess but I think of his lyrics in DTBM2 as a cop-out and disappointment/

sickydicky 11/24/12 04:09 PM

stop talking shit on jon mess he plays a major roll in their awesomeness

WarmThoughts 11/25/12 08:12 AM

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Originally Posted by Your Milkshake (Post 115572532)
Emarosa isnt very memorable. Especially the self titled record.

This is exactly what i thought, I enjoyed it but none of the lyrics or choruses or anything got stuck in my head. They were fantastic live though as Jonny usually is.