[Genuma]

I still have faith after how consistent he was up until last year. I'm hoping that he is in a decline and we got out with minimal damage, but I could see him having a great bounce back year.

[bjam12]

Originally Posted by Genuma

we have to pay it regardless so I don't understand why we didn't just keep Zambrano. I'm not aware how long Volstad is under contract, but I can assume that Zambranos going to have a better year than him.

2012 is a lost season for the Cubs. Why keep Zambrano?

Also the last two seasons...

[Genuma]

Originally Posted by bjam12

2012 is a lost season for the Cubs. Why keep Zambrano?

Also the last two seasons...

why not? this is basically like we're helping out the marlins. I don't really see your point with the stats, Zambrano missed pretty substantial time the last couple years explaining the less innings pitched and he's always had a fairly poor BB/9.

[ForlrnPerplxity]

Maybe that's all the Cubs could get, and I don't see a problem with the Cubs eating that money, but I don't really get why they would do that for Volstad.

[cshadows2887]

A really good read about the history of the BBWA and their HoF votes:

http://joeposnanski.si.com/2012/01/0...?sct=mlb_wr_a1

[cshadows2887]

One more interesting HoF note: Brad Radke, who will almost certainly fall off the ballot without garnering 5% of the vote, has a higher career bWAR (40.9) than Jack Morris (39.3), who got 53.5% of the vote last year.

[Until The Bombs]

Originally Posted by Genuma

we have to pay it regardless so I don't understand why we didn't just keep Zambrano. I'm not aware how long Volstad is under contract, but I can assume that Zambranos going to have a better year than him.

As an outsider, really seemed like one of those situations where they were either going to flat out cut him, or see if they could get something in return.

[Genuma]

Originally Posted by Until The Bombs

As an outsider, really seemed like one of those situations where they were either going to flat out cut him, or see if they could get something in return.

I guess if the organization was that unhappy with him. Going into the off season I was 100% sure he'd be dealt and pretty sure it would be to Ozzie and the Marlins, but the way Theo handled it seemed like he might end up staying.

[thejetstolehome]

Originally Posted by cshadows2887

One more interesting HoF note: Brad Radke, who will almost certainly fall off the ballot without garnering 5% of the vote, has a higher career bWAR (40.9) than Jack Morris (39.3), who got 53.5% of the vote last year.

Let me find some tweets I made the other day regarding Morris and that "best pitcher of the 80s" claim the writers like to make.

https://twitter.com/#!/mimbro1/statu...0360120643585:

Quote:

Pitchers worth more fWAR during the '80s than Jack Morris: Carlton, Valenzuela, Clemens, Steib, Blyleven, Ryan.

https://twitter.com/#!/mimbro1/statu...0416856993792:

Quote:

All of those pitchers pitched fewer innings than Jack Morris

https://twitter.com/#!/mimbro1/statu...1424655974400:

Quote:

42 pitchers in the '80s, with at least 1,000 IP, had a better ERA than Jack Morris.

https://twitter.com/#!/mimbro1/statu...1945223618560:

Quote:

In the 1980's, 66 pitchers w/at least 1,000 IP had a better FIP than Jack Morris.

[startBBtoday]

Originally Posted by cshadows2887

One more interesting HoF note: Brad Radke, who will almost certainly fall off the ballot without garnering 5% of the vote, has a higher career bWAR (40.9) than Jack Morris (39.3), who got 53.5% of the vote last year.

that's pretty great. six less seasons too and a considerably higher ERA+.

[thejetstolehome]

Jack Morris: 3824 IP; 105 ERA+; 97 FIP- ; 1.296 WHIP; 8.4 H/9; 0.9 HR/9; 3.3 BB/9; 5.8 K/9; 1.78 K/BB; 39.3 bWAR (avg. 2.2); 56.9 fWAR (avg. 3.1); two seasons of 5+ fWAR; one season of 5+ bWAR

Mystery Pitcher: 2840 IP; 105 ERA+; 88 FIP-; 1.249 WHIP; 8.8 H/9; 1.2 HR/9; 2.4 BB/9; 8.0 K/9; 3.32 K/BB; 39.4 bWAR (avg. 3.1); 55.2 fWAR (avg. 3.9); five seasons of 5+ fWAR; four seasons of 5+ bWAR

[startBBtoday]

Originally Posted by thejetstolehome

Jack Morris: 3824 IP; 105 ERA+; 97 FIP- ; 1.296 WHIP; 8.4 H/9; 0.9 HR/9; 3.3 BB/9; 5.8 K/9; 1.78 K/BB; 39.3 bWAR (avg. 2.2); 56.9 fWAR (avg. 3.1); two seasons of 5+ fWAR; one season of 5+ bWAR

Mystery Pitcher: 2840 IP; 105 ERA+; 88 FIP-; 1.249 WHIP; 8.8 H/9; 1.2 HR/9; 2.4 BB/9; 8.0 K/9; 3.32 K/BB; 39.4 bWAR (avg. 3.1); 55.2 fWAR (avg. 3.9); five seasons of 5+ fWAR; four seasons of 5+ bWAR

just looked it up, that's great.

[Scott Weber]

Originally Posted by startBBtoday

just looked it up, that's great.

ha - amazing.

[CubbyNick42]

Originally Posted by Genuma

we have to pay it regardless so I don't understand why we didn't just keep Zambrano. I'm not aware how long Volstad is under contract, but I can assume that Zambranos going to have a better year than him.

Because 2012 doesn't matter, dude. They got a player with potential to be part of the future for one who doesn't.

[Eich696]

Ryan Howard sure is going to miss facing volstad.