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This is the dumbest article I've ever read.

First, Is A Real Boy is their second album, From Under the Cork Tree their third, and They're Only Chasing Safety their third, too. Full Collapse is sophomore. So half the list doesn't count right off the bat! (I'm too lazy to Wikipedia it... is Ocean Avenue a debut? I feel like "No.")

Second, either your album is good or not. Only simpletons decide a record is bad merely in comparison to another record. The Green album would've sucked had it come out before Pinkerton. Same with Louder Now...

As regards Underoath, specifically, all three post-TOCS albums are better than TOCS. Disambiguation was met with praise by critics across the board.

Debut albums are debut albums.
You can't erase them and call your sophomore your debut.
That means you, Pete Wentz. And you, Max Bemis!

Originally Posted by ladedadada

This is the dumbest article I've ever read.

First, Is A Real Boy is their second album, From Under the Cork Tree their third, and They're Only Chasing Safety their third, too. Full Collapse is sophomore. So half the list doesn't count right off the bat! (I'm too lazy to Wikipedia it... is Ocean Avenue a debut? I feel like "No.")

Second, either your album is good or not. Only simpletons decide a record is bad merely in comparison to another record. The Green album would've sucked had it come out before Pinkerton. Same with Louder Now...

As regards Underoath, specifically, all three post-TOCS albums are better than TOCS. Disambiguation was met with praise by critics across the board.

The articles title shouldve been more clear, but then again you should have read the actual article more thoroughly.

What he means by "debut" is an album that put said bands on the map so to speak or albums released at the peak of a bands popularity, more commonly their major label debuts. You should have been able to deduce this.

Originally Posted by Adam Pfleider

you should re-read that statement. DTGL is my favorite OU record.

I wasn't say I disagreed with you

Originally Posted by CloseToShore

I'm just surprised that no one mentioned Thrice's "The Illusion of Safety" or "The Artist in the Ambulance".

I love them both, but to me, they're like Thursday, in how they continued to grow with each subsequent release. And I didn't want to hear "Play Deadbolt!" or "Play T & C!" 5000 times when I did see them.

Guess I could add Moving Mountains' "Pneuma" to this list as well.

Both these parts make me disagree strongly.

Originally Posted by fuldanips

Also, what about "Catch Without Arms?" That album was so much better than dredg's debut.

CWA was terrible. Everyone forgets dredg's debut wasn't El Cielo, it was Lietmotif.

Originally Posted by twyl

This.

OMG THIS

EDIT: It didn't quote, it was "Third. Eye. Blind."

btw Vheissu > (Artist in the Ambulance > Alchemy Index > Illusion of Safety > Beggars > Major/Minor)