Originally Posted by Thomas Nassiff

Hmm is it worth the free download and small amount of space on your hard drive? Who knows

You make a good point.

Originally Posted by Jason Tate

Big difference -- see: this video.

Already listened when you posted it earlier. It sounds like some people trying to make excuses for saying the n word. I didn't hear any arguments in there that I bought. Most hip-hop artists use the n word as a generic word for black people and not solely as a term of endearment, the way they try to say it is.

In addition I think OF's use of ****** makes some lines more gut-punching. There are moments on Bastard where Tyler uses it and his voice is practically acidic. It's like extreme gore in a horror movie, it makes your stomach turn a little but in a good way. When it works, it adds to the dark quality of the music (although it fails plenty).

Originally Posted by Jason Tate

Mr. "I don't write lyrics, I just ad-lib nonsense"?

/Attempting to hijack this thread with yet another completely irrelevant topic.

I'm confused. Did I say something another time within the last 3-4 years I've been on this site that is related to that?

And how does it relate to JC?

Originally Posted by cubine

Already listened when you posted it earlier. It sounds like some people trying to make excuses for saying the n word. I didn't hear any arguments in there that I bought. Most hip-hop artists use the n word as a generic word for black people and not solely as a term of endearment, the way they try to say it is.

In addition I think OF's use of ****** makes some lines more gut-punching. There are moments on Bastard where Tyler uses it and his voice is practically acidic. It's like extreme gore in a horror movie, it makes your stomach turn a little but in a good way. When it works, it adds to the dark quality of the music (although it fails plenty).

Well, they are some of the leading scholars on the topic -- so, I'll defer to their wisdom. I'm not going to even attempt trying to guess and paint generalities over what "most" hip-hop artists are trying to do.

And again, I don't think using a word with that kind of extreme negative history, used with such a negative connotation, does anything besides reinforce the idea that homosexuality is a negative quality and strengthen (and excuse) others that decide to use the word on a daily basis. Not to mention the kind of damage it does to those that are gay and have been called these kinds of names daily -- it simply compounds the idea that they are second class citizens and have done something wrong simply by being who they are.

Originally Posted by Spartan789013

I'm confused. Did I say something another time within the last 3-4 years I've been on this site that is related to that?

And how does it relate to JC?

He doesn't write lyrics - he just makes them up when he's in the recording booth.

Originally Posted by Jason Tate

Because I've always been the kind of person that says what I'm feeling. Sometimes what I'm feeling isn't "nice." I'm not asking for everyone to agree with me when I say Spider-Man 3 is a fucking awful movie, and I'm not asking for it when I say I don't like a certain band or album. I'm simply stating my personal feelings on something. If all I ever did was talk about what I did like -- then there would be no basis for comparison. You'd only be getting one side of my personality and musical taste.

I don't think that's very authentic. I don't think that you can really trust a 'yes-man.'

I don't cook 5-star dinners either ... but I still have an opinion on food. The idea that one needs to be better at something in order to offer their thoughts on it, makes no sense to me. That said: I've made something to be judged. You're using it.

I don't think you should withhold criticism but a lot of the time I see you post negative things it's consistently in a way that looks like you're just outright trying to be mean. It's easy to look at a mainstream piece of media like Spider-Man 3 and say "Oh, that sucks" because 1, it's got such a large team behind it that it's not really a personal attack, and 2, it's so widely known that an individual opinion is pretty insignificant. When you're talking about a small independent release like this, though, you're one of only a few people commenting on it and things stand out more. I disagree with the notion that "if you don't have something nice to say don't say anything" but from what I've seen on this website you could stand to be less insulting with your criticism of tiny projects like this. If someone I knew posted solo material on facebook, I wouldn't comment "this isn't good," I would maybe tell them my thoughts on it privately to help them improve. Criticism should be a tool to help people fix what's wrong with their art, not an outlet to bash it.

Obviously it's your website though, so you're gonna do what you will.

This is like the best thread ever.

Originally Posted by cubine

I don't think you should withhold criticism but a lot of the time I see you post negative things it's consistently in a way that looks like you're just outright trying to be mean.

I'm not.

Quote:

It's easy to look at a mainstream piece of media like Spider-Man 3 and say "Oh, that sucks" because 1, it's got such a large team behind it that it's not really a personal attack, and 2, it's so widely known that an individual opinion is pretty insignificant. When you're talking about a small independent release like this, though, you're one of only a few people commenting on it and things stand out more.

I don't see any difference. If you put something out into the world -- you're asking for comments on it. If you don't want anyone to hear it and say what they think on it -- why would you release it?

Quote:

I disagree with the notion that "if you don't have something nice to say don't say anything" but from what I've seen on this website you could stand to be less insulting with your criticism of tiny projects like this.

That was me being less insulting because I really like TWY.

Quote:

If someone I knew posted solo material on facebook, I wouldn't comment "this isn't good," I would maybe tell them my thoughts on it privately to help them improve. Criticism should be a tool to help people fix what's wrong with their art, not an outlet to bash it.

I don't really know Nick personally though. Don't think he really cares about my thoughts one way or the other anyway.

Originally Posted by Jason Tate

I'm not.

I don't see any difference. If you put something out into the world -- you're asking for comments on it. If you don't want anyone to hear it and say what they think on it -- why would you release it?

That was me being less insulting because I really like TWY.

I don't really know Nick personally though. Don't think he really cares about my thoughts one way or the other anyway.

Fair enough.

Originally Posted by nicksteinborn

If you go into it expecting iioi, you will probably be let down. It's 4/4 rock and roll.

I actually meant that as a good thing--I really enjoyed IIOI and if this sounded like it I'd be excited for it. Not to say if it doesn't I won't be either.

I was just trying to get a gauge on what it was like so I could figure out my priority of listening to it.

Originally Posted by UnderMyDreams

This is like the best thread ever.

Originally Posted by Jason Tate

He doesn't write lyrics - he just makes them up when he's in the recording booth.

I feel stupid. I'm sorry, Jason. I've failed you.

Originally Posted by Spartan789013

I feel stupid. I'm sorry, Jason. I've failed you.

I still love you

I'm always too late to post on threads like this.

By the way I like the EP.

Originally Posted by runningohfive

I'm always too late to post on threads like this.

By the way I like the EP.

your about 500 comments late