[Dustin Harkins]

Originally Posted by suicidesaints

Actually Pres. Bush has EVERYTHING to gain from something like 9/11. He was able to pronounce a "War on Terror" and instill fear into the hearts of every American citizen. With this fear he was able to pass legislation like The Patriot Act and FISA which take away our Constitutional rights and allow the government to have more and more control over its citizens. He was able precipitate a war and further his families agenda to create a New World Order... and don't think that the term "New World Order" is some conspiracy theorist crazy talk... both GWB and his dad have expressed quite publically that they would like a NWO.

The government has plenty to gain from it. Former President Bush has nothing to gain from it. He didn't have to instill fear into our citizens, it already happened from 9/11. He could've never declared a War on Terror and there'd still be fear. But in the same manner, this War On Terror plummeted his approval ratings. It made him look like a failure and a joke to America. Bush is no more than a meme now. And before this debate comes up, his war on Iraq was basically required in the treaty post-Persian Gulf War when Hussein denied access for America's search; whether or not there were WMDs, America had signed up for the responsibility of that war long before it happened. The possibility of WMDs was brought up solely to get the less intelligent to back the decision that was already agreed upon years ago.

As for a NWO, I really want to know what the government's idea of a NWO would be.

[suicidesaints]

Originally Posted by magicrat85

Again post proof that either one of them said this.

Bush gained nothing from 9-11. Was the patriot act thought of before 9-11?

YES! The patriot act was thought of before 9/11 - A lot of conspiracy theorists will claim that it was written 20 years before 9/11. I don't agree with that but I do know that a version of it was written well before 9/11 - The document was signed 6 weeks after 9/11... do you really think they could have written that much legislation in 6 weeks? I takes years for most acts similar to it to be written. There are numerous interviews and speeches in which the Bush's say they want a NWO.

I am at work once again so I can't view some of these sources or view the YouTube video to be sure that it is the one that I am specifically wanting to refer to, but these should be starting points...

http://www.al-bab.com/arab/docs/pal/pal10.htm
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6B9U_RvbnsA

[suicidesaints]

Originally Posted by Dustin Harkins

The government has plenty to gain from it. Former President Bush has nothing to gain from it. He didn't have to instill fear into our citizens, it already happened from 9/11. He could've never declared a War on Terror and there'd still be fear. But in the same manner, this War On Terror plummeted his approval ratings. It made him look like a failure and a joke to America. Bush is no more than a meme now. And before this debate comes up, his war on Iraq was basically required in the treaty post-Persian Gulf War when Hussein denied access for America's search; whether or not there were WMDs, America had signed up for the responsibility of that war long before it happened. The possibility of WMDs was brought up solely to get the less intelligent to back the decision that was already agreed upon years ago.

As for a NWO, I really want to know what the government's idea of a NWO would be.

You say that GWB didn't need to instill fear, because that already happened from 9/11 - EXACTLY! That's part of the motive as to why the government would be in on 9/11

[Dustin Harkins]

Originally Posted by suicidesaints

You say that GWB didn't need to instill fear, because that already happened from 9/11 - EXACTLY! That's part of the motive as to why the government would be in on 9/11

There's clearly motive. I just don't believe they did it themselves. Do I believe that they knew about 9/11 in advance? Yes I do. Do I believe they didn't do everything they could to stop it? Yes. Do I believe they took full advantage of it? Yes. But I don't think they orchestrated it.

[suicidesaints]

Originally Posted by Dustin Harkins

There's clearly motive. I just don't believe they did it themselves. Do I believe that they knew about 9/11 in advance? Yes I do. Do I believe they didn't do everything they could to stop it? Yes. Do I believe they took full advantage of it? Yes. But I don't think they orchestrated it.

Fine. That's all I'm really saying to begin with. I say the words, "911 was an inside job" and everyone labels me as crazy, but when we finally start looking at things people start agreeing with me. If the govt. knew about 9/11 ahead of time and did nothing to stop it, allowing 3000 people to die and 100s of thousands more to die in the following war... AND you agree that they had plenty of motive, then how can you say it's not an inside job

[Dustin Harkins]

Originally Posted by suicidesaints

Fine. That's all I'm really saying to begin with. I say the words, "911 was an inside job" and everyone labels me as crazy, but when we finally start looking at things people start agreeing with me. If the govt. knew about 9/11 ahead of time and did nothing to stop it, allowing 3000 people to die and 100s of thousands more to die in the following war... AND you agree that they had plenty of motive, then how can you say it's not an inside job

I can say it's not an inside job because it's not something they orchestrated, it's a situation they took advantage of. They saw it coming and rode it out. It's like saying Taylor Swift planned for Kanye to interrupt her at the VMAs. She was able to see him coming up to the stage, she took full advantage of it from the media once it was done, but she didn't plan it herself.

[magicrat85]

Originally Posted by suicidesaints

Fine. That's all I'm really saying to begin with. I say the words, "911 was an inside job" and everyone labels me as crazy, but when we finally start looking at things people start agreeing with me. If the govt. knew about 9/11 ahead of time and did nothing to stop it, allowing 3000 people to die and 100s of thousands more to die in the following war... AND you agree that they had plenty of motive, then how can you say it's not an inside job

They did not know specific day, or time. THey had a general idea.

[magicrat85]

Originally Posted by suicidesaints

YES! The patriot act was thought of before 9/11 - A lot of conspiracy theorists will claim that it was written 20 years before 9/11. I don't agree with that but I do know that a version of it was written well before 9/11 - The document was signed 6 weeks after 9/11... do you really think they could have written that much legislation in 6 weeks? I takes years for most acts similar to it to be written. There are numerous interviews and speeches in which the Bush's say they want a NWO.

I am at work once again so I can't view some of these sources or view the YouTube video to be sure that it is the one that I am specifically wanting to refer to, but these should be starting points...

http://www.al-bab.com/arab/docs/pal/pal10.htm
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6B9U_RvbnsA

Your text comes from one of the most jacked looking websites I have ever saw and the video is clearly edited

[suicidesaints]

Originally Posted by magicrat85

Your text comes from one of the most jacked looking websites I have ever saw and the video is clearly edited

Like I said I cannot view the video or site from here at work, but if you are curious enough to do your own research, there is plenty of verifiable sources that will show you that the Bush's, especially George Bush Sr. are working on created a New World Order.

[suicidesaints]

Originally Posted by Dustin Harkins

I can say it's not an inside job because it's not something they orchestrated, it's a situation they took advantage of. They saw it coming and rode it out. It's like saying Taylor Swift planned for Kanye to interrupt her at the VMAs. She was able to see him coming up to the stage, she took full advantage of it from the media once it was done, but she didn't plan it herself.

I guess its just semantics when we talk about "inside job". I believe that they did know what exactly was going to happen and when, but that part is just theory. Either way the govt. has explicitly lied to us over and over again... They have repeatedly denied having prior knowledge.

http://www.americanprogress.org/issu...es/b43926.html

If they knew there may have been a threat of something like this happening, then why didn't they admit that and just say "We didn't know this was going to happen but we knew that terrorist threats were a possibility and we have done everything we can to prevent them"... no, instead they just deny any and all responsibility -- Sounds like a cover up to me

[Dustin Harkins]

Originally Posted by suicidesaints

I guess its just semantics when we talk about "inside job". I believe that they did know what exactly was going to happen and when, but that part is just theory. Either way the govt. has explicitly lied to us over and over again... They have repeatedly denied having prior knowledge.

http://www.americanprogress.org/issu...es/b43926.html

If they knew there may have been a threat of something like this happening, then why didn't they admit that and just say "We didn't know this was going to happen but we knew that terrorist threats were a possibility and we have done everything we can to prevent them"... no instead they just deny any and all responsibility -- Sounds like a cover up to me

Because it was obvious they didn't do everything they could to prevent them, and if they stated that, they would've been caught in their lie.

What they failed to recognize is the power of archives that we have right now and that it's easier to catch them.

[magicrat85]

*checking out*

[suicidesaints]

Originally Posted by Dustin Harkins

Because it was obvious they didn't do everything they could to prevent them, and if they stated that, they would've been caught in their lie.

What they failed to recognize is the power of archives that we have right now and that it's easier to catch them.

Agreed. So why is it so far fetched that 9/11 was a conspiracy?

[loveisdead]

Not for nothing, but there are a ton of really important things going on in the world right now that will affect you tomorrow. Why are you guys so insistent on endlessly fighting about something that happened 11 years ago?

[suicidesaints]

Originally Posted by loveisdead

Not for nothing, but there are a ton of really important things going on in the world right now that will affect you tomorrow. Why are you guys so insistent on endlessly fighting about something that happened 11 years ago?

I agree 100000% but the reason we are talking about 9/11 is because the topic of this thread deals with 9/11. Also 9/11 is just one of the many pieces that fit into these important world events that you are referring to. Please elaborate though on the important things going on in the world that you think we should be discussing, because to be completely honest I would like to be better informed on other global events.