[richter915]

Originally Posted by EasySkankin

At first I thought you understood the point I was trying to make, but instead you're making extreme assumptions about me for making one statistical assertion.

It is not a simple statistical assertion as you're making it out to be. Before I move forward, let me make sure I understand your assertion fully (correct me if wrong): Due to evidence showing that relative to whites of the similar economic standing, blacks have greater rates of conviction for crimes. As such, one can conclude that there is a propensity of black minds and bodies towards criminality. Correct or no?

[EasySkankin]

Originally Posted by richter915

It is not a simple statistical assertion as you're making it out to be. Before I move forward, let me make sure I understand your assertion fully (correct me if wrong): Due to evidence showing that relative to whites of the similar economic standing, blacks have greater rates of conviction for crimes. As such, one can conclude that there is a propensity of black minds and bodies towards criminality. Correct or no?

The first part, yes, the second part is yet to be determined. There is a propensity among blacks to commit crimes, but assuming it's caused on the function of their race and race alone I don't agree with.

[magicrat85]

Blacks

[caveBEAR]

[magicrat85]

Originally Posted by caveBEAR

What?

[David87]

I've got a great relationship with the blacks

[luckykaruba]

Did I post the stop and frisk map in here?

[luckykaruba]

Also there was a good report on NPR, I believe, about police demanding id from people in primarily black and Latino neighborhoods to show they lived there. If they could produce such id they'd be hauled off to jail.


Wish I had real Internet.

[crackedthesky]

Originally Posted by EasySkankin

The first part, yes, the second part is yet to be determined. There is a propensity among blacks to commit crimes, but assuming it's caused on the function of their race and race alone I don't agree with.

So you don't think there's any margin of error in law enforcement being more likely to detain a black person (even when they've done nothing wrong) and more likely to turn the other way with a white person (even when they see them committing a crime)?

[EasySkankin]

Originally Posted by crackedthesky

So you don't think there's any margin of error in law enforcement being more likely to detain a black person (even when they've done nothing wrong) and more likely to turn the other way with a white person (even when they see them committing a crime)?

So you're asking if I think a cop will witness a white person commit a crime, but not do anything about it because they are white, and that this is somehow systemic in law enforcement? Thats a resounding no.

Cops will detain any person even if they have not done anything wrong if they believe they will cause a disturbance. Will some of these people be black? Of
Course. Will there be a handful of cases where racist officers use their authority to enact Hateful prejudice? Of course, they are people just like us. But hateful prejudice is not systemic. With any statistical sample there is a margin of error, irregularities, exceptions, etc. but we're talking about pretty wide margins.

[crackedthesky]

Originally Posted by EasySkankin

So you're asking if I think a cop will witness a white person commit a crime, but not do anything about it because they are white, and that this is somehow systemic in law enforcement? Thats a resounding no.

Cops will detain any person even if they have not done anything wrong if they believe they will cause a disturbance. Will some of these people be black? Of
Course. Will there be a handful of cases where racist officers use their authority to enact Hateful prejudice? Of course, they are people just like us. But hateful prejudice is not systemic. With any statistical sample there is a margin of error, irregularities, exceptions, etc. but we're talking about pretty wide margins.

No, I'm asking if you think a cop will pull over a black guy just for "looking suspicious" but drive right past and assume nothing is wrong if that person is white. I think there is a systematic prejudice; for example if a black guy is standing outside of a house looking into a window, most police officers will probably pull over first chance they get, but if a white guy does it they're more likely to assume it's his house and he locked himself out and is seeing if maybe there's someone inside and they aren't hearing him knocking.

And I'm not suggesting this happens 100% of the time or even a majority of the time (I don't know any studies off the top of my head and I'm not going to look right now) but you're speaking in absolutes as though there's no chance anything like that could ever happen, let alone happen enough to make the figures you're claiming skewed, and I'm willing to bet you're wrong about at least once of those.

[magicrat85]

http://www.rollingstone.com/culture/...rpaio-20120802

great article

[chipdip18]

Originally Posted by crackedthesky

No, I'm asking if you think a cop will pull over a black guy just for "looking suspicious" but drive right past and assume nothing is wrong if that person is white. I think there is a systematic prejudice; for example if a black guy is standing outside of a house looking into a window, most police officers will probably pull over first chance they get, but if a white guy does it they're more likely to assume it's his house and he locked himself out and is seeing if maybe there's someone inside and they aren't hearing him knocking.

And I'm not suggesting this happens 100% of the time or even a majority of the time (I don't know any studies off the top of my head and I'm not going to look right now) but you're speaking in absolutes as though there's no chance anything like that could ever happen, let alone happen enough to make the figures you're claiming skewed, and I'm willing to bet you're wrong about at least once of those.

Well in Arizona they'll pull over a "suspicious Latino".

[richter915]

Originally Posted by chipdip18

Well in Arizona they'll pull over a "suspicious Latino".

and what makes it institutionalized racism is that this racist ideology grew into legislation. This case is great for anyone who thinks Jim Crow is dead.

[gfxtwin]