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06:06 AM on 11/21/12
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Probably the post I agree with the most.



Unless you're Refused.

I'd like to nominate The Shape of Punk to Come as a classic in this thread. Thoughts, go.

Seconded.

This may or may not already been addressed, but one quality of a classic album is going to be if it holds up after its time. For instance, I know refused was gaining brand new fans off of The Shape... On this last go around. Not many of my favorite albums, even though I consider them classics to me, have that same appeal.

That being said, albums like postal services-give up, and sublime- s/t have been bringing new fans to bands that don't exist or at least not in their original "real" form anymore. Hell, crossing genres even Johnny cash is still convincing people to listen to classic country.
06:14 AM on 11/21/12
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A classic is when a great album is released at the right time. Got to have enough people to be excited about it together, and I feel like that is a defining factor. But a classic to one can be unlistenable garbage to another, so its a fine line.
06:39 AM on 11/21/12
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When it comes to hip-hop, I don't consider any of it to be 'classic' - far from it.

When it comes to rock, I think there have been loads of albums recently that could be classic, but I reckon it takes a good 10 years to really be sure. The problem is because it's all become so alternative, and 'supposedly' the best albums are very alternative now, they rarely actually sell many copies and get out to a large audience, unlike the 'classics' of the 60s/70s/80s.

Furthermore music critics seem to think that to be a classic it's got to be 100% new, forgetting the fact that the majority of people don't actually listen to much music that is older than 10 years. So quite frankly if a band brings out an album that has a very similar sound to some 70's band then I don't generally give a damn because the 70's were flipping 40 years ago and I've never heard that type of music before.

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06:39 AM on 11/21/12
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elephant - the white striples

loved it when it came out but it's only gotten better with time.
07:38 AM on 11/21/12
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In my opinion a classic album has to be something that no matter your mood you can put it on and it can take you somewhere else or make you feel something else. Deja is my favourite album of all time but it took me a few listens to really appreciate it, so it doesn't have to be something that instantly grabs you it can easily be something that grows on you. Everyone's idea of classic is different, I'm not a Metallica fan but I wouldn't ever disagree if someone said one of their records is a classic in the genre, same applies to some major pop artists just because I don't get it doesn't mean it isn't a classic in someone's eyes, it's all subjective.
07:42 AM on 11/21/12
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to me a classic is an album that is indicative of it's time yet progressive and has lasting value. with that being said, SWYA by saves the day is a classic to me, as well as deja entendu and bleed american and enema of the state. iarb by say anything might be as well. the only album in recent time that i've heard that i might consider a classic is Suburbia, I've given you all and now I'm nothing by the wonder years. i know everyone's jumping on the twy train but there's a great narrative to that album and i still given it daily spins 1 1/2 years later and have no sights of slowing down.
07:44 AM on 11/21/12
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Personal Classics

Counting Crows - August And Everything
Saves The Day - In Reverie
Dinosaur Jr - Where You Been
Jimmy Eat World - Bleed American
American Steel - Jagged Thoughts
No Use For A Name - More Betterness
Taking Back Sunday - Tell All Your Friends
Brand New - The Devil and The God Are Raging Inside Me
Coldplay - A Rush Of Blood To The Head

tbc or swya will be remembered as std's classic(s), but in reverie really has thr most musical prowness. swya though is just flawless to me as an album.
07:51 AM on 11/21/12
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tbc or swya will be remembered as std's classic(s), but in reverie really has thr most musical prowness. swya though is just flawless to me as an album.
IT was hard for me to choose. I would never choose tbc as their classic but I do think swya probably is their biggest universal classic. For me personally both SWYA and In Reverie are very special. I think I choose In Reverie is because I can end long nights with it really well. As good as tbc was good for what it was Saves The Day only got better. swya and in reverie are high points on their discography and the trilogy were not as good in my opinion but had some great songs and I personally liked them more than tbc. Daybreak was std in rare form again so I really hope the band continues with their current sound and lineup.
07:54 AM on 11/21/12
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I read that Pitchfork article, and I completely agree. I can't understand why people listen to Kendrick's album and instantly call it a classic. More than half of these people will put this album out of their personal rotation in 6 months and possibly never return to it.

Certainly there is a difference between a personal classic and a generally acclaimed "classic" record. For example, a personal classic of mine will be Saves The Day's "Stay What You Are". While this record is considered a classic within the means of music listeners who seek out the emo/punk scene, for the majority of people, it's not. I'd say something like The College Dropout is on it's way to be a worldwide "classic". Has lasting value, tracks are still played by people all over the world to this very day.

I guess you really also have to consider the fact that our generation is far more saturated with music than the generations before us, which makes it harder to push through everything we personally enjoy and find the albums that are considered gems by society as a whole.

very accurate statement. both are easily "classics" but I heard swya because i'm in this scene. i listened to college dropout back in the day because I "had to" as a fan of music.
08:00 AM on 11/21/12
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IT was hard for me to choose. I would never choose tbc as their classic but I do think swya probably is their biggest universal classic. For me personally both SWYA and In Reverie are very special. I think I choose In Reverie is because I can end long nights with it really well. As good as tbc was good for what it was Saves The Day only got better. swya and in reverie are high points on their discography and the trilogy were not as good in my opinion but had some great songs and I personally liked them more than tbc. Daybreak was std in rare form again so I really hope the band continues with their current sound and lineup.

agreed. tbc is good, but not std's best. swya is thier best emo/pop-rock release. like you said though, this album is special. see you, nightingale. aygtf, freakish, firefly and exit still get daily spins. in reverie is thier best indie and i'm starting to really enjoy it, espeically the title track. sound the alarm i thought was strong but suffered from redundant themes. utb felt too drawn out, but can't stay the same/radio/ and get f--ked up are still solid. . daybreak was stronger but chris' voice really gets to me on the record and the lyrics fell too drawn out again at times.
08:03 AM on 11/21/12
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Mbdtf isnt very accessible especially compared to his first two. Which is why i dont get how it got people into hip hop aside from acclaim on this site

You mean every single music publication in existence?
08:24 AM on 11/21/12
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I don't know a lot of the details on how MBDTF was reviewed on release, as I wasn't paying too much attention at the time. But you have to figure that some of that is momentum built up from the previous releases. Sites and magazines that wouldn't cover him before came to terms with the artist Kanye is and gave him favorable reviews. Publications that previously may have just written him off as a gimmick saw that his music had lasting power and legitimate artistry. I feel like some of the misgivings they might have had about him before had been assuaged, permitting them to go into their reviews less cautiously, without fear of being seen as scoring it higher than it warranted. Does that make sense?

For a couple years in high school, I started listening to nothing but hip-hop, and College Dropout was definitely one of the albums that made me a huge fan of the genre. It's odd to think whether MBDTF would have the same effect on me, because it just didn't have as much appeal to me at 24 as CD had at 17. It's got a few great tracks, then it's got some mediocre ones. I think CD had the right mix of pop appeal, solid songwriting, and variety to fit my tastes. And it has staying power.

Ahhh, I see what you mean now. I suppose that could be the case, but I prefer to think that the critics just saw a stronger start-to-finish record in MBDTF. In the Slant Magazine review for The College Dropout (which they gave 3.5 stars), the writer kicked off the review by saying, "Like every hip-hop album (even the great ones), Kanye West's The College Dropout is marred by too many guest artists, too many interludes, and just too many songs period. (I challenge every hip-hop artist working today to record just one album with 12 tracks or less—no skits, no guests, no filler.)" They gave Late Registration the same rating, but crowned MBDTF as the best album of 2010 and gave it a perfect 5-star rating. Pitchfork had similar reservations about Dropout, but gave Twisted Fantasy the rare 10.0 and also named it the album of the year. I agree that their misgivings were assuaged, but that's because Kanye largely dropped the gimmicks: he got rid of the skits (well, nearly), he trimmed down the number of tracks and kept many of the guest spots shared between a core group of confidantes. And as a whole, the record felt a lot less scattershot or overlong, even though it still stretched to almost 70 minutes. For me, that record flies by in what feels like half the time that it takes me to listen to the other two.

I think your second paragraph is a tough question to ask, since you obviously have a big, important personal connection to TCD. I don't think there's a weak track on MBDTF (which ones don't you like, btw?), but there are a few that I skip on both College Dropout and Late Registration. It could just be a matter of perspective, of our differing musical roots and differences in what we look for in a hip hop album, but I have, over the past two years, gotten the feeling that the appreciation for MBDTF remains very heartfelt and widespread.
08:45 AM on 11/21/12
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I hadn't been aware that GKMC was being considered "classic". Except for Kanye's MBDTF, the last few years I haven't thought about any album in that context, my favorite albums just end up on my end of the year list. As GKMC probably will, probably in the #1 spot.

But I wouldn't say it's a classic, and pretty much whatever else I believe has already been stated very well by that Star Slight and Argentine post. Though I will back the side that says TCD, LR and MBDTF are classics.
09:16 AM on 11/21/12
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You mean every single music publication in existence?

Or this site because i was referring to the posters here
09:29 AM on 11/21/12
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I agree with the idea that for an album to be considered a classic it should have far reaching influence and effect the development of the genre. If I had to pick 5 classics of the past 25 years that had the greatest influence on the evolution of popular rock music I'd say Guns N Roses Appetite for Destruction , Nirvana Nevermind, Green Day Dookie, Blink-182 Enema of the State and Taking Back Sunday Tell All Your Friends.
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