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06:28 AM on 11/27/12 
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I don't have a problem with the chips. If you're obedient like you should be in school, you shouldn't worry about being tracked. If you need a chip to access certain facilities in the school, it just prevents unwanted individuals from accessing them.

It tracks you, obedient or not. Why do you HAVE to get a tracking device in order to be in school? Why is America okay with the government enforcing this on students?
06:34 AM on 11/27/12 
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There is a hell of a difference between students in a school having to wear an ID badge and what you are alluding to, which is Obama secretly or not so secretly implanting a tracking chip in our bodies/brains. It's pretty funny that you don't see that.

Yes, there is a different between an ID badge and having to wear an ID badge WITH a tracking device in it. It wouldn't be so bad if they weren't enforcing it. The Obamacare mentions an RFID chip that can "if must" be used for Obamacare patients. If they are enforcing it on students what makes you think that they won't eventually enforce it on Obamacare patients?

The FDA approved of human implanting, what would there be to stop them? Well us, but we will without a doubt look at it now and not the misuse that can be done by it.
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Haha great fucking minds think alike my friend.

So you're from Texas--has the fascist Obamacare regime in place down there in red state Texas made YOU get an RFID chip implanted yet? Surely they have...

Obamacare isn't in effect as of yet
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Yes, there is a different between an ID badge and having to wear an ID badge WITH a tracking device in it. It wouldn't be so bad if they weren't enforcing it. The Obamacare mentions an RFID chip that can "if must" be used for Obamacare patients. If they are enforcing it on students what makes you think that they won't eventually enforce it on Obamacare patients?

The FDA approved of human implanting, what would there be to stop them? Well us, but we will without a doubt look at it now and not the misuse that can be done by it.

You're making a mountain out of a mole hill. When kids walk into a school, they give up some of their rights. That's not the case for the rest of us when visiting the doctors office (or anywhere else in the country), even if you're using public health care. You are connecting two completely different scenarios.
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Yes, there is a different between an ID badge and having to wear an ID badge WITH a tracking device in it. It wouldn't be so bad if they weren't enforcing it. The Obamacare mentions an RFID chip that can "if must" be used for Obamacare patients. If they are enforcing it on students what makes you think that they won't eventually enforce it on Obamacare patients?

The FDA approved of human implanting, what would there be to stop them? Well us, but we will without a doubt look at it now and not the misuse that can be done by it.

http://www.snopes.com/politics/medical/microchip.asp
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Except for the part in the article where they say it's on a badge that students carry with them, NOT implanted in their bodies. I don't really think it's necessary and I wouldn't support making them mandatory, but your argument that because they are used in schools, therefore we will all be implanted and tracked and such doesn't make a lot of sense.
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You're making a mountain out of a mole hill. When kids walk into a school, they give up some of their rights. That's not the case for the rest of us when visiting the doctors office (or anywhere else in the country), even if you're using public health care. You are connecting two completely different scenarios.

This is true, which is why some people elect to send their kids to private schools or home school rather than public education. But don't you think that as a society, we should do our best to make public education the way we want it... I mean we are paying tax dollars to support it, and I don't want my tax dollars paying for tracking devices
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This is true, which is why some people elect to send their kids to private schools or home school rather than public education. But don't you think that as a society, we should do our best to make public education the way we want it... I mean we are paying tax dollars to support it, and I don't want my tax dollars paying for tracking devices

That's a whole different discussion, but for the sake of argument, yes I do think whatever it cost to make those ID badges could have been better spent on teachers or other essential things. If someone proposed it in my area, I'd oppose it based on that, not because I wouldn't want the school tracking where my kid goes during his free period.
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That's a whole different discussion, but for the sake of argument, yes I do think whatever it cost to make those ID badges could have been better spent on teachers or other essential things. If someone proposed it in my area, I'd oppose it based on that, not because I wouldn't want the school tracking where my kid goes during his free period.

I back this.
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I have more of a problem with people like NewAge who make this out to be part of some ridiculous neo-communist conspiracy somehow tied to OBAMACARE of all things--which is a health care reform act established by a fairly middle-of-the-road moderate president--and also the girl who is challenging the RFID chips because they might be a sign of the apocalypse (as foretold in Revelation) than I do with the actual idea of students being required to carry an ID badge that has an RFID chip on it.

That being said, while I'm sure this seemed like a great idea in the abstract to the administrators of the school, I don't think you can require all students to carry a tracking device. Even though kids do give up some liberties when they enter a public school obviously, this seems to be a bit too much, in my personal opinion. As someone who works in public schools, I understand why this would seem like a good idea, but I also understand why there has been such a backlash from parents and students. However, it's not worthy of the hoopla and national attention it's getting.
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Also, this is a very important paragraph.

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The student, Andrea Hernandez, objected to wearing the lanyard because she said it violated her religious beliefs and invaded her privacy. The school offered Hernandez a lanyard without an RFID chip, but she refused, not wanting to support the school district's surveillance system in any way. "I feel it's the implementation of the Mark of the Beast,” she said, citing the Book of Revelation. The student's family is now suing the school, according to The Register.
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That's a whole different discussion, but for the sake of argument, yes I do think whatever it cost to make those ID badges could have been better spent on teachers or other essential things. If someone proposed it in my area, I'd oppose it based on that, not because I wouldn't want the school tracking where my kid goes during his free period.


It is indeed a different discussion to talk about the financial cost of the chips versus the actual use of the chips, but I have a problem with both. I don't have a problem with the school making sure that my child is where they should be, but I do have a problem with the statement, "When a child walks into a school, certain rights are given up" - Sure, some rights are given up, but I also think that certain rights are inalienable... we could get into a whole other discussion about that too, but I think that parents could easily track their children if they deemed it fit, and that the school shouldn't require it... besides if they are only wearing it on a badge, then what stops the child from removing the badge... and if they are implanting the chip, then that's yet another problem
07:28 AM on 11/27/12 
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That same article introduced me to the "Hello there, Racists" tumblr:
That tumblr makes me uncomfortable, due to what is said by the individuals, but also due to the fact most of the individuals identified (with fairly distinct detail, including school and town), are high school-ers whose views are most likely shaped by an insular world view created by their particular town and home life. Not sure how I feel about dedicating a blog to publicly shame them.
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You're making a mountain out of a mole hill. When kids walk into a school, they give up some of their rights. That's not the case for the rest of us when visiting the doctors office (or anywhere else in the country), even if you're using public health care. You are connecting two completely different scenarios.

But the badges will be taken home with the chips still in them and this is going to make the RFID chip "acceptable" if this continues to go through.

Over a decade ago conspiracy theorist said the RFID chip will be enforced..up until a month ago everyone against them said "no, can't happen" and now it is, at a small rate.
It's in the bill, its approves by FDA, its not safe.

It only takes one small rattle to start an avalanche.
07:31 AM on 11/27/12 
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But the badges will be taken home with the chips still in them and this is going to make the RFID chip "acceptable" if this continues to go through.

Over a decade ago conspiracy theorist said the RFID chip will be enforced..up until a month ago everyone against them said "no, can't happen" and now it is, at a small rate.
It's in the bill, its approves by FDA, its not safe.

It only takes one small rattle to start an avalanche.

Let me just post this again...

http://www.snopes.com/politics/medical/microchip.asp

And this again.

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The student, Andrea Hernandez, objected to wearing the lanyard because she said it violated her religious beliefs and invaded her privacy. The school offered Hernandez a lanyard without an RFID chip, but she refused, not wanting to support the school district's surveillance system in any way. "I feel it's the implementation of the Mark of the Beast,” she said, citing the Book of Revelation. The student's family is now suing the school, according to The Register.
 



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