I'm just giggling at 60-year-old criticism that's been responded to, critiqued, argued against, refined, etc. endlessly by scholars in the interim being tossed out like a holy text that proves Frank Ocean is objectively not good. Jesus. New Criticism in its pure form is seriously ancient at this point.

Edit: There'd be a lot more to discuss if you were namedropping, say, Stanley Fish.

hahahaha this thread, some classic J-Tateing going on in here

I mean I'm not a fan but the guy has a voice, as for writing I'm not the best judge of that

why are we supposed to accept this new criticism theory as complete and utter fact and if we don't abide by it our criticism/thoughts/opinions are invalid? I mean common not everything has to be discussed with a damn philosophy book in front of you

Originally Posted by cshadows2887

I'm just giggling at 60-year-old criticism that's been responded to, critiqued, argued against, refined, etc. endlessly by scholars in the interim being tossed out like a holy text that proves Frank Ocean is objectively not good. Jesus. New Criticism in its pure form is seriously ancient at this point.

Edit: There'd be a lot more to discuss if you were namedropping, say, Stanley Fish.

Nice name drop.

When Jason posts the bullshit philosophical texts in a music forum, it makes me wonder how he runs such a site.

There's nothing that takes the fun or purity out of music more than that. How embarrassing.

I'd like to see how you'd hold up against John Maus.

Originally Posted by cshadows2887

I'm just giggling at 60-year-old criticism that's been responded to, critiqued, argued against, refined, etc. endlessly by scholars in the interim being tossed out like a holy text that proves Frank Ocean is objectively not good. Jesus. New Criticism in its pure form is seriously ancient at this point.

Edit: There'd be a lot more to discuss if you were namedropping, say, Stanley Fish.

Haha exactly

would you say that new criticism is "not good"?

It's below average

I would say above mediocre but below just okay

Originally Posted by Qadriyyah

That song proves he's a great singer and songwriter.

How does 'Strawberry Swing' prove he's a good songwriter? I mean, I am of the camp that he totally is, but he more than paid homage to a Coldplay song with that track.

Tate is a douche lol Frank Ocean is a pretty good vocalist. Tate's avatar? Shitty vocalist. Sub-par, to be a little bit nicer. Why the virtual pissing contest?