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07:26 PM on 03/20/13 
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I still like "Crackers doing cracker shit".
Oh me too. Just giving you props got having 2 acceptable thread titles.
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Since I more or less started the shit storm about rape that has occurred over the last couple things I'd like to point out a few things that I'm hoping weren't implied by me (starting off) appearing to take a side similar to birdman's

yes, if you are sober and you get a girl drunk to fuck her that is 100% rape. You knew she didn't want to sleep with you when she was coherent so you forced her too by lowering her self control. That is rape.

If 2 people are bombed out of their mind, and they both consent, however wasted they may be, I don't think that's rape. Maybe one party would say no if they were sober but you can't say that one persons consent doesn't count because they were drunk while also saying that the other person who was drunk as they were should be coherent enough to realize that. IF consent is given on both sides and both are equally as intoxicated the only way it's rape is if one part went in to that situation with the intent to get them drunk to have sex them, which would be hard to prove.

In any situation where one party is unconscious, it's rape. If you want to prove otherwise you better have express written consent (and no I'm not kidding on this).

Both men an women need to be educated on what is and isn't rape, not only because they can both be guilty of it (though men are far more likely too) but because a rapist should not get away with it because their victim isn't aware that what happened to them is rape. If they get away they might do it to someone else.

Birdman's rape stats are BS
08:13 PM on 03/20/13 
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Some of us in here are sports fans. That whole Lebron isn't clutch thing? Yeahhhh....

@gswscribe 27m
"During streak, James has (played) 48 mins of clutch time. His numbers: 49 pts, 18 asts, 16 rebs."
Speaking of which, and yes I realize this came against Cleveland so it means less but...

@tomhaberstroh: LeBron had 7 points, 5 assists and 2 rebounds midway 3Q. Finished w/ 25 points, 10 assists, 12 rebounds. Heat win.
08:15 PM on 03/20/13 
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I'm still sticking with the game boy color thread title... I think because its rooted in my love of game boy color as a freshman in high school and I have a hard on for nostalgia.
08:17 PM on 03/20/13 
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I still like "Crackers doing cracker shit".
crackers gonna crack?
09:46 PM on 03/20/13 
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Twitter is a great news source. I'd give it a try if I were you.
I tried that, there was too much noise.
10:52 PM on 03/20/13 
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Again, why we cannot have an honest conversation.

First of all, I think that there are those that would disagree with your assessment of what constitutes "taking advantage of". I think there are those that would certainly look at a sober guy feeding a girl drinks so he can bang her as a rape. However, I am not one of those people.

To the bolded, whose responsibility is it ascertain whether or not a sexual partner "understands the situation" as you put it? Rape being the sensitive topic that it is, the need for definition is critical to protect young men of false accusations. Something that can destroy a young man's life.

And before you pounce on me for suggesting that false accusations are prevelant, this study claims that 41% of rape allegations can be defined as a false allegation.
think of it like this.

someone is intentionally poisoning a fellow human so they can fuck them. i hope we all agree that that is not cool.
05:49 AM on 03/21/13 
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Bracing for the fallout

RT @AP BREAKING: Obama says Palestinians deserve sovereign state, end to occupation and to daily indignities.
05:55 AM on 03/21/13 
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OBAMA DOESN'T CARE ABOUT ISREAL
- Every conservative today
06:30 AM on 03/21/13 
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I'm proud of Obama for saying that.
06:58 AM on 03/21/13 
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think of it like this.

someone is intentionally poisoning a fellow human so they can fuck them. i hope we all agree that that is not cool.

I certainly agree that isn't cool.
07:51 AM on 03/21/13 
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Here's the thing, for so long preventing rape has been on the woman (and we are all aware that rape can happen between anyone that's why rape laws have slowly been changing to reflect the different relationships we are in). I remember, way back when so maybe it has changed now, that we did talk about rape, but it was always "have a buddy", "don't drink", etc etc. It always put the onerous on the victim. What advocates want to see is a shift in the conversation, and this may in fact include girls and women (and it most likely will because they will be in the classroom or see ing the posters). The conversation instead should be "are they too drunk?" "are they enthusiastic?" and maybe we should shift into actually asking for consent (and maybe we should ask ourselves why it's so weird to want explicit consent every time and ask for it. In BDSM sex it is required to have explicit consent for each act and I'm pretty sure they wouldn't say their sex is unsexy, in fact having that full consent and trust is what makes it so sexy).

Going back to who gets these messages, apparently rape and raping people is a problem in groups such as sports teams, frats, and other large groups of males (though I'm guessing a lot of it has to do with coverage, it makes it easy to blame certain groups rather than discussing how it is a systemic problem that has more to do with power and privilege). First, this would be a great place to start when you want to disseminate a message of don't rape. It's also a great way to start to put some shame in the act of raping. After this girl was rape the other team members were laughing about it, and those who weren't didn't speak up and say "that's fucked up and I won't participate in these videos, twitter posts, etc". I'm also guessing that no one told them that putting fingers inside of a vagina was rape because we have been told that rape is a penis forcibly going into a vagina, and even up until now that's what it was legally. Most likely these boys assumed that as long as she didn't remember it and doesn't "feel" it, it can't be rape. Their apologies seemed to point to this as well (at least the one guy's). They were sorry the pictures went out, meaning it only turned to rape when she knew what had happened, a tree only falls when someone can hear it (this could also be completely off track, but I like the theory).

Anyway, first I think we need to do something about how we approach rape education, and this off course will be directed at women too because when you shift the entire talk everyone will hear it. But Birdman is right, no amont of education will curb rapes. You also need people who take this stuff seriously, including universities and law enforcement. Like I mentioned before about the football players. I'm guessing it made it a lot easier to do because they felt as though there would be zero repercussions and maybe even some cred among their peers (for being funny or whatever). And this has been the case in numerous rape cases in almost all institutions.

Rape, and rape prevention is complicated because their are so many systematic barriers and problems tangled together (I don't even want to go into all the chilling effects that are in place or are being discussed, NY anyone?), but I think we should start somewhere and I think that does mean shifting the conversation to a different group of people so they have at least more responsibility, which they have basically zero at the moment.
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I'm proud of Obama for saying that.
Me too!
08:04 AM on 03/21/13 
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Best post in this converation

Me too!

Hah. I reread it and it could use some polishing. Should always revise my posts before hitting send.
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Hah. I reread it and it could use some polishing. Should always revise my posts before hitting send.
And, funny enough, my post you quoted included a typo haha
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