holy. shit. what a joke.

I'm sorry you all had to sit through such a lengthy composition of bullshit.

His lies are nauseating. At this point, I am convinced he will never speak a whole truth ever in his life.

Also, anyone that is STILL believing his 'alcoholism' bit. I'm terribly sorry.

How he looks at himself in the mirror everyday is beyond me.

Originally Posted by Readyorknot13

You obviously don't understand the disease of alcoholism. What Ben did was in excusable, and I think he would be the first one to tell you that. But it's clear he has a SERIOUS issue. He's seems to have owned up to it and wants to make things right. It's hard to understand if you've never had someone close to you battle with addiction, but Ben needs serious help.

Let's play the blame game. Who/what can we blame so the person actually responsible isn't the one taking the blame?!

Seriously, there are bad people in the world. The way people can rationalize things could make Hitler sound like a saint.

Originally Posted by i'm a big deal.

Explanation? Yes please!

EDIT: Wow, that was really big of Ben to admit all that stuff and let the fans know what's going on. I really hope that he can get his life together and stay sober! Best of luck, Ben <3

Oh man, I bet Cody Payne is going to have a field day with this..

literally reading through this JUST to see if Payne weighed in

Originally Posted by Augustine1128

holy. shit. what a joke.

I'm sorry you all had to sit through such a lengthy composition of bullshit.

His lies are nauseating. At this point, I am convinced he will never speak a whole truth ever in his life.

Also, anyone that is STILL believing his 'alcoholism' bit. I'm terribly sorry.

How he looks at himself in the mirror everyday is beyond me.

Damn. Best of luck to you and the rest of the band!

Originally Posted by sweetfootaction

Let's play the blame game. Who/what can we blame so the person actually responsible isn't the one taking the blame?!

Seriously, there are bad people in the world. The way people can rationalize things could make Hitler sound like a saint.

Please tell me where I said he WASN'T responsible for his actions??? Or that anything he did was acceptable? He'll have to face the consequences of his actions like anyone else would. I don't understand how me saying "he has an issue" equates to "everything he did was OK".....

Wow half the posters in this thread are ruhtards.

On topic, I'm glad this guy is fighting the disease that is alcoholism and one of the first steps is admitting the truth

Originally Posted by Augustine1128

holy. shit. what a joke.

I'm sorry you all had to sit through such a lengthy composition of bullshit.

His lies are nauseating. At this point, I am convinced he will never speak a whole truth ever in his life.

Also, anyone that is STILL believing his 'alcoholism' bit. I'm terribly sorry.

How he looks at himself in the mirror everyday is beyond me.

Oh.. Maybe not then. You would know better than us.

Originally Posted by sweetfootaction

Good god. People here are rationalizing things here and making the guy sound like a fucking martyr. People need to be held responsible for their actions. Guy is a shithead.

Yes.

Shit happens....

Originally Posted by Augustine1128

holy. shit. what a joke.

I'm sorry you all had to sit through such a lengthy composition of bullshit.

His lies are nauseating. At this point, I am convinced he will never speak a whole truth ever in his life.

Also, anyone that is STILL believing his 'alcoholism' bit. I'm terribly sorry.

How he looks at himself in the mirror everyday is beyond me.

Wow... seriously? He's lying in this too?

Originally Posted by Readyorknot13

Please tell me where I said he WASN'T responsible for his actions??? Or that anything he did was acceptable? He'll have to face the consequences of his actions like anyone else would. I don't understand how me saying "he has an issue" equates to "everything he did was OK".....

My point is, my brain doesn't comprehend why people give sympathy to terrible people. People sympathized with Jonny Craig, they did for the other scene douche that was also kicked out of multiple bands for being a shithead. It doesn't make sense to me. None of the occurrences were a single mistake either. They were prolonged events. They knew what they were doing and yet they did nothing to fix them UNTIL THEY GOT CAUGHT. That is not remorse.

I have checked this website every day for years, and I hardly ever comment on anything. Just poking in to offer that that was about the most courageous press release I have ever read, and despite all the awful shit he did, it takes a real man to own up to it. I hope he recovers and commits his voice to tape again soon, the world will miss it. Cheers, Ben.

Originally Posted by Augustine1128

holy. shit. what a joke.

I'm sorry you all had to sit through such a lengthy composition of bullshit.

His lies are nauseating. At this point, I am convinced he will never speak a whole truth ever in his life.

Also, anyone that is STILL believing his 'alcoholism' bit. I'm terribly sorry.

How he looks at himself in the mirror everyday is beyond me.

..are you trying to be vague on purpose?

Originally Posted by Mr.Kilgannon

Wow... seriously? He's lying in this too?

I think it's worth pointing out that at this point the rest of the band won't trust a word he says, so this could be the truth and they would still think he's lying

Also: really disappointed Payne is MIA. was really read to get in another war with him. Guess i'll just taunt him on twitter again