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06:18 PM on 05/13/13 
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Careful, now. That statement is just as vague as some same sex marriage opponents. They cannot construct a concrete reason for opposition, and portray the act & spreading of dissension from their ideology as an injustice to society. This isn't a convincing argument by them, and it isn't convincing by you either when used against them.



Ad hominem.

The issue has to do with whether there is a distinct difference is the 'intended' permanent unions of a man and a woman, and those of same -gender pairs. Those against homosexual unions argue that including homosexual couples in the definition of marriage breaks down the very definition of the word. They conclude that there is then no reason to limit marriage to two consenting adults. While many homosexual marriage supporters say this is not the case, some have in fact openly admitted otherwise. On an Australian ABE interview, The LGBT activist Marsha Green admits that homosexual activists are lying about their political goals. She says that they don’t want to access the institution of marriage; they want to radically redefine and eventually eliminate it.

“It’s a no-brainer that (homosexual activists) should have the right to marry, but I also think equally that it’s a no-brainer that the institution of marriage should not exist. …(F)ighting for gay marriage generally involves lying about what we are going to do with marriage when we get there — because we lie that the institution of marriage is not going to change, and that is a lie.

The institution of marriage is going to change, and it should change. And again, I don’t think it should exist. And I don’t like taking part in creating fictions about my life. That’s sort of not what I had in mind when I came out thirty years ago.

I have three kids who have five parents, more or less, and I don’t see why they shouldn’t have five parents legally… I met my new partner, and she had just had a baby, and that baby’s biological father is my brother, and my daughter’s biological father is a man who lives in Russia, and my adopted son also considers him his father. So the five parents break down into two groups of three… And really, I would like to live in a legal system that is capable of reflecting that reality, and I don’t think that’s compatible with the institution of marriage.”

(Source: Audio interview on abc.net.au: http://www.abc.net.au/radionational/...arried/4058506)

I'm curious as to who this Marsha Green is (a google search returns nothing of relevance), and why her opinion invalidates the arguments of so many others?
06:33 PM on 05/13/13 
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I'm curious as to who this Marsha Green is (a google search returns nothing of relevance), and why her opinion invalidates the arguments of so many others?

After doing a little bit of detective work, I realized that Thomas (esrb99) got the last name wrong... It's Marsha Gessen.

http://www.glennbeck.com/2013/04/29/...xist%E2%80%9D/
06:34 PM on 05/13/13 
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I'm curious as to who this Marsha Green is (a google search returns nothing of relevance), and why her opinion invalidates the arguments of so many others?

I'm sorry-not Marsha green, Masha Gessen. I read her name wrong. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Masha_Gessen


It's not that her opinion invalidates others-it's that her opinion coincides with the fears of those who argue that homosexual marriage will lead to a mass confusion on what marriage actually means. Claiming that 'only dicks' would make such an argument is not only an ad hominem, but it ignores the fact that there is a segment of the LGBT community who want just that:a sowing of confusion on what marriage is, and the dismantling of it as a socially recognized state of life with unique considerations by various governments.
06:37 PM on 05/13/13 
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After doing a little bit of detective work, I realized that Thomas (esrb99) got the last name wrong... It's Marsha Gessen.

http://www.glennbeck.com/2013/04/29/...xist%E2%80%9D/

Partly right with this-it's not even Marhsa-it's Masha. Go figure.
06:59 PM on 05/13/13 
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I'm sorry-not Marsha green, Masha Gessen. I read her name wrong. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Masha_Gessen


It's not that her opinion invalidates others-it's that her opinion coincides with the fears of those who argue that homosexual marriage will lead to a mass confusion on what marriage actually means. Claiming that 'only dicks' would make such an argument is not only an ad hominem, but it ignores the fact that there is a segment of the LGBT community who want just that:a sowing of confusion on what marriage is, and the dismantling of it as a socially recognized state of life with unique considerations by various governments.

I'm unsure what you're referring to. You take my obvious insult towards a man who called homosexuality foolish and act as though I was debating marriage equality? I realize I was not being eloquent at that point, but the arguments relevant to that conversation had been made by myself and others several times. You may read those and debate those points, but do not take two words from a prior conversation and try to use those to prove your point in a different subject.
04:33 PM on 05/16/13 
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the AARP promotes a radical “homosexual agenda”, apparently.

um, ok.
04:57 AM on 05/17/13 
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George Takei Responds To "Traditional" Marriage Fans.
The legendary George Takei responds in the best way possible to the protesters who gathered during March Prop 8/DOMA hearings outside the Supreme Court. I went there to ask them to express their opinions on a pad of paper; now, George is weighing in. Can he be any more amazing?





More in the link. These made me laugh.
10:48 AM on 05/17/13 
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George Takei Responds To "Traditional" Marriage Fans.
The legendary George Takei responds in the best way possible to the protesters who gathered during March Prop 8/DOMA hearings outside the Supreme Court. I went there to ask them to express their opinions on a pad of paper; now, George is weighing in. Can he be any more amazing?





More in the link. These made me laugh.

#GeorgeTakei2016



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