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10:25 AM on 12/10/12 
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Are you saying image and lifestyle weren't important aspects of punk at it's start? That's all I'm trying to say.
10:37 AM on 12/10/12 
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Are you saying image and lifestyle weren't important aspects of punk at it's start? That's all I'm trying to say.

and they weren't for grunge?
10:38 AM on 12/10/12 
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These threads are moronic. Who cares
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and they weren't for grunge?

i didn't say that. i'm saying that he wasn't describing punk. i'm not discussing whether he described grunge or not.
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Are you saying image and lifestyle weren't important aspects of punk at it's start? That's all I'm trying to say.
Oh at it's start yes. But fundementally speaking, apart from the image and style of punk, it was a passionate and pure reaction to bloated rock excess. The Ramones may have had their look but their music was made to bring rock music back to its simple origins with an emphasis on melody and an 'anyone-can-play' attitude. Grunge had its own image and style too. While it may not have been as prominent, grunge was also a look and a trend as much as punk was. It was an evolution of punk that became the cool thing to do. See 90s Bryan Adams. I just found it interesting that that poster seemed to only take one part of the 70s and 80s music scenes into account.
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i didn't say that. i'm saying that he wasn't describing punk. i'm not discussing whether he described grunge or not.

It was in the same sense grunge was. An initial reaction and dismissal of current style that ultimately led into a fashion movement in itself
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Oh at it's start yes. But fundementally speaking, apart from the image and style of punk, it was a passionate and pure reaction to bloated rock excess. The Ramones may have had their look but their music was made to bring rock music back to its simple origins with an emphasis on melody and an 'anyone-can-play' attitude. Grunge had its own image and style too. While it may not have been as prominent, grunge was also a look and a trend as much as punk was. It was an evolution of punk that became the cool thing to do. See 90s Bryan Adams. I just found it interesting that that poster seemed to only take one part of the 70s and 80s music scenes into account.

Isn't an "anyone can play attitude" part of an image or style? I'm not saying grunge didn't have an image, I just think there was and still is a lot of emphasis on a certain kind of image in punk music. it doesn't really matter tho lol. do agree the poster is ignoring some things in creating a narrative he agrees with
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It was in the same sense grunge was. An initial reaction and dismissal of current style that ultimately led into a fashion movement in itself
reacting to and dismissing something else are actions which inherently create an identity. what are you trying to say? that punk didn't have an image until later (ie 'ultimately')? or that grunge and punk have images which were created by similar catalysts? i agree with the latter
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Isn't an "anyone can play attitude" part of an image or style? I'm not saying grunge didn't have an image, I just think there was and still is a lot of emphasis on a certain kind of image in punk music. it doesn't really matter tho lol. do agree the poster is ignoring some things in creating a narrative he agrees with
Your last point is what my argument ultimately is. The way he made it sound, alternative music was born in 91 with Nevermind. Maybe grunge brought in alternative music as the major commercial force in music but it was hardly the first genre to come as a reaction to the popular music of the time.
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reacting to and dismissing something else are actions which inherently create an identity. what are you trying to say? that punk didn't have an image until later (ie 'ultimately')? or that grunge and punk have images which were created by similar catalysts? i agree with the latter
The latter, i suppose. The "punk" image wasnt immediate, though
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I don't like The Rolling Stones. I can sort of see why people love them and they're clearly very important. I'm not sure I'd call them objectively good, because I don't want to open up that can of worms, but I can see what you mean. I feel similar about U2, although at least with U2, I could probably put together 10 or 12 songs of theirs that I like, even if they haven't released an album that I love.

There's lots of other bands that are critically loved or are probably 'important', but TRS are the first one that comes to mind.

Edit: That Captain Beefheart album is brilliant ha! Never heard anything else like it, it's such a mess.
Another edit: Metallica, Slayer, Iron Maiden, Megadeath etc. Can't get into that sort of metal at all.
I agree with you on the Stones. I always felt the Stones never released a great album, I always thought they only had two or three good songs at best on each album.
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