[Praetor]

Originally Posted by x togepi x

except, you know, for me.

haha oops, sorry. Let me reword that:

The only one defending him is somebody who actually has a stake in it.

[x togepi x]

haha yeah. it's way better than on kos where you see a bunch of heterosexual people being basically like shut the fuck up gays we don't give a fuck you're lucky we have obama.

[Praetor]

Wait, isn't Kos a liberal blog? lol. Sounds like something you'd hear from the comments section of a Glenn Beck fansite.

[x togepi x]

the same sentiment was expressed here when i complained about the warren convocation.

[Praetor]

To be honest I still don't think it was that big a deal. He's a huge douchebag and his whole "gay rehab" shit is despicable and everything but him saying a prayer didn't really bother me too much. But I see why it would upset people.

[x togepi x]

Originally Posted by Praetor

To be honest I still don't think it was that big a deal. He's a huge douchebag and his whole "gay rehab" shit is despicable and everything but him saying a prayer didn't really bother me too much. But I see why it would upset people.

it's the second time he's done this exact thing. that's why it's a big deal. it's like, yeah accidentally saying something racist might not be a big deal, but when you do it over and over then something's fishy if you call yourself anti-racism.

[saysmydoctor]

DailyKos drinks the koolaid heavy. AmericaBlog got your back.

[GuitarR0cker1]

I have never been pleased at how Obama treated Gay Rights but I definitley think that there are more pressing issues right now that he has to do deal with. This doesn't change the fact that I dislike everything he has done relating to the issue but I am going to give him the benefit of the doubt for some more time. I would be angry if this was a time of prosperity in America, and the two wars were winding down but the fact is that we are in a large economic mess, have a fucked up health care system and we are embroiled in one war and winding down in another one. Right now is not the time to deal with a hot button issue. Some more progress should have been made by now, especially on DADT but it can wait. If Obama pushes this issue(not DADT but something more national) in 2010 or 2011 there will be more support and it would be a much wiser move on his part than trying to push it now.

[x togepi x]

i don't buy that argument because i'm confused as to how it would take "so much time" to do something like give benefits to domestic partners. yes, the republicans would fight it, but it'd just paint them more and more out of touch. the things people complain about could be solved via simple executive orders according to many prominent gay rights lawyers.

[Machu505]

Schwarzenegger says that Prop. 8 may violate the Constitution.

[Praetor]

Originally Posted by Machu505

Schwarzenegger says that Prop. 8 may violate the Constitution.

He was against it from the start wasn't he?

[timb89]

we dont really have a huge gay marriage debate raging in australia as you do in america.
to clear up some confusion, do gay couples want the right to be recognised as a couple or just get the same civil liberties as man-women couples.

[Mercy Medical]

Originally Posted by x togepi x

i can't be more mad than i was when i found out obama used to support "gay marriage" when he started politics but now kind of but not really supports "civil unions".

Wait, what? Oh, that's just awesome. Glad to see he was pandered to the moderate Republicans to win the vote. Hooray politics!

[Mercy Medical]

Originally Posted by Praetor

It blows my mind that people like the daughter of John fucking McCain are out-liberal-ing the President on this one.

Well, I think once you know someone personally who is gay or lesbian, especially if it's a family member, it changes your mind a bit because then it's an issue that his close to home. But I won't say much about McCain "supporting" gay marriage. He's more or less just taking the moderate Republican stance on it that it should be left up to the states, which in my opinion is sort of a cop out.

Originally Posted by Machu505

I love how the only person in here defending Obama is gay haha.

Wait, are you talking about me? If so, I'm in no way defending him. I'll be as critical about him as I am about any other politician...I'm merely attempting to be realistic in the fact that there is a lot going on in this country and therefore I can't expect certain things to happen overnight...

[Mercy Medical]

Originally Posted by timb89

we dont really have a huge gay marriage debate raging in australia as you do in america.
to clear up some confusion, do gay couples want the right to be recognised as a couple or just get the same civil liberties as man-women couples.

They basically want equality when it comes to marriage (as well as numerous other things). They want the exact same marriage rights and benefits as heterosexual couples. I mean, gay couples can be recognized as couples with or without the government's help. They just want the opportunity to be marriage and have the government recognize it and receive the benefits that come with it.