Originally Posted by yeahdude

not that ronnie is doing any good for the world, but do you really believe anything kanye has done has made the world a better place? his music? his lifestyle? his attitude. That's ridiculous. Our lives would be no better or worse if Kanye never existed.

agreed

Originally Posted by livingalive626

Oh sorry, forgot you were the ultimate musical-talent authority.

That title, while cool, is unneeded to know the difference.

Originally Posted by yeahdude

not that ronnie is doing any good for the world, but do you really believe anything kanye has done has made the world a better place? his music? his lifestyle? his attitude. That's ridiculous. Our lives would be no better or worse if Kanye never existed.

He changed the last decade of music. No hyperbole is even needed to realize the impact that has had on the world.

Originally Posted by Jason Tate

That title, while cool, is unneeded to know the difference.

Look man, all I came here to say was that it's stupid to judge someone's music by their character in one case, and not in another. Fair enough? Regardless of who is "more talented"

Originally Posted by livingalive626

Look man, all I came here to say was that it's stupid to judge someone's music by their character in one case, and not in another. Fair enough? Regardless of who is "more talented"

Ronnie Radke makes shittastic music regardless of his character.

Originally Posted by Ahhh... OutBoy

Ace Enders. What a douche.

um....what?

Originally Posted by Jason Tate

He changed the last decade of music. No hyperbole is even needed to realize the impact that has had on the world.

Jason why are you so fucking cool?

brafuckingvo

Originally Posted by ReadyForAction

No its pretty much a fact. Regardless of how you choose to measure success in music, Kanye trumps Radke. Album sales, musical influence, internet memes, clothing style, personality, headline potential, etc..

actually the topic was musical talent not success.... yes kanye is more successful so congrats on pointing out the many ways he is more successfull... though completely unrelated to what the subject was....
circa survive is a million times more talented than kesha/justin bieber etc... yet kesha has "more album sales, internet memes, headline potential. etc"

to everyone else
im not saying ronnie doesnt sound egotistical in the interview but when he went to jail etf was alot less popular than they are now... mostly because of the success diylf generated for the first album with Craig.. so of course ronnies name is bigger now than when he went in.... im sure he has two and a half years of anticipation built up inside of him and he is probably on a natural high right now so cut him a break... overall he is a better singer than craig and puts out more original vocals on his tracks than craig did... if you dont like etf style music in the first place then why are you even commenting on this thread... i know everyone thinks they are a comedian and have the wittiest remark but no matter how "un-famous" ronnie is.. ur still spending your time on a thread that is about him sooo jokes on you

Originally Posted by Chet

actually the topic was musical talent not success.... yes kanye is more successful so congrats on pointing out the many ways he is more successfull... though completely unrelated to what the subject was....
circa survive is a million times more talented than kesha/justin bieber etc... yet kesha has "more album sales, internet memes, headline potential. etc"

to everyone else
im not saying ronnie doesnt sound egotistical in the interview but when he went to jail etf was alot less popular than they are now... mostly because of the success diylf generated for the first album with Craig.. so of course ronnies name is bigger now than when he went in.... im sure he has two and a half years of anticipation built up inside of him and he is probably on a natural high right now so cut him a break... overall he is a better singer than craig and puts out more original vocals on his tracks than craig did... if you dont like etf style music in the first place then why are you even commenting on this thread... i know everyone thinks they are a comedian and have the wittiest remark but no matter how "un-famous" ronnie is.. ur still spending your time on a thread that is about him sooo jokes on you

Talent is relative. Circa may have more interesting guitar parts and vocal melodies, but they arent very good at writing dance pop songs, so again your point falls short.

Also, single periods are your friend. Like that one. This one too.

Originally Posted by ReadyForAction

Talent is relative. Circa may have more interesting guitar parts and vocal melodies, but they arent very good at writing dance pop songs, so again your point falls short.

Also, single periods are your friend. Like that one. This one too.

actually no. kanye like someone said earlier has way more talent (in doing what he does) if he tried to write music like etf or ronnie radke he would suck, just like you are saying circa would not be good at writing songs that are dance-pop. it goes both ways
the point is you said that kanye is better than radke because he has more "album sales, headline potential etc" and that he simply "trumps" him because of this. in the same line of thinking justin bieber's music video has millions more views than any of kanyes videos. does he trump kanye?
as another point kesha doesnt even write her music, how much talent does that take? yet she sells more than circa so you cant just plainly state that "success" means you are a better artist. though he may not be the best singer and sounded like an idiot in the interview ronnie does have talent at what he does regardless of how you like to angle your arguments to prove your "point" and draw attention to the arguer rather than the argument. again i hope you are enjoying your time and energy on a thread about someone who is unimportant and you dont like

Originally Posted by Chet

actually no. kanye like someone said earlier has way more talent (in doing what he does) if he tried to write music like etf or ronnie radke he would suck, just like you are saying circa would not be good at writing songs that are dance-pop. it goes both ways
the point is you said that kanye is better than radke because he has more "album sales, headline potential etc" and that he simply "trumps" him because of this. in the same line of thinking justin bieber's music video has millions more views than any of kanyes videos. does he trump kanye?
as another point kesha doesnt even write her music, how much talent does that take? yet she sells more than circa so you cant just plainly state that "success" means you are a better artist. though he may not be the best singer and sounded like an idiot in the interview ronnie does have talent at what he does regardless of how you like to angle your arguments to prove your "point" and draw attention to the arguer rather than the argument. again i hope you are enjoying your time and energy on a thread about someone who is unimportant and you dont like

Well are you enjoying arguing with someone who really doesnt have any interest in any point you make anyway? You've already proven yourself to be an absolute idiot so it's not like youre going to convince me of anything lol. You type like a 12 year old, paragraphs and capital letters are your friends. Nobody is going to read this anyway so maybe you should find a better way to occupy your time

Originally Posted by Jason Tate

He changed the last decade of music. No hyperbole is even needed to realize the impact that has had on the world.

prove it.

Originally Posted by yeahdude

prove it.

Paid attention to music and production for the last decade?

Here's actually a well written article on the subject.

Originally Posted by Jason Tate

Paid attention to music and production for the last decade?

Here's actually a well written article on the subject.

Ok, I stand corrected. I suppose there has been a shift in hip hop and genres stemming from it, I guess I was looking at it in more of a world view than a music view. Good point, sir.