This band takes alot of hate especially on this site but 31k sold their first week and a performance on Jimmy Kimmel says alot. This band is in for big things. Sumerian will ride these guys straight to the bank. I've met them, hung with them, I can't say anything bad about them. They were real great genuine dudes. I'm not a big fan of the new record but it's doing real well. You won't be able to get rid of them for a while.

Originally Posted by xjdizzle

Bands who write lyrics a 12 year old idiot can write and toss a bunch of breakdowns will always get hate, no matter what site , unless it's all scene kids who like this band and kids who cant distinguisg a fake band . I mean it's funny how 6 months ago the lead singer looks all scene now he got a haircut and tries to sing every song and not scream , he figured theyd real in a bunch of teenagers first with their image now they will go pop/rock to get in the mainstream, Thats a fake band to me, Genuine? did you really call them that?

They were genuine dudes when i sat down with them. They weren't trying to act like anything or be stupid. They were good, we had a nice long disucssion. I don't know how much the idea of reeling in fans with screaming, then sing more on the sophmore album was their ploy. Seems like something the label would push or encourage. I'm not giving credibility to their music, I don't enjoy the 2nd album. It's mostly breakdowns and sing song parts with Joey Sturgis production fillers as the transitions. As if they went into the studio with only ideas on breakdowns and not music.

Of course Danny would clean up for national TV. That'd be stupid not to. Notice they're dressed up a little more compared to their regular shows? Why not? You're on US national TV, clean up a bit. I think it's dumb to knock them for that. I was pointing out, love them or hate them, they're doing tremendously well for an indie metalcore band. There's no doubt about that. I'd like to see people look at bands like these that are having success, and instead of knocking them, overlook what you dislike and try to see why they are successful, why they appeal to people. There's plenty of bands i disgust but i know exactly why people like them, buy their music, and wear their shirts.

Originally Posted by xjdizzle

I don't knock bands for being succesful, One of my fav all time Thursday was on the radio and sold even more albums than these guys did, But does it really matter now? And they didn't have to clean up to go on tv, I mean you don't have to get a haircut the next day and look completely different , i just found it funny. And it doesn't surprise me kids these days will buy into this band, Just look at how many teenagers who don't know the meaning of musical talent or connecting with the bands message.
They are more about the cover of the bands and thinking yea, louder the better, the dumber the lyrics are cuz theyre funny or fun. But it's not the same scene it used to be , when you connected with music in a deeper level. This band is just trying to hard to get mainstream ,or somebody got paid off.

I agree, it's not the same scene. When i started seeing all the mainstream big business tricks being implemented in the indie scene, i saw it change before my eyes. I can't blame anyone though because when it comes down to it all, they need to make money for this music scene (as watered down as it may be) to continue. The bands, labels, management, booking, distribution, they all gotta get paid, so these mainstream tatics become sort of a must. It makes me appreciate bands more when they come out with a real musical record and still get hype.

I still don't get the problem with cleaning up for TV. It's a must. If their management didn't suggest it, I'm sure ABC told them to clean up. Why look like the worn down beat up band that you are, dress up a bit.

I expect to see them mature on their next record. I seriously hope they step up their live show. They could gain alot more respect if they gave a little more each night.