Originally Posted by tkamB

You just glorified rape by implying that is a form of justice, should you be raped too? Hes an artist, he is allowed to say what he wants and should not be held responsible for others misunderstanding his telling of a story. When Grand Theft Auto not only glorifies murder and rape, but allows people to do it virtually should it be held responsible for people that actually go out and rape and murder people? Tyler's words wouldn't be offensive if misogyny and homophobia still had material manifestations in society. So instead of attacking the 19 year old having some fun how about attacking the Christian churches who funded prop 8? How about attacking the media corporations that promote and sell the objectification of women? Attacking a 19 year old for rapping about what he wants to rap about is inane and pointless. Also I find it funny how many people in here attacking Tyler for singing about taking advantage of women when Brand New and Bright Eyes and much of the scene have songs that deal with similar themes yet they'll listen to them religiously.

edit: You have Me Vs. Maradona Vs. Elvis as one of your favorite songs, you do know what that song is about right?

I didn't bring any of that shit up because thats not what people are talking about in this thread. And I'm pretty sure there are no Christian churches or media outlets that have ever promoted any of the things that Tyler seems to revel in. Yes, people are allowed to express themselves through music. Thats not what this is about. Its about how far people are allowed to go and how the media (the bad guys, remember?) puts them on an increasingly high pedestal depending on how shocking their lyrics are. You ignored all the other things I said in my post. What if Nickelback released a song that had the same content as one of Tyler's songs? Would you be in here defending them and shifting the point of conversation to Christians and the media? I never argued that people can't say what they want in music, but is the next step going to be the person that raps about walking around and shooting everyone wearing a yamaka? But if it is, objecting to it would be inane and pointless right? Its not like 15 and 16 year old kids are listening. If Tyler can get famous saying the stuff he does, who's to say that that isn't the next underground hip hop star the media will idolize? And point me out where Jesse Lacey or Conor Oberst talk about killing gays or raping women and I'll give you a fucking medal.

Yea I know what its about. Its about Jesse having sex with girls and not caring about them. You're right though, thats the same as Tyler talking about raping pregnant women. I'm surprised I didn't see it like that before.

Oh my God.

Originally Posted by Star Slight

hahhahha inexcusable as fuck. you called him a beached whale you prick

haha, yeah, it got kind of out of hand, but to be fair, I said he WILL be a beached whale, didn't say he IS one

Originally Posted by Lueda Alia

Considering that I've been here arguing, it's safe to say that AP.net doesn't take any sides. Sure, individual staff members have "endorsed" Tyler, but the website as a whole has not. I don't even think it's possible for that to happen with any band, considering that we all like different music.

FUCK TYLER. This shit is a novelty joke. Odd Future is the musical equivalent of a whoopie cushion. Billboard, Coachella, Pitchfork, and all these other hilarious corporate sheep are the ones everyone should be laughing at. Hype machines, following trends, riding wave after wave of stupid nonsense.

In 1997, Eminem was exactly what Odd Future is right now. Everyone calm the fuck down, this group is a joke, they are retarded uneducated 19 year old kids being managed by Eminem's marketing team. The controversy is exactly the mechanism moving their career forward.

And I find it hilarious that half of the AP NET staff are moron hipster bandwagon trend followers endorsing Odd Future, and the other half of the staff are actually real passionate individuals with their own thoughtful unencumbered outlook, like Lueda and Jason.

Bottom line here people. Gay Rights and Women's Rights groups bashed Eminem all the way to 2 Billion records and 10 Grammy's. Be careful how far you push Odd Future.

Originally Posted by ParkwayTom

I didn't bring any of that shit up because thats not what people are talking about in this thread. And I'm pretty sure there are no Christian churches or media outlets that have ever promoted any of the things that Tyler seems to revel in.

They have promoted worse,funding prop 8 campaign is way worse than saying the word "******," the idea that sex sells and the promotion of the objectification of women is worse than rapping about a character that rapes girls.

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Yes, people are allowed to express themselves through music. Thats not what this is about. Its about how far people are allowed to go and how the media (the bad guys, remember?) puts them on an increasingly high pedestal depending on how shocking their lyrics are.

Pretty sure I said the media is the problem, and if there is a limit to how far people are allowed to go than some people can't express themselves through art huh?

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You ignored all the other things I said in my post. What if Nickelback released a song that had the same content as one of Tyler's songs? Would you be in here defending them and shifting the point of conversation to Christians and the media?

I actually would because they are an artist and should be allowed to express themselves through their art.

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I never argued that people can't say what they want in music, but is the next step going to be the person that raps about walking around and shooting everyone wearing a yamaka? But if it is, objecting to it would be inane and pointless right?

Yes it is pointless to object to the art instead of the real machinations that are oppressing people. Not only is it pointless but counter productive.

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Its not like 15 and 16 year old kids are listening. If Tyler can get famous saying the stuff he does, who's to say that that isn't the next underground hip hop star the media will idolize?

Eminem did it first and I'd like you to show me what negative effects this has had on society or the youth.

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And point me out where Jesse Lacey or Cobor Oberst talk about killing gays or raping women and I'll give you a fucking medal.
Yea I know what its about. Its about Jesse having sex with girls and not caring about them. You're right though, thats the same as Tyler talking about raping pregnant women. I'm surprised I didn't see it like that before.

Me vs. Maradona vs. Elvis is about getting a girl drunk and then taking advantage of her. That is worse than a guy joking about raping a pregnant women being a threesome. Why? Because one is serious and more people will see it as okay to take advantage of a drunken girl than raping a pregnant women.

And PS:

FUCK Kayne, FUCK Mos Def, FUCK Lykke Li, FUCK Diddy, FUCK XL, FUCK SONY, FUCK BILLBOARD, FUCK COACHELLA, FUCK MTV, AND FUCK ANY OTHER ARTIST OR JOURNALIST WHO ENDORSES TYLER.

Does anyone else find it hilarious that MTV and other networks censor explicit videos but then decide to play Tyler's video only so they can fit-in and be "cool." FUCK THAT POSER SHIT.

Originally Posted by OddFutureForUs

FUCK TYLER. This shit is a novelty joke. Odd Future is the musical equivalent of a whoopie cushion. Billboard, Coachella, Pitchfork, and all these other hilarious corporate sheep are the ones everyone should be laughing at. Hype machines, following trends, riding wave after wave of stupid nonsense.

In 1997, Eminem was exactly what Odd Future is right now. Everyone calm the fuck down, this group is a joke, they are retarded uneducated 19 year old kids being managed by Eminem's marketing team. The controversy is exactly the mechanism moving their career forward.

And I find it hilarious that half of the AP NET staff are moron hipster bandwagon trend followers endorsing Odd Future, and the other half of the staff are actually real passionate individuals with their own thoughtful unencumbered outlook, like Lueda and Jason.

Bottom line here people. Gay Rights and Women's Rights groups bashed Eminem all the way to 2 Billion records and 10 Grammy's. Be careful how far you push Odd Future.

I agree with all of this, actually. Except the part about the staff members (not trying to get banned).

I Will Say This One More Time For Everyone To Clearly Understand:

Tyler The Creator Is Managed By Eminem's Marketing Team.

Does All Of This Carefully Crafted Controversy Make Sense Now????

Don't Play Into The Trap.

Man, shut the fuck up.

Originally Posted by tkamB

They have promoted worse,funding prop 8 campaign is way worse than saying the word "******," the idea that sex sells and the promotion of the objectification of women is worse than rapping about a character that rapes girls.
Pretty sure I said the media is the problem, and if there is a limit to how far people are allowed to go than some people can't express themselves through art huh?
I actually would because they are an artist and should be allowed to express themselves through their art.

Yes it is pointless to object to the art instead of the real machinations that are oppressing people. Not only is it pointless but counter productive.
Eminem did it first and I'd like you to show me what negative effects this has had on society or the youth.
Me vs. Maradona vs. Elvis is about getting a girl drunk and then taking advantage of her. That is worse than a guy joking about raping a pregnant women being a threesome. Why? Because one is serious and more people will see it as okay to take advantage of a drunken girl than raping a pregnant women.

Clearly there is no getting through to you. Hiding behind self expression or what art really is are just ways of making it clear that you can't justify what Tyler is doing. Art can only be used as an excuse for so long until all you're doing is cheapening the word. Not to mention that its pretty sickening that you wouldn't object to someone that was rapping about killing jews. And if you find Tyler's lyrics more relatable than Jesse's, I have nothing to say. Most people have had a drunk girl come on to us. Brand New is telling that story and leaving it open for interpretation- whether the listener thinks its good or bad. Tyler is spewing hate speech and you're calling it art.

I can't wait for all this ridiculous hype to die down and people to finally admit his music is shit.

Originally Posted by ParkwayTom

Clearly there is no getting through to you.

Or you are just completely missing the point

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Hiding behind self expression or what art really is are just ways of making it clear that you can't justify what Tyler is doing.

It isn't about justifying what he is doing its about understanding it. He should be allowed to express himself even its using violent imagery and to say you can express yourself but you can't talk about this, this, and this because it is offensive is a huge curtailing of free speech.

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Art can only be used as an excuse for so long until all you're doing is cheapening the word. Not to mention that its pretty sickening that you wouldn't object to someone that was rapping about killing jews.

How simple minded do you have to be to assume me saying I support people's rights to expression is me saying I support what they say? Seriously.

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And if you find Tyler's lyrics more relatable than Jesse's, I have nothing to say.

When did I say that?

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Most people have had a drunk girl come on to us. Brand New is telling that story and leaving it open for interpretation- whether the listener thinks its good or bad. Tyler is spewing hate speech and you're calling it art.

Are you serious? Jesse says he is getting her drunk and lying to her with malicious intent. If thats leaving it open for interpretation then how is what Tyler says not up for interpretation when everyone who has actually listened to him knows he is playing a character.

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Originally Posted by kyleYM&EWK

i haven't thought long enough about your username or web persona to have an, 'image' of you, jack. also, i didn't write our lyrics. also, everyone in the free world here has the option to criticize whatever or whomever they want, especially faceless-ly on the internet. this is a web page about punk rock, so i told everyone who cared to read what i have to say my thoughts about this jackass that you're out here trail stomping for. you're the one who took my words a bit personal and fired back attacking the lyrical integrity of a band i'm not even in anymore. and to address that attack, would ben sing about drinking? obviously. were his words intentionally written to hurt any person, or group of people just because? nope. and it's odd that you're so offended by my comments on tyler and could care less what sara quin said, which is the whole parameter of this news post. i think you got a little fan boy - ed up when i said what i said, sorry to twist your under roos up this morning, but that's what the net is most of the time. so you grow up, dude.

you didn't write your lyrics, so you don't have to take responsibility for them? nice logic. as far as taking things personally, I never said a single negative thing about your band before you came back with some ridiculous insult to my own music (which you never heard and don't care to hear). I drew comparisons to your lyrics to point out that no one's exempt from materials that could be considered offensive or questionable.

I'm not out here "trail stomping" for anyone. I like Tyler's music, and I (as an artist and an intelligent human being) respect his right to say whatever he wants in it. it doesn't make him homophobic or misogynistic, it makes (one of) his lyrical persona(s) misogynistic. distinguish between what someone says and what they do, and stop being such an asshole on the internet.

I see where Sara's coming from and I totally agree. Yet, I love his music and find him really interesting. If he wants to sing about rape, misogyny, pooo then go for it