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08:08 AM on 11/08/11 
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The story in question is probably best encapsulated by the pornstar's guest article on Jezebel....

...but if you don't feel like reading that then here's a summary:
BBW pornstar "Juicy Jackie" recently saw herself in a newspaper ad for a dating site called Ashley Madison. The photo was part of a shoot she had done early in her career, and she had no idea that the photographer had sold those pictures for ads and such. That didn't really piss her off much, mainly because she obviously signed a release but also because she was too busy raging against the advertisement itself. The photo is over her in a 'sexy' pose, but with the caption "DID YOUR WIFE SCARE YOU LAST NIGHT?", with the obvious implication that fat women are no only unattractive but frightening enough to prompt their husbands to sign up for sleazy dating sites with the expressed intention to cheat.

The blog post talks a lot about the culture of body-shaming and how unhealthy it is for our society to shame fat women out of being proud of their bodies, and about how shitty the concept of a site like Ashley Madison is. In response, the site issued a statement accusing Juicy Jackie of using the controversy solely for free press, saying "The best thing that could've happened to this woman is that we used her in our ad."

Thoughts..?
08:14 AM on 11/08/11 
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There's nothing juicy about Jackie.
08:28 AM on 11/08/11 
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Doesn't she realize that that porn she makes is to fulfill a fetish? She's a hypocritical bitch despite how "wrong" a site like Ashley Madison may be.
I don't understand what you're trying to say here. Why does fetish porn disqualify her from taking a stance on a body-shaming culture?
If anything, I would think that someone confident in her fluffiness is probably the most qualified to be a public face for such a group, eh?


There's nothing juicy about Jackie.
For real.
I always feel bad about it but I'm a prime example of someone who's been effectively conditioned to associated "fat" with "unattractive" despite the fact that I could definitely stand to lose around a small toddler's worth of extra chub.
08:32 AM on 11/08/11 
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Porn as an industry is completely based on shame.
....no it isn't
And BBW porn is especially not based in shame.

There's definitely a large market for porn that centers around humiliation and more subtle degrees of shame, but to say it characterizes the basis of the industry is way off base.
08:41 AM on 11/08/11 
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....no it isn't
And BBW porn is especially not based in shame.

There's definitely a large market for porn that centers around humiliation and more subtle degrees of shame, but to say it characterizes the basis of the industry is way off base.

Porn is pretty much based around shame, some is much more overt than others and some times (most of the time) the shame is directed at humiliating females but it's almost always there.
09:11 AM on 11/08/11 
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So is she just a model or something, then? I thought the situation was films and the like. I can understand if it's the former and semi-take back what I said ... that's just what I associate the word with. Don't really consider nude modeling pornography.
I haven't been on her site but I assumed she does real porn.
Even still though, especially when it comes to BBW, there's a large base of actresses and production companies that conduct their business in a way that empowers women.
10:22 AM on 11/08/11 
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I haven't been on her site but I assumed she does real porn.
Even still though, especially when it comes to BBW, there's a large base of actresses and production companies that conduct their business in a way that empowers women.

Please explain this because this is quite opposite to what I've found.
10:33 AM on 11/08/11 
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"facial humiliation"...

just sayin
10:39 AM on 11/08/11 
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Please explain this because this is quite opposite to what I've found.
I'd rather not have to do in-depth research on BBW porn, but I can offer some more topical examples...

Jenna Jameson discussing her empowerment through porn:


This discussion
is one I enjoyed when I read it, and I'm on the side of Arrowsmith in the argument.

I could keep going if you're not getting the gist of where I'm coming from, but overall I think I should have probably mentioned earlier that I approach the whole idea of sex work from a more academic standpoint. I follow a lot of the rhetoric because this is one of the major philosophical debates of our generation, so I tend to speak as if a more widely discussed topic and forget to qualify/appropriately preface my opinions haha
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Don't really understand why you're so pro-porn actresses, but you ask 100 every day women on the street and 98 of them would say porn of any size, shape, or color is demeaning and shaming. It has been, for decades, a business that prays on the weak and is riddled with drug addicts, victims of abuse, violence, etc. That's a generalization, absolutely, and of course there are cases where someone grew up in a great, supportive home, got a college degree, but decided fucking on camera was for them, but history is on my side. I'm not anti-porn -- quite the contrary -- but I am also not in denial about what is actually happening.
Well said.
12:06 PM on 11/08/11 
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I'd rather not have to do in-depth research on BBW porn, but I can offer some more topical examples...

Jenna Jameson discussing her empowerment through porn:


This discussion
is one I enjoyed when I read it, and I'm on the side of Arrowsmith in the argument.

I could keep going if you're not getting the gist of where I'm coming from, but overall I think I should have probably mentioned earlier that I approach the whole idea of sex work from a more academic standpoint. I follow a lot of the rhetoric because this is one of the major philosophical debates of our generation, so I tend to speak as if a more widely discussed topic and forget to qualify/appropriately preface my opinions haha

So the exception becomes the rule with Jenna Jameson? That's laughable at its least. If you approach the idea of sex work at an academic standpoint then you're clearly doing a HUGE injustice to women. Sex work is just exploitation of females for male profitting and fantasy. Even if those involved in pornography are seeing small monetary profits they are still damaging the voice of the abused and victimized. Nothing about porn is empowering to women except for financial profit and that's a joke too.
12:14 PM on 11/08/11 
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ghostyouare jerks off with his shame tears
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ghostyouare jerks off with his shame tears

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12:49 PM on 11/08/11 
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ghostyouare jerks off with his shame tears

Lol. So true.
01:04 PM on 11/08/11 
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I can understand why she's pissed off. They've used her likeness without asking her and in a way that is offensive towards her. If you were in her shoes, you'd feel wronged too.

However, this thread has now become about porn and I've got to agree with the majority here. A lot of porn is degrading and demeaning. There may be a few examples where it isn't but the majority of the time it can be damaging.

I still watch it though



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