They really arn't that bad considering the demand, the resell value, how fast they sell out, and quantity. Trust me when I say I dont like paying over 20 dollars for vinyl. Hell for both I am paying about 50 dollars with shipping. I would be annoyed but 180 gram Dude Ranch is a great thing to get and The self title is no place cheaper than apparently some hot topics. I have never seen a hot topic that actually has that many vinyl. You can get self title on ebay but expect to spend at least 30-35 dollars.