[trojanick]

What wave do you ride?

[ChaplainTappman]

Old poppunk kind of fucking sucks.

[Brandon Allin]

Originally Posted by ChaplainTappman

Old poppunk kind of fucking sucks.

Really?

[ChaplainTappman]

Originally Posted by Brandon Allin

Really?

I'm not saying nu is much better, but at least there's some variety in lyrics now. It's starting to all gravitate towards the same themes (suburbs and friends) but I prefer that to the girl-centric lyrics that used to be so prevalent. Mostly focusing on NFG there, I enjoy the band, but I don't understand the fervor people have for a band that seems like they've been releasing the same record for 15 years.

[Neo Cassady]

What's your cutoff point? What separates old from new?

[Brandon Allin]

Originally Posted by ChaplainTappman

I'm not saying nu is much better, but at least there's some variety in lyrics now. It's starting to all gravitate towards the same themes (suburbs and friends) but I prefer that to the girl-centric lyrics that used to be so prevalent. Mostly focusing on NFG there, I enjoy the band, but I don't understand the fervor people have for a band that seems like they've been releasing the same record for 15 years.

"Old" pop-punk should encompass everything from the Descendents to Green Day to NFG, though. There needs to be some sort of era breakdown here. Also, come on now, that's a pretty ignorant statement concerning NFG. Catalyst has a handful of songs that sound nothing like anything they had put in before, which lead into Coming Home, a record completely different from anything else in their discography. I understand not liking them, that's fine, but at least give credit where it is most certainly due.

[ChaplainTappman]

Originally Posted by Brandon Allin

"Old" pop-punk should encompass everything from the Descendents to Green Day to NFG, though. There needs to be some sort of era breakdown here. Also, come on now, that's a pretty ignorant statement concerning NFG. Catalyst has a handful of songs that sound nothing like anything they had put in before, which lead into Coming Home, a record completely different from anything else in their discography. I understand not liking them, that's fine, but at least give credit where it is most certainly due.

I assumed he was referred to late 90s/early 00s pop punk, since he made this poll due to the front page post which seemed to set those bounds. I knew Coming Home would be brought up, but it's more of an anomaly than the norm. I give NFG credit for the album, and I think it's one of their best, but they immediately resumed making essentially the same style of music they had been making before once that album didn't fare as well among fans. Overall, I don't think there's much diversity in their catalogue. I totally get why people like the band, it just doesn't resonate with me the same way I guess.

[majinsharingan]

I'm definitely going with new. Much more variety in the music and lyrics. Less whiny vocals and much better written songs.

Originally Posted by Brandon Allin

"Old" pop-punk should encompass everything from the Descendents to Green Day to NFG, though. There needs to be some sort of era breakdown here. Also, come on now, that's a pretty ignorant statement concerning NFG. Catalyst has a handful of songs that sound nothing like anything they had put in before, which lead into Coming Home, a record completely different from anything else in their discography. I understand not liking them, that's fine, but at least give credit where it is most certainly due.

Eh, you're right about Coming Home and kind of Catalyst but he's still right, they had little variety for a long time.

[Brandon Allin]

Originally Posted by majinsharingan

I'm definitely going with new. Much more variety in the music and lyrics. Less whiny vocals and much better written songs.



Eh, you're right about Coming Home and kind of Catalyst but he's still right, they had little variety for a long time.

Despite being a huge NFG fan, I agree with you, I was just saying it's not like they haven't ever experimented.

I also like to keep in mind that NFG plays the type of stuff they love and that the majority of their fans have in mind. When they have ideas that don't really fit under the NFG moniker (outside of the stuff mentioned above), they tend to use them elsewhere. ISHC, Chad's solo project, etc.

NFG is just one of those bands I don't think I'd want anything from again but fun, upbeat pop-punk.

[majinsharingan]

Originally Posted by Brandon Allin

Despite being a huge NFG fan, I agree with you, I was just saying it's not like they haven't ever experimented.

I also like to keep in mind that NFG plays the type of stuff they love and that the majority of their fans have in mind. When they have ideas that don't really fit under the NFG moniker (outside of the stuff mentioned above), they tend to use them elsewhere. ISHC, Chad's solo project, etc.

NFG is just one of those bands I don't think I'd want anything from again but fun, upbeat pop-punk.

Yeah I understand what you're saying. One thing I can say is that they haven't become shit. Even if they don't put much variety into their stuff they don't really falter in terms of quality. I've never heard one of their albums that made me think that they should just stop. I wish I could say the same for Yellowcard...

[Brandon Allin]

Originally Posted by majinsharingan

Yeah I understand what you're saying. One thing I can say is that they haven't become shit. Even if they don't put much variety into their stuff they don't really falter in terms of quality. I've never heard one of their albums that made me think that they should just stop. I wish I could say the same for Yellowcard...

Haha, which Yellowcard record(s)?

[majinsharingan]

Originally Posted by Brandon Allin

Haha, which Yellowcard record(s)?

Paper Walls and When You're Through Thinking. Both had some good tracks but a lot of it just felt like they were attempting to go through the motions. I think they'd be good if they pulled a Linkin Park and just changed everything. I kind of get the vibe that they just don't want to be doing what they're doing.

[MyFriendsOver]

Most of my favorite bands are from the old wave, and I don't really get the new wave. Haha "old" for me!

[DCfreak]

Originally Posted by ChaplainTappman

I'm not saying nu is much better, but at least there's some variety in lyrics now. It's starting to all gravitate towards the same themes (suburbs and friends) but I prefer that to the girl-centric lyrics that used to be so prevalent. Mostly focusing on NFG there, I enjoy the band, but I don't understand the fervor people have for a band that seems like they've been releasing the same record for 15 years.

Originally Posted by majinsharingan

I'm definitely going with new. Much more variety in the music and lyrics. Less whiny vocals and much better written songs.



Eh, you're right about Coming Home and kind of Catalyst but he's still right, they had little variety for a long time.

I love new and old Pop Punk, but TWY's The Upsides is probably whinier than any "old pop punk" album that defines the genre (maaaybe not Saves The Day's stuff).

There may be more variety in the lyrics of some of the newer bands (TWY specifically) but just wait and see if all these new wave bands end up putting out 5-10 records. If I Call Fives, Fireworks, TSSF ect ect are able to put out more than 5 records and still have the same kind of quality sound that Alkaline Trio and New Found Glory have and don't start sounding at least a little repetitive in their sound, well, that just doesn't sound like Pop Punk to me! Four Year Strong, Set Your Goals and Man Overboard (off the top of my head) have all already hit a wall with new releases and will fade if they don't figure something out.

Green Day and Blink 182 changed their sound with their massive commercial success and stayed relevant with younger listeners for a long time. Midtown changed their sound drastically over just 3 albums, but didn't find the success and now Gabe makes good girls go bad for millions /sadface.

Old Pop Punk is pretty varied and damn good. I like a lot of the new bands and I am so happy to see them back in the fold over that bleak 2007-2010 period of Attack Attack, Brokencyde and all the other shit headlining Warped, but the older stuff is better and I really feel silly calling this "old pop punk" considering most of this was released in the 2000s.

[surette]

Originally Posted by Neo Cassady

What's your cutoff point? What separates old from new?

Yeah, this question kind of prevents me from voting.

blink is my favorite band of all time, but I also really love The Wonder Years and Man Overboard.