[richter915]

Originally Posted by dtrzcin

haha glad i'm not the only one who caught that.

[seymourbuttes]

Originally Posted by Love As Arson

I didn't say it was like it, but it is demonstrative of how issues of self-defense play out when the defendants are women/men of color.


She went into her garage to get the gun. I think you're downplaying the type of psychological effect abuse can have on a given individual.



I didn't say it was like it, but it is demonstrative of how issues of self-defense play out when the defendants are women/men of color. It is precisely because the conception of the people applying the law is racialized that I think situations such as this happens.

I wasn't judging the case, simply stating some facts that may not have been mentioned.

[inthemidst]

Heard about this case the other day from a friend at work. Crazy. My friend said that Rico knows a judge or someone high up in the court system, which was why this was so quick to sentence. It's BS for sure.

[MaddieTampa]

Oh, Florida.

[pinkfrosty]

clearly the best way to combat this kind of institutionalized racism is to create ap.net threads about it.

[Whatareyoudylan]

Im tired of racism. Let's talk about why Angel's food cake is white and devil's food cake is black?

[paper halo]

Originally Posted by pinkfrosty

clearly the best way to combat this kind of institutionalized racism is to create ap.net threads about it.

Yeah, leaving douchey comments on those threads is way more effective.

[Love As Arson]

Originally Posted by pinkfrosty

clearly the best way to combat this kind of institutionalized racism is to create ap.net threads about it.

Most of my time is spent organizing. lol.

[Love As Arson]

Originally Posted by TK

The guy looks much more of Hispanic descent than Caucasian. You seem to classify individuals based on how it best fits the your narrative/argument rather than their "social mechanisms" and appearance.

Well, I think I've explained in other threads those social mechanisms, whether directly or indirectly.

Originally Posted by TK

And I really don't understand what your last point is? I never said the issues weren't separate, but the causation of this case's result is clearly the law irregardless of rather or not it plays into social schemes.

I was just encapsulating your argument. You can say whatever you'd like about the law, but if we don't look at them in context, then what is the point? It means we cannot address the ways in which race plays a role. And let us say that the stand your ground law is eliminated or harsh gun laws are eliminated, the criminalization and prosecution of people of a particular race will not end.

Originally Posted by TK

With the Zimmerman/Martian case, Zimmerman disobeyed direct orders from a dispatcher and because of his actions Martian was killed. That's from point A to Z, but from B to Y, it is ambiguous. Did Zimmerman confront Martian, did Martian attack Zimmerman, did Zimmerman try to apprehend Martian verbally or physically?, etc... I know that we differ in opinion on rather this affects the legal outcome, but can you agree that the events shadowing the Zimmerman case are much more unclear than this case?
way?

To me, the reaction of the justice system is at issue here. Regardless of the details, Zimmerman was allowed to walk free before a movement forced the issue, whereas this woman was subject to constant abuse and did not even use the weapon to cause harm, and was subject to harsh treatment.

[pinkfrosty]

Originally Posted by paper halo

Yeah, leaving douchey comments on those threads is way more effective.

I'm not writing a novella's worth of text about it. Seems pretty pointless to me when one could spend that energy out protesting. It's pretty easy to be outraged when all you do is sit there and type about it. just my opinion. Not trying to have a pissing contest with the ap.net forum dweebs. I've seen that show before.

[caveBEAR]

Originally Posted by pinkfrosty

I'm not writing a novella's worth of text about it. Seems pretty pointless to me when one could spend that energy out protesting. It's pretty easy to be outraged when all you do is sit there and type about it. just my opinion. Not trying to have a pissing contest with the ap.net forum dweebs. I've seen that show before.

I've been trying to figure out what exactly it is that makes people piss on the parade like you are here. Sure, making an ap.net thread isn't going to 'end racism' or whatever you were drooling, but it does alert people on this site to issues that they most likely wouldn't have been aware of before (as most of Dom's posts prove that the mainstream media isn't exactly too keen on reporting about these things). As well, Dom does way more actual work 'protesting' () than I imagine you ever have/could.

So, back to my original point - what is it exactly that caused you to come in here and leave a sad, lazy comment with absolutely no productive value? Do you have a tiny peep? Is it low self esteem?

Low self esteem due to a tiny peep?

[knash9]

[Jake Gyllenhaal]

I can give a few reasons why pinkfrosty responded the way he did...

1) He is experiencing cognitive dissonance in regards to the nature of his thinking and the nature of this case. To him, he is rejecting the notion that special attention is being paid to this particular case where a minority woman is being sentenced for firing a warning shot against an abusive male acquaintance. Mentally, he has aligned himself with a particular way of thinking and prefers to consume information that fits his concept of societal norms. The fact that the media and individuals on the internet are expressing outrage, his way of thinking is in conflict with Social Judgement theory. His brain his undergoing a latitude of rejection. His response is simply putting down the very nature of the creation of this thread. He is seeking affirmation from other users that agree with him. The more people that openly agree with him, the more his core beliefs are reaffirmed, hence an increase in self esteem.

2) Considering he does not frequent the politics forum but is aware of the general consensus of beliefs of regular users, he is trying to get a rise out of others' responses, in particular Love As Arson. He offers a differing opinion for the sole purpose of generating an opposing response from others. He knows what he is saying will conflict with how others think, in particular with how we conduct our responses. At the same time, he is genuinely interested in how those with conflicting opinions will state their response. Part of this may be due to the fact that he has little to no real life interaction. He is unable to have an engaging conversation with differing opinions with real people so he seeks out the responses of anonymous people on the internet by provoking them to respond to a nonsensical statement. The fact that others are directly responding to him will allow a boost in self-esteem and self-worth because he believes his conversational skills are engaging enough for random people to respond to him. Even if he truly does not believe in the tone and rhetoric of his own statements, he gets a sense of satisfaction that boost his endorphins, even if its temporary.

[domotime2]

Originally Posted by Modern Leper

If you think 20 years in prison is anything but an insane punishment for this, there is something very wrong with your brain.

basically this. it's just not common sense. A wife is abused...in anger or fear or whatever...she grabs a gun to tell him "back away" and then fires a shot to scare him off, not thinking about her kids at he moment (the husband never thought about the kids apparently all their lives as he'd hit the mom constantly)... she wasn't trying to harm the child, im sure the gun was registered under the husbands name so she didnt even choose to buy it but was aware it existed. and she didnt hit anyone or try to hit anyone etc. none of this warrant's 20 years in prison..this woman does NOT need to removed from society for 20 years, and if you wanna talk about applying a sentence for deterring purposes, all i learn from this is... if a guy beats you for months dont try and fight back or else YOU will go to jail for 20 years.

insane.

[magicrat85]

Originally Posted by Love As Arson

A white guy kills an unarmed teenager and it can be justified. A black woman fires a warning shot an abusive husband and she is angry/reckless and deserves twenty years in prison.



http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/0...n_1510113.html

The huffington post is a rather liberal mouthpiece.

However, there is a double standard here. Blacks seem to always be the people committing the crimes is the atmosphere the media always puts out there