[Jake Gyllenhaal]

pics or it didn't happen

[CollectiveConfusion]

Originally Posted by suicidesaints

I did... I said that the government provided a list of the hijackers, and then we discovered that 7 of them were still alive. Therefore the government lied.

Yeah, except this isn't true. Those seven were involved in planning. So... there's that.

[pinkfrosty]

pretty sure South Park debunked the 9/11 conspiracy theory quite some time ago.

[CollectiveConfusion]

Originally Posted by pinkfrosty

pretty sure South Park debunked the 9/11 conspiracy theory quite some time ago.

That's what the government WANTS you to think...

[suicidesaints]

Originally Posted by CollectiveConfusion

Yeah, except this isn't true. Those seven were involved in planning. So... there's that.

Planning and hijacking is not the same thing. The only point I am trying to make is that there are things the government has lied about concerning 9/11. They have convinced the public that we should be afraid of the terrorists and they have led us into an endless war based on this fear. I know there are a lot of people who will not budge from their beliefs even when given hard evidence, and you probably think I am one of these people, but I just think there are too many corrupt politicians involved and they are not telling us the truth.

You can't debate that political and corporate corruption take place on a massive scale. You can debate as to weather or not corruption took place on 9/11. But being that there is so much corruption, does it not make sense that even if Al-Qaeda was responsible, the US govt. might still be hiding certain aspects of is that the public deserves to know.

[CollectiveConfusion]

Originally Posted by suicidesaints

Planning and hijacking is not the same thing. The only point I am trying to make is that there are things the government has lied about concerning 9/11. They have convinced the public that we should be afraid of the terrorists and they have led us into an endless war based on this fear. I know there are a lot of people who will not budge from their beliefs even when given hard evidence, and you probably think I am one of these people, but I just think there are too many corrupt politicians involved and they are not telling us the truth.

You can't debate that political and corporate corruption take place on a massive scale. You can debate as to weather or not corruption took place on 9/11. But being that there is so much corruption, does it not make sense that even if Al-Qaeda was responsible, the US govt. might still be hiding certain aspects of is that the public deserves to know.

Show me where the government said the seven people they have in custody were on/hijacked the planes. You seem to have a habit of twisting words and making things up that were never actually said. I don't know if it's because this is really what you want to believe and your mind is playing tricks on you or because you're not paying enough attention, but the things you're putting out there as facts are just blatantly not true.

[suicidesaints]

not sure if this directly answers your question or not, but...

http://rawstory.com/news/2008/FBI_do...sion_0228.html

[CollectiveConfusion]

Originally Posted by suicidesaints

not sure if this directly answers your question or not, but...

http://rawstory.com/news/2008/FBI_do...sion_0228.html

I'm not going to read through all of that, because it doesn't. You're doing it again, making other people do the work when you're the one who wants to change minds. Also, nowhere in any report does it say what you think it says.

[suicidesaints]

Originally Posted by CollectiveConfusion

I'm not going to read through all of that, because it doesn't. You're doing it again, making other people do the work when you're the one who wants to change minds. Also, nowhere in any report does it say what you think it says.

That's fine. I'm not trying to make you do the work, but you're going to have to read it if you want to know what it says. I didn't start this thread with the intention of changing anyone's mind. I actually started this thread because I wanted to get more information on the theories surrounding this year's Olympics and hear people's thoughts and opinions on the matter. Somehow along the way everything got derailed and I'm back to being crazy. I'm not interested in changing anyone's mind as to what happened on 9/11... especially people who say they have done their research and have come to the conclusion that the government told them the truth. If you believe the government's story then that is fine, but I know (maybe it's just my gut) that their story is full of holes.

[CollectiveConfusion]

Originally Posted by suicidesaints

That's fine. I'm not trying to make you do the work, but you're going to have to read it if you want to know what it says. I didn't start this thread with the intention of changing anyone's mind. I actually started this thread because I wanted to get more information on the theories surrounding this year's Olympics and hear people's thoughts and opinions on the matter. Somehow along the way everything got derailed and I'm back to being crazy. I'm not interested in changing anyone's mind as to what happened on 9/11... especially people who say they have done their research and have come to the conclusion that the government told them the truth. If you believe the government's story then that is fine, but I know (maybe it's just my gut) that their story is full of holes.

Something tells me you haven't read what you linked me to, if you had you would have at least TRIED to point me into a direction where you want me to look. And that's fine if you didn't. But don't go passing bullshit off as facts when they can easily be disproven and expect to be taken seriously. If there are so many holes, show me them. Haven't seen one yet since we've been talking.

You may look at these threads as two totally different entitities, but people such as myself are going to connect them and take them for what they are.

[suicidesaints]

Originally Posted by CollectiveConfusion

Something tells me you haven't read what you linked me to, if you had you would have at least TRIED to point me into a direction where you want me to look. And that's fine if you didn't. But don't go passing bullshit off as facts when they can easily be disproven and expect to be taken seriously. If there are so many holes, show me them. Haven't seen one yet since we've been talking.

You may look at these threads as two totally different entitities, but people such as myself are going to connect them and take them for what they are.

These threads are two totally different entities. You can try to link the 2 just because you think they are both bogus, but that's like me saying that Fall Out Boy and Nickelback are he same band, because they both suck

[cabezadewebo]

Originally Posted by suicidesaints

not sure if this directly answers your question or not, but...

http://rawstory.com/news/2008/FBI_do...sion_0228.html

After reading this article, I'm fairly confident that what you asserted and what is actually presented in the article are unrelated.

The article's main point is how there might be a connection between people involved in the 9/11 terrorist attack and the Saudi Arabian
government. The story is completely unrelated to your claim that the government lied about the hijackers who were involved in the attack.

[suicidesaints]

Originally Posted by cabezadewebo

After reading this article, I'm fairly confident that what you asserted and what is actually presented in the article are unrelated.

The article's main point is how there might be a connection between people involved in the 9/11 terrorist attack and the Saudi Arabian
government. The story is completely unrelated to your claim that the government lied about the hijackers who were involved in the attack.

I'm sorry if I presented something that doesn't DIRECTLY deal with the point at hand, but my point was just that what the US govt has said about 9/11 has turned out to be false.

[cabezadewebo]

Originally Posted by suicidesaints

I'm sorry if I presented something that doesn't DIRECTLY deal with the point at hand, but my point was just that what the US govt has said about 9/11 has turned out to be false.

How can you expect anyone to take you seriously if you can't even provide proof of an assertion that you have made? Especially if someone else, in this case CollectiveConfusion, has asked you to provide him with proof of what you claim?

[suicidesaints]

Originally Posted by cabezadewebo

How can you expect anyone to take you seriously if you can't even provide proof of an assertion that you have made? Especially if someone else, in this case CollectiveConfusion, has asked you to provide him with proof of what you claim?

Fair enough, but I wasn't looking to get into another debate about 9/11. If you go back a few pages you will see that I've kind of just gone along with everyone's posts and continued to attempt to reply to CollectiveConfusion. I originally stated "the truth about 9/11 is we don't know the truth about 9/11" and I stand by that statement.

Can someone at least put this question to rest...

Why did the US govt. hunt down (and eventually kill) Osama Bin Laden, immediately following 9/11?