Interesting that you think the EP's production sucked, but that this LP's production is awesome because I did both records. And I highly doubt that "the messy production of their I’ve Been Thinking About Leaving You earlier this year made it fall by the wayside."

You mean my production is to blame for them not having a successful EP? That's a pretty ignorant statement, especially because both records sound great.

Thanks.

Originally Posted by drummer13

Honestly, no offense to Sam Pura or anyone who helped produce this record, as I've loved past releases from Panda Studios, but I actually felt the production was lacking a bit here, at least on the drums. the cymbals sound almost fuzzy and distorted sometimes, and the bass and snare are very weak in some areas. It's a fantastic record, and this is just my opinion (I am a drummer, I'm biased), but I was disappointed in a lot of the sounds from the drums. The guitars, bass, and vocals sound fantastic though.

Completely disagree. Sounds like you expected triggered drums. These are all real with pretty much nothing but room mics on the cymbals.

Originally Posted by drummer13

Actually, I was thinking of the work you did on Safe For Now, I love EVERY tone on that album, especially the drums. I actually really dislike triggered drums, I just thought that at some moments in the songs the snare and bass sounded a little flat. And maybe the sounds will grow on me (they have already a bit) but I hear a lot of crash from the cymbals and it just feels overwhelming at points. Again, no offense meant, this is just what I hear. Sometimes I think I'm overly critical. I still love the album, and I really respect the work you've done, you're pretty prolific.

I appreciate that. We originally planned to record drums separate from cymbals for weird tones but in Pre pro I had 1 super compressed and distorted room mic, 2 overheads and the snare, kick, and tom close mics. The dudes REALLY liked the sound (especially the cymbals which were our main focus) so we stuck with it. I think the cymbals are insanely detailed, but the distorted room mic is the main sound and the loudest mic in the mix. Kerry kills on drums. He for sure smashes and plays louder than any drummer I've ever recorded. His dynamics are astounding. I can hear what drum he's hitting and what cymbal. Doesn't sound like white noise. But he definately smashes crashes and replaces them all the time.

That's probably the major difference you hear when compared to The American Scene who plays really soft and has a lot of percussion and not a lot of cymbal action going on, and if any it is specifically played soft to allow the drums to sound huge. Also, the drum tones are the same mics and signal chain as The American Scene. Same for Basement. The only difference is drums, cymbals, drummer, and content.