Originally Posted by sampura

Completely disagree. Sounds like you expected triggered drums. These are all real with pretty much nothing but room mics on the cymbals.

Actually, I was thinking of the work you did on Safe For Now, I love EVERY tone on that album, especially the drums. I actually really dislike triggered drums, I just thought that at some moments in the songs the snare and bass sounded a little flat. And maybe the sounds will grow on me (they have already a bit) but I hear a lot of crash from the cymbals and it just feels overwhelming at points. Again, no offense meant, this is just what I hear. Sometimes I think I'm overly critical. I still love the album, and I really respect the work you've done, you're pretty prolific.

Really great band. Love their old releases and this shows great progression.

Originally Posted by bobsheiskawy

riyl: la dispute with choruses.

What? Not even.

Originally Posted by phaynes1

What? Not even.

Their first full length Letters, yes. They redefined themselves though with this one and grew away from that comparison. This album is absolutely fantastic.

Edit: quoted wrong person and too lazy to fix it on my phone haha.

Originally Posted by drummer13

Actually, I was thinking of the work you did on Safe For Now, I love EVERY tone on that album, especially the drums. I actually really dislike triggered drums, I just thought that at some moments in the songs the snare and bass sounded a little flat. And maybe the sounds will grow on me (they have already a bit) but I hear a lot of crash from the cymbals and it just feels overwhelming at points. Again, no offense meant, this is just what I hear. Sometimes I think I'm overly critical. I still love the album, and I really respect the work you've done, you're pretty prolific.

I appreciate that. We originally planned to record drums separate from cymbals for weird tones but in Pre pro I had 1 super compressed and distorted room mic, 2 overheads and the snare, kick, and tom close mics. The dudes REALLY liked the sound (especially the cymbals which were our main focus) so we stuck with it. I think the cymbals are insanely detailed, but the distorted room mic is the main sound and the loudest mic in the mix. Kerry kills on drums. He for sure smashes and plays louder than any drummer I've ever recorded. His dynamics are astounding. I can hear what drum he's hitting and what cymbal. Doesn't sound like white noise. But he definately smashes crashes and replaces them all the time.

That's probably the major difference you hear when compared to The American Scene who plays really soft and has a lot of percussion and not a lot of cymbal action going on, and if any it is specifically played soft to allow the drums to sound huge. Also, the drum tones are the same mics and signal chain as The American Scene. Same for Basement. The only difference is drums, cymbals, drummer, and content.

Originally Posted by sampura

I appreciate that. We originally planned to record drums separate from cymbals for weird tones but in Pre pro I had 1 super compressed and distorted room mic, 2 overheads and the snare, kick, and tom close mics. The dudes REALLY liked the sound (especially the cymbals which were our main focus) so we stuck with it. I think the cymbals are insanely detailed, but the distorted room mic is the main sound and the loudest mic in the mix. Kerry kills on drums. He for sure smashes and plays louder than any drummer I've ever recorded. His dynamics are astounding. I can hear what drum he's hitting and what cymbal. Doesn't sound like white noise. But he definately smashes crashes and replaces them all the time.

That's probably the major difference you hear when compared to The American Scene who plays really soft and has a lot of percussion and not a lot of cymbal action going on, and if any it is specifically played soft to allow the drums to sound huge. Also, the drum tones are the same mics and signal chain as The American Scene. Same for Basement. The only difference is drums, cymbals, drummer, and content.

Oh, well when you lay out all the details like that I can definitely see how both products ended up being the way they are. I guess it's just personal preference that I like Safe For Now's sound more. Thanks for sharing all of that, it's really cool learning what went on behind the scenes to create those sounds, considering that's what I want to spend the rest of my life doing. Being a drummer in a band, that is. I really appreciate how much you're devoted to getting the real sound from the drums, as my band (we're called Chaplin) recently went into a studio and came out with a nice product, but I was kinda sad because they sampled all of my snare and bass. Thanks again for all the info!

Not usually a fan of bands like this, but this record is really genuine and well put together. I dig it.

Also, Sam Pura, I'm a huge fan of your work! Keep it up. Hope to be doing what you're doing someday.