[luckykaruba]

Originally Posted by majinsharingan

Being poor is a pro-life argument? That's...dumb...

That's the just image that is used for who gets abortion. It makes it harder for people to relate, especially since the policies they push for don't necessity affect wealthier women who have greater access to the services like they do to poorer women. That means they don't see the consequences as much. Again, I'm not in the best state to discuss all this at the moment. Hah.

[Ferrari333SP]

@Bigbird: Joe Biden wiped the floor with Paul Ryan tonight. Paul Ryan also wiped the floor with Paul Ryan a bit." #VPDebate

[Takk...Ros]

Originally Posted by majinsharingan

Being poor is a pro-life argument? That's...dumb...

All of their arguments are dumb.

[Esrb99]

Originally Posted by J.C.

Ask Ryan why he differentiates based on instances of rape, incest, and life of the mother.

Ryan never said his personal view is differentiated: He said the Romeny campaign position was such.

[majinsharingan]

Originally Posted by Takk...Ros

All of their arguments are dumb.

Well yeah, but that one especially. Do pro-lifers think there is no cost to raising a child or something?

[majinsharingan]

Originally Posted by Ferrari333SP

@Bigbird: Joe Biden wiped the floor with Paul Ryan tonight. Paul Ryan also wiped the floor with Paul Ryan a bit." #VPDebate

I would say that Biden and Ryan equally won the debate in favor of Joe Biden. Let's not deny Paul Ryan credit where credit is due, he did a marvelous job at filling his mouth to the brim with feet all while managing to keep his head planted in his ass... That takes some kind of skill, I'll tell you that.

[luckykaruba]

Originally Posted by majinsharingan

Well yeah, but that one especially. Do pro-lifers think there is no cost to raising a child or something?

They either don't care about the child or think adoption will cover it all.

[new_arbiter]

Whenever Biden really got going, I couldn't get this out of my head:

[J.C.]

Originally Posted by Esrb99

Ryan never said his personal view is differentiated: He said the Romeny campaign position was such.

"Ask why the campaign position differentiates."

[bobsheiskawy]

Originally Posted by saintnumberfive

If you're not paying attention to what he's saying, you'd think Ryan was debating circles around Biden.

unfortunately sounds like what gave romney a boost after the presidential debate.

[Ferrari333SP]

The Vice Presidential Debate (As Told By GIFs): http://www.buzzfeed.com/ryanhatesthi...s-told-by-gifs

[bobsheiskawy]

Originally Posted by J.C.

"Defense wins championships." - Paul Ryan

please tell me this is real.

[bobsheiskawy]

Originally Posted by Rob McWilliams

Wasn't the policy of a Romney administration "we're not fucking with abortion?"

[Ferrari333SP]

@Ezraklein:

Bottom line? Biden did his job tonight. http://t.co/Zgsevmod

[jawstheme]

Originally Posted by knash9

Yeah. There have been a lot of Dems in my area who have either held that view or just pro-life so I guess it doesn't seem like news to me but you're right.

The problem is legally that if you concede that life is at conception (personhood) the state arguably has a fundamental interest in protecting that life that counterbalances the fundamental interest that has been found for a pregnant woman's choice. This would have legal implications that should basically allow states to pass whatever they want against abortion. I imagine that's bad for the left.