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01:49 PM on 12/17/12
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"Haha here is this woman I dislike so I'm going to start calling her a slur"

This comment thread so far is almost as bad as Reddit... I mean I'm not saying Courtney Love isn't a bitter, selfish human being who is hard to like, but that's still no excuse to pull out slurs.
02:08 PM on 12/17/12
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What would be an excuse, then?

...you're looking for an excuse to use a slur???
02:51 PM on 12/17/12
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Since Coutney Love's behaviour doesn't warrant usage of the term, what does?

The same behavior that warrants the N-slur, F-slur, and R-slur
03:19 PM on 12/17/12
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If any male has license to call any one female a 'cunt', I think Courtney Love more than applies. It's an issue of semantics, really. Would you be just as fired up if I called her a twat or a cum-dumpster? Because she's those too, Clucky. She's all of the above and worse.

Doesn't matter what someone "is". Slurs are slurs. Really don't see how calling someone a "cunt" is any better than using the n-slur or f-slur. (Except apparently those are censored here but "cunt" so I guess AP.net is okay with sexism, just as long as it isn't racist or homophobic sexism)
03:42 PM on 12/17/12
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I get what you're saying, and to a large extent: you're right, but let's call a spade a spade here. She's the c-word.

What's your the point though? A black guy is still the n-word. But saying "let's call a spade a spade" doesn't make it okay for me to call him one.

There are words you just shouldn't use. They promote misogyny or other forms of hatred -- the idea that Courtney's love problem isn't just that she's an asshole, she's a female asshole and that is somehow worse. Even that isn't the intent behind the word, its still how its going to be perceived by many, and so especially when you're on the internet and so many of the communities on the internet are thinly disguised pools of misogyny, its good to set a better standard and say "If you're problem with Courtney Love is that she's an asshole, just her an asshole. Don't use a different word that carries a broader meaning". We don't have to stoop to the same level. This place is usually really good about the racist / homophobic stuff, so I guess I just don't get why sexism is any different.
03:57 PM on 12/17/12
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Cunt is a unisex slur, though.

No it isn't. I mean, you can use the f-slur on straight guys. That doesn't mean it uni-orientation.

And yeah, I'm totally going to listen to a straight white male comedian about how its okay to use racist, sexist, and homophobic slurs.
04:51 PM on 12/17/12
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Isn't that in itself racist, sexist, and homophobic in that you refuse to listen to listen a straight white male comedian simply because of his sexual orientation, his skin color, and his gender?

The issue isn't really with the routine. That is a whole other subject that isn't really worth getting into. The routine was brought up in defense of why its okay to use those words in standard conversation. My point is that as a straight white male, Lewis C.K. only knows those slurs in the context which he uses them within his routine. He hasn't had someone call him the f-word within the context of hate.

So from viewed purely as a comedy routine, like whatever. I mean, I'm personally not really a Lewis C.K. fan but I don't really have a huge problem with it. There is a place for offensive humor in comedy routines. But comedy routines are still just that - comedy routines. They aren't supposed to be life lessons, and if you try and use it as a life lesson then I think its perfectly reasonable to point out that Lewis isn't really the proper person to comment. Like, if I'm wondering "Is the NFL harmful to its players" and on the one hand I have these actual NFL players saying "Look, I have these brain injuries" and on the other hand I have these people saying "no violence has always been part of the game. plus the players get paid so much and they know the risks", I'm going to side with the players because they have the better perspective. Its the same way here, a straight white man saying how they doing see the issue with the slurs matters a lot less to me than the women, black people, or gay people who *do* take offense with the slurs.

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