Originally Posted by CluckyB

I mean I'm not saying Courtney Love isn't a bitter, selfish human being who is hard to like, but that's still no excuse to pull out slurs.

What would be an excuse, then?

Originally Posted by CluckyB

...you're looking for an excuse to use a slur???

Since Coutney Love's behaviour doesn't warrant usage of the term "cunt", what does?

Originally Posted by CluckyB

The same behavior that warrants the N-slur, F-slur, and R-slur

And what behaviour is that?

Originally Posted by CluckyB

What's your the point though? A black guy is still the n-word. But saying "let's call a spade a spade" doesn't make it okay for me to call him one.

There are words you just shouldn't use. They promote misogyny or other forms of hatred -- the idea that Courtney's love problem isn't just that she's an asshole, she's a female asshole and that is somehow worse. Even that isn't the intent behind the word, its still how its going to be perceived by many, and so especially when you're on the internet and so many of the communities on the internet are thinly disguised pools of misogyny, its good to set a better standard and say "If you're problem with Courtney Love is that she's an asshole, just her an asshole. Don't use a different word that carries a broader meaning". We don't have to stoop to the same level. This place is usually really good about the racist / homophobic stuff, so I guess I just don't get why sexism is any different.

Some terms are only as demographic-specific as you make them. Nobody is hating on Courtney love for being female here.

Ladies and gentlemen, words of wisdom from Mr. Louis C.K.

Originally Posted by CluckyB

No it isn't. I mean, you can use the f-slur on straight guys. That doesn't mean it uni-orientation.

And yeah, I'm totally going to listen to a straight white male comedian about how its okay to use racist, sexist, and homophobic slurs.

A good point is a good point regardless of who makes it, and Louis CK's point was that words are only slurs when used as slurs. Nobody here is using "cunt" as a slur; they aren't seeking to devalue Courtney Love as a person because she is a woman.

Originally Posted by CluckyB

My point is that as a straight white male, Lewis C.K. only knows those slurs in the context which he uses them within his routine. He hasn't had someone call him the f-word within the context of hate.

He doesn't only know those words in the context of which he uses them in his act. In fact, he spent the opening segment from the second episode of Louie listening, to a gay man, about what the usage of "f-----" means to gay people. Just because he hasn't been called that word doesn't mean he hasn't witnessed or been told of its impact from people that have.

Originally Posted by CluckyB

But comedy routines are still just that - comedy routines. They aren't supposed to be life lessons, and if you try and use it as a life lesson then I think its perfectly reasonable to point out that Lewis isn't really the proper person to comment. Like, if I'm wondering "Is the NFL harmful to its players" and on the one hand I have these actual NFL players saying "Look, I have these brain injuries" and on the other hand I have these people saying "no violence has always been part of the game. plus the players get paid so much and they know the risks", I'm going to side with the players because they have the better perspective. Its the same way here, a straight white man saying how they doing see the issue with the slurs matters a lot less to me than the women, black people, or gay people who *do* take offense with the slurs.

You really think the sole purpose of comedy is to make people laugh? Do you also think music (in particular, punk rock) is only about cool noises? In many cases comedy bits, like songs, are also designed to make people think.

A classic example is Dave Chapelle's blind white supremacist sketch. The irony is funny, but the sketch points out how ridiculous racism is because the main character didn't know skin colour, and it didn't actually effect his friendships or his hatred of others. Satire is a way to bring the true absurdities of an actual topic into focus by way of an exaggerated display. If you thought George Carlin or Bill Hicks were doing their acts just for giggles, you are wrong.

Also, in your own football analogy, both sides agree that NFL football is harmful. The players have brain injuries, while the doctors admit there are risks (injuries). The scenario you created in your head and typed out doesn't have two sides to it. If A is debating A, then of course A will be the winner.

Originally Posted by lp670sv

You are aware that CK has, on numerous occasions, said he actually regrets this portions of his early stand up right?

Those jokes were from a special he did in 2008. Seeing as he's been active in stand-up since the mid-80's, that's hardly early for him. Nice try, though.

Originally Posted by lp670sv

the point is C.K. has made several comments in recent years that he regrets these very jokes.

I didn't have any luck with Google to back up what you're saying. If you would please provide a link to anywhere at all that does, that would be wonderful.