I'm pretty sure this is an old song. Just a new version.
it's a new song, but it's been played a few times acoustically. you're thinking of the partner songs "what i should have learned in study hall" and "what i really learned in study hall". those were done acoustically about 6 years or so ago, during their transition from pop-ska to emo-hardcore. this is just a continuation of those songs, making it a trilogy. i see why you thought that tho. it can get confusing when there's so many similar song titles. mayhaps there's more to continue the story soon?
still enjoy their music, seemingly way more than most people. i would attribute it to poor taste, but my favorite bands are Brand New, The Republic of Wolves, Manchester Orchestra, Right Away, Great Captain!, and Everything Ace Enders... soooo.... possibly it's the nearly dead emo part of my brain clinging onto INK. who knows?
I'm not saying that the Tate incident was going to catapult them into fame or anything. I just think its funny that they've been genre-hopping and really doing ANYTHING to become popular but they're still not. ate best they got was for their fans to vote them onto All Stars past summer. There's just a point, that they've passed, where the music only becomes about becoming rich and famous, like there's no actual desire to create "good" music. But hey, that's what I think and it doesn't even matter because I don't see these guys breaking into the "scene" suddenly after like 8 years of trying so.
it's unfair and unrealistic to require a band to keep the same sound over the course of a decade. as most band are formed in the bloom of youth, the members (same as you and me) have to figure themselves out as they grow. tastes change.
i didn't like Bob Dylan or Simon & Garfunkel when i was a teenager. now i do. i used to write emo-acoustic stuff, but my taste changed, and now i write folk / americana stuff. it just so happened that the "scene" started to say that folk was cool around the time i started liking it. does that make me fake? no. it makes me coincidental.
maybe they were trying to be popular, maybe they were just growing. after all, there's only one original member left anyway, and i know from experience that having differing members can change a sound drastically.
bottom line: you don't know their motives for changing their sound, so stop acting like you do.
You guys are just taking this too seriously, I'm not even trying to argue with fans. i don't like the band, and I don't like the way they run their band. But I dont care if other people do. I have my own opinion of them (that I posted days ago) and Im not saying that it's a fact or anything like that.
"taking it seriously" is the whole point in most music. you can listen to Flight of the Conchords for some quality comedy, but that's about it. most other comedy singers lack subtlety, a necessary ingredient for lasting value.
but i digress. the point is that your opinion is invalid, because you use a faulty measuring rod. expecting bands to keep the same sound throughout their careers is a seriously flawed view, and thus, everything you say is invalid as regards music.
hence, your opinion is neither welcome nor acknowledged, because you have no credibility.
Really? I think this whole thing is hilarious. Your only response to my opinion is to say its wrong because of these ideas that you have set up? How does one statement about ONE band just cancelout ANY opinion I about music? Who ever said I'm judging every single band on this same thing. The fact is these guys used to attend shows, not even play them, just to sell CDs to people in line. That's not something I like. Another fact is they use to do this at All Time Low shows because they were pop rock. The fact is that they are now not pop rock. No, I cant tell you why they did that. Natural musical growth is one thing, I think these guys changed genres for other reasons. BUT HEY it's my opinion. And there's nothing that makes it more valid than yours. So I don't see why your attempt to "win" this "argument" is to just devalue my own opinion and say I don't have any credibility. Which is, surprise, just your opinion. We're both as credible as the other, if we had any sort of relevance I doubt we would be even having this discussion on a music forum, so I don't really quite see your point of saying that.
Two more facts? I'm not a sir, and I could easily resort to name calling here. I'm done with this conversation because I don't think either of us are gaining anything out of this. So keep your opinion to yourself and I'll keep mine. Everyone wins.
Perhaps it was harsh to say that your opinions are invalid, as this is possibly the only band that you trash talk in this manner. But you're making accusations, not opinions. You have no evidence but keep asserting the reasons they changed were not admirable. That's not an opinion. "I don't like their music" is an opinion. Thats not "ideas being set up". Thats your own thoughts setting them up. If what you said about them selling merch at others' shows is true, that's pretty shitty. I'm honestly surprised that so many of you hate them tho. Usually hatred is reserved for the bands at the top of the ladder, not in the lower-mid rungs. Like I said before, I don't generally have bad taste in music, and I've seen some truly horrible hardcore bands promoted here, so no offense, but probably we'll always have a lot to disagree about. Just because Tate doesn't like it doesn't me I have to.
Here's an point you can't argue against: This band has never been good, they've gotten nowhere notable in almost a decade of trying and trend hopping, and the fake accounts and delusional fans that come out of the woodwork to defend this shitty band in both news posts and the forums will never not be funny.
This is how every INK posts goes, people come in and rightfully put down this band for valid reasons, and the band, through a series of fake accounts that are completely obvious and can be spotted a mile away, come in and pathetically defend their vapid music through insults and put downs. I'd say there are fans too but since they also come out only in INK posts and post in similar patterns as the fake accounts, it's beyond any doubt that those profile are ran by the band as well. It's truly sad and probably never stop until the band finally gives up.
Those who enjoy their own emotionally bad health and who habitually fill their own minds with the rank poisons of suspicion, jealousy and hatred, as a rule take umbrage at those who refuse to do likewise, and they find a perverted relief in trying to denigrate them.
Also, I assure you that I'm not an undercover ink agent
yeah, let's use a quote from a musician about basically whinning about critics and people putting down I'm guessing his own work to make your point. Oh no, people don't like things and will speak up about it, the nerve!
please turn this into a sentence. as far as the rest, you missed the point. it's not the speaking up part, it's the disgust for people who don't share your view. and how you get off on attacking them for it. think of it like a complex explanation of "misery loves company."
you see, you feel like they haven't done anything noteworthy, because you don't like their music. it has nothing to do with how successful they are (e.g. i feel like lady gaga is not noteworthy, because she hasn't had a single release that i can relate to, respect or even remember, except for that song about oral sex (she kept saying "poke her face" in the chorus), but i've only heard it once... on accident. my point is, it has nothing to do with her popularity, just as your assessment of INK's noteworthiness has nothing to do with how many people like them.
i like INK's music, mostly from their hardcore transition period, because it's largely relateable for me, for the things i was going through at the time, and nothing will change the memories i have from those years. noteworthy is relative to perspective, just like good music, and because of how much their music means to their fans, INK is noteworthy.
It's like arguing that Bud Light is more notable then a craft beer in a beer discussion because you had a personal connection to it. While that's nice and all, it's still a below average party beer and your point really doesn't mean much in the grand scheme of things.
some people only drink bud light. i know a few of those people. i dont criticize their taste when theyre clearly not up for trying a darker ale like "blue moon". it's all a matter of personal preference, and when it comes to INK's music, i prefer their lyrics and sound to many other hardcore bands that i find repulsive.
thanks for giving me an illustration to work with tho. :)
Sure I can argue against it, as you're doing the same thing. You're disgusted by how I view the band and so you're attacking me for it, getting off from trying to be being victorious in this argument. So I ask, how are you better than I? I can also argue that your point has very little to do with mine and you're using your own personal connection to their horrible music as a basis for being right. Oh and if you want to attack my grammar, you could take a page out your own book and learn to capitalize your words.
its okay to ignore grammatical rules. its just not okay to be ignorant of them. a little something i learned from the great kurt vonnegut. and i wasn't attacking your grammar, i just genuinely can't understand the babble that i highlighted in bold. i dont care for grammar nazis.
i'm not disgusted, i'm concerned, because you have a pigeon-holed view of what's good. but thats okay. you know what i'm saying? we're both right... INK is awesome, but theyre also terrible. same as bud light is colored water, but it's also beer fit for a king.
not everything is so black and white. dont let the obligation you feel towards "others" on this site or in your life affect how you feel about music. its not fair and it wont make you happy to pretend. i used to pretend to like 70's and 80's metal, until i realized how sad that music makes me. it was so shallow lyrically, unrelateable, just awful. but other people liked it. i couldn't understand why. so i pulled the plug.
if you're being honest to yourself about hating that terrible INK music, then go right on hating, but dont try to force those of us who enjoy it to conform to yours and jason's tastes.