Pioneer sold pretty well independently.

Originally Posted by irthesteve

nah, the record is trash

I stand by my statement of you being crazy

Originally Posted by OneAndrewWest

Pioneer sold pretty well independently.

It sold over 12,000 units in the first week. It sold well and got great reviews.

Originally Posted by Mattylikesfilms

I stand by my statement of you being crazy

not that you should listen to other people's opinions, but my opinion is certainly a popular one

http://absolutepunk.net/showthread.php?t=2534052

Originally Posted by abusedcat

Am I the only person who thinks this band has gotten better with each release? Pioneer was great and miles ahead from the All Time Low pop of their first record.
Looking forward to this, Brendan Benson's Lapalco is a great album.

agreed, didn't really care for black and white but i thought pioneer was a great album, really excited to see where they go on this next one, I have a good feeling about it. I don't really understand why they don't get a lot of love around here

Originally Posted by Reggieboo

Nice dudes and all, but another band that needs to just call it a day, or change your name and start over because no one will care about this release.

They're still able to sell out tours playing 800 cap rooms and their last record sold 12k first week, despite it being self-released and them moving away from their bubblegum pop sound. They're making enough money that it pays all of their bills and then some. It's not like their a band like Rookie of the Year that is still releasing records but can barely draw 30 kids to a show.

Originally Posted by OneAndrewWest

Pioneer sold pretty well independently.

I think that it should also be noted that the "independent" label they released it through is their own label.

This band is boring and will always be boring.

So excited for this. I think "Pioneer" is a great step in the right direction for them and this 4th album is going to advance their career.

Pioneer was atrociously boring in my opinion. I don't get how this site can be in love with The Summer Set (it made the most anticipated list for gods sake) but absolutely trash everything The Maine did before Pioneer. Honestly they were probably my favorite straight up pop band with The Way We Talk and CSWS. Don't have high hopes for this

I can't stand their early works of this band but really loved Pioneer. They got their shit in gear and made a good album but it felt like just the begging. Anyone who wanted them to continue to keep making neon pop garbage won't be disappointed cause 100s of high school bands are doing that.

Pioneer is only boring to those who don't like progression and have an unhealthy love for bubblegum pop and neon colors.

Let's see what style direction this goes in. I don't want another Pioneer. It was okay, but I'm hoping the next one is back to the catchy stuff of Black and white.

Each of their albums has been fantastic in its own right; CSWS was great unashamed pop-rock, they grew up a little bit and released another great album in B&W, and finally Pioneer was them growing up even more and testing the waters as an independent band. Now that they've reached a point of comfort and balance I think they can craft their best album yet.

EDIT: Only talking about the major full-lengths...not the EPs etc.

Originally Posted by The Meech

Pioneer was atrociously boring in my opinion. I don't get how this site can be in love with The Summer Set (it made the most anticipated list for gods sake) but absolutely trash everything The Maine did before Pioneer. Honestly they were probably my favorite straight up pop band with The Way We Talk and CSWS. Don't have high hopes for this

I can the summer set has a very catchy sound and are actually good, not boring as hell.