They don't "suck" as you say, but that's subjective so whatever. And are you saying that they were unprovoked with the name calling, because as I remember last year the staff of this website wrote a bunch of opinion pieces labeled as "reviews" and gave some dismally low scores to pop punk bands throwing around words like Juvenile and Boring while going nuts about hip hop artists who talk about how often their dicks get sucked and how much weed they can smoke. This band released an awesome album, lost some members, and who knows what will happen, I have high expectations for them because i'm an optimist and I think there is enough talent here to work with. Jake's gone folks, deal with it, tons of bands have lost members and still continue to put out high end material. We dont know what they sound like without Jake other than live so everyone needs to calm down with the "They were better with Langley" stuff. He moved on, they moved on, chill.