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08:12 PM on 01/14/14
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Stop being so fucking PC! Who I'm I to judge him/her. Just saying anyone has a right to call him/her whatever name they choose depending on the time frame of the band. Chill the fuck out everyone, I don't give a shit if he wanted to change into an elephant. Not my place to judge
lol i thought you were just ignorant but now get fucked
08:14 PM on 01/14/14
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Don't bother quoting him he can't post in this thread anymore
08:25 PM on 01/14/14
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Don't bother quoting him he can't post in this thread anymore
good move
09:08 PM on 01/14/14
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This changes the way I view Brendan Kelly. The album is great. For everyone using the wrong gender pronouns at this point have no excuses other then being ignorant
10:07 PM on 01/14/14
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Great interview. Not huge on the album though.
10:50 PM on 01/14/14
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So it's only appropriate to call her Laura even when referring to times when she was ostensibly living as a male? You've gotta have some leeway for the fact that most people haven't dealt personally with trans people and aren't sure of all the etiquette. Otherwise you're just making people with good intentions feel alienated for not knowing the right things to say. I imagine if I had a friend who came out as trans I would make plenty of mistakes with pronouns, etc.
The etiquette of trans people is calling them their chosen name and chosen pronouns. I wasn't hostile or impolite about it in any way. I even specifically went out of my way to add that I wasn't trying to start anything or be an asshole. Your good intentions don't mean much if you can't manage to figure out which pronouns or names to use years after the person tells you which names or pronouns to use. Laura was a woman, and was Laura, even when she "lived as Tom Gabel." So...it's time to just stop it, and use what she wants us to use.
06:15 AM on 01/15/14
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So, that's what was going on in between White Crosses and Transgender Dysphoria Blues. No wonder it took so damn long. Being a Streetlight Manifesto fan though, I'm used to long wait times between albums.

As far as naming goes, here's another thing to nitpick: If I'm referring to Heart Burns (that solo EP from 2008), should I use Tom Gabel since that's the name it was released under? I use the correct pronouns when referring to Laura Jane Grace currently and when referring to her actions in the past, but if I'm specifically referring to something having to do with her pre-transition life, I'll say Tom Gabel. I use say "she" and "her" regardless of whatever name, because she's a woman. Am I wrong/insensitive to do that? Serious question.
08:52 AM on 01/15/14
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So, that's what was going on in between White Crosses and Transgender Dysphoria Blues. No wonder it took so damn long. Being a Streetlight Manifesto fan though, I'm used to long wait times between albums.

As far as naming goes, here's another thing to nitpick: If I'm referring to Heart Burns (that solo EP from 2008), should I use Tom Gabel since that's the name it was released under? I use the correct pronouns when referring to Laura Jane Grace currently and when referring to her actions in the past, but if I'm specifically referring to something having to do with her pre-transition life, I'll say Tom Gabel. I use say "she" and "her" regardless of whatever name, because she's a woman. Am I wrong/insensitive to do that? Serious question.

Wrong, yes, insensitive, nt really. Just uninformed. She has said that she wants to be referred to as Laura Jane Grace, and usually with trans people, they want to be called their chosen name rather than their birth name, since their birth name can cause dysphoria and make them feel like shit. So yes, at the time, she was using her birth name, but her name has been changed now, so you should use her chosen name even when referring to past works.

To a lesser extent, it's like if your name is Johnathan and peope used to call you Johnny when you were little, but you hate that nickname now and want to use John. You wouldn't want people to keep calling you Johnny just because you used to go by that.
04:39 PM on 01/16/14
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The etiquette of trans people is calling them their chosen name and chosen pronouns. I wasn't hostile or impolite about it in any way. I even specifically went out of my way to add that I wasn't trying to start anything or be an asshole. Your good intentions don't mean much if you can't manage to figure out which pronouns or names to use years after the person tells you which names or pronouns to use. Laura was a woman, and was Laura, even when she "lived as Tom Gabel." So...it's time to just stop it, and use what she wants us to use.
You were nice about it, I didn't mean to be a jerk. But I had no clue that the etiquette was to refer to her as Laura when referring to pre-coming out stuff. My point is just that labeling people as ignorant or insensitive when they want to be supportive just defeats the whole purpose, and you end up with fewer allies than there would otherwise be. I'm not saying that's what you were doing, but I think it's a knee-jerk reaction that a lot of people more knowledgeable about the topic have.
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