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12:47 PM on 04/15/14
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I see no confusion with the title and what happened.

Looking at the situation - it's very clear that Prodigy does not believe critics are qualified to rate their music, regardless of the score.

It's also an interesting point to look at and discuss ...
That's what I thought too. I agree with Prodigy. I feel like someone like Jayson Greene or any middle class, white music critic can listen to a gangster rap song and decide if it's aesthetically pleasing to them personally, but they have no ability to understand the experiences that comprise the content of the music; and should be knowledgeable of that when deconstructing said content.

I don't think it's right for people to act like Prodigy can't be upset. People write music based on their own knowledge and experiences. People also review music based on their own knowledge and experiences. An inner city black male that (assuming Prodigy is telling the truth about himself in his songs) has been involved with selling drugs, gang violence, has experienced racism... This person's art (read: knowledge and experiences) is not something that I feel Jayson Greene is fit to comment on. Sure, he can like it, think it sounds good, dig the flow, etc. But I feel that Prodigy has a legitimate reason to get upset when his music is being rated, picked apart, and ascribed value by a middle class white person. Just my opinion.
12:47 PM on 04/15/14
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Prodigy grew up in an environment that I would assume the vast majority of the users here did not experience firsthand. While I probably would not react the same if I was in his position, I can understand why he'd be so defensive of art that is clearly deeply personal

I guess I don't really get the uproar from people here in reaction to artists criticizing bad reviews of their music. Shit, whatever man
Fucking exactly.
12:53 PM on 04/15/14
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The important thing to remember here, is that nobody is ever allowed to enjoy something, if they aren't 100% exactly the same as the person making the art.
Enjoying something and ascribing it value based on content that you 100% can't relate to are different things. Read my previous post.
12:56 PM on 04/15/14
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1. Ridiculous to assume music cannot be understood or critiqued by someone who hasn't gone through the same experiences.

2. Don't put out art unless you are prepared for assessments/opinion.

3. Prodigy has every right to publicize his thoughts, no matter how ridiculous I may find them personally, as P4k does.
01:01 PM on 04/15/14
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Hey everyone. I'm black so I have more credibility in terms of hip hop music so let's disregard everything you crackers just said... Anyway, Young Jeezy!
01:04 PM on 04/15/14
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1. Ridiculous to assume music cannot be understood or critiqued by someone who hasn't gone through the same experiences.

2. Don't put out art unless you are prepared for assessments/opinion.

3. Prodigy has every right to publicize his thoughts, no matter how ridiculous I may find them personally, as P4k does.

1. I'm not talking about all music. I'm talking about a middle class white guy deciding the value of a black inner city gang member's music, based on content that he has no ability to relate to.

2. I agree that Prodigy should have handled it differently. Still, he has a reason to be upset when the opinion given is an illegitimate one.

3. Pitchfork having the right to say things doesn't make the things they say right.
01:05 PM on 04/15/14
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Enjoying something and ascribing it value based on content that you 100% can't relate to are different things. Read my previous post.
Agree to disagree. Or disagree and just disagree. Whatever. Dude came across sounding like a dickhead.
01:07 PM on 04/15/14
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Agree to disagree. Or disagree and just disagree. Whatever. Dude came across sounding like a dickhead.
I agree that Twitter wasn't the way he should have gone about it, let alone cursing the dude out. Still, I think he's right.
01:28 PM on 04/15/14
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I mean, this is a pretty standard debate with new criticism. Is art meant to be functional or is its purpose an abstract? I suppose that depends on the artist as well as what the review is critiquing. If it'sa critique of beats/musicality/rhythm, then I would argue that so long as the reviewer is well versed in that theory thenĀ*he or she would be entitled to voice their critique.

When it comes to lyrical content it's a different story. From the functional perspective, so long as the lyrics serve a concrete purpose they should be fine. If art isn't being observed as functional then it's at the discretion of the reviewer to decide their opinion and publish it.
01:43 PM on 04/15/14
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Would he therefore be pissed that the same white people who don't know the struggle are paying his bills? Fuck him. Just because someone doesn't understand what he's saying on a personal level doesn't mean they can't enjoy his music
01:56 PM on 04/15/14
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It's "The Infamous"
03:21 PM on 04/15/14
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Subbing for the discussion. Curious to hear what people think about this.
03:29 PM on 04/15/14
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Prodigy has been relegated to "Musician"? Haha damn
03:32 PM on 04/15/14
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Would he therefore be pissed that the same white people who don't know the struggle are paying his bills? Fuck him. Just because someone doesn't understand what he's saying on a personal level doesn't mean they can't enjoy his music
Dude said in the tweets that anyone can enjoy it, but he has a problem with a reviewer trying to break it down like he has any idea what it was really about and how they felt or whatever.
03:37 PM on 04/15/14
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The important thing to remember here, is that nobody is ever allowed to enjoy something, if they aren't 100% exactly the same as the person making the art.

That's not exactly what Prodigy is saying, it's more nuanced than that. He's saying anyone can enjoy his music, but it's a different thing when people who can't relate/sympathize overanalyze and comment on his music as if they're an expert. It's a subtle distinction but an important one.

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