he makes a valid point. the consumer these days are being dumbed down and only consume what is in or trendy and nine times outta ten that is what is considered "safe".

I think it was more about bands being political and kids liking them for a fashion statement more than bands being played on mtv....Geoff has a point.

edit: bolded everything for some reason

Isn't this company owned by majors or something?

Originally Posted by iseejosh

he makes a valid point. the consumer these days are being dumbed down and only consume what is in or trendy and nine times outta ten that is what is considered "safe".

maybe what is in or trendy just so happens to be someones personal taste. and i dont know anyone who goes into best buy, looks around and chooses a cd because it looks safe?

OHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH SICK BURN! I love Geoff though and respect what he said in that blog, but this dude took him apart with laser accuracy.

Originally Posted by tslxmilesapart

maybe what is in or trendy just so happens to be someones personal taste. and i dont know anyone who goes into best buy, looks around and chooses a cd because it looks safe?

i agree w you i am a fan of all time low and the maine and such and like them bc of the music. could give two shits about there appearance.

This is completely irrelevant to what Geoff is saying. All those bands he listed minus Fugazi were at some point backed by MTV and Best Buy carries all of their albums. Mainstream music today, especially music within the scene has been watered down by horrible synth beats and cliche lyrics about partying. The bands who care about their ridiculous fashions and so-called celebrity status heavily outweight bands that have something relevant to say politically or socially.

He's completely missing Geoff Rickley's point. Rickley isn't railing against corporations in music specifically, he's railing against the lack of independent thought and sincerity in music today. As someone who has been directly involved in my own music scene for about 15 years, I can attest to this. It's alarming how many bands are more concerned with their haircuts and their image than they are about their art and their message. This is a result of commercialism's role in music today, but Rickley is calling out the BANDS for catering to it.

Bravo, Geoff.

Originally Posted by CorySpotts

He's completely missing Geoff Rickley's point. Rickley isn't railing against corporations in music specifically, he's railing against the lack of independent thought and sincerity in music today. As someone who has been directly involved in my own music scene for about 15 years, I can attest to this. It's alarming how many bands are more concerned with their haircuts and their image than they are about their art and their message. This is a result of commercialism's role in music today, but Rickley is calling out the BANDS for catering to it.

Bravo, Geoff.

Exactly.

I agree with the last two comments. His response doesn't actually respond to what Geoff said.

This guy's article doesn't attack Geoff's points by any means. It's completely missing every point Geoff made.

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The short version is this; bands aren't courageous anymore / everything is homogenized / music is too safe / when I was your age I walked uphill to firehall shows in the snow with holes in my 'Chucks.

That looks like a pretty good way to sum it up, but I don't think Geoff ever came off like a dick like that last line would indicate.

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Firstly, he shared all this via Headbangers Blog, a blog that is hosted by MTV, which is thusly owned by Viacom. I'm all for "reaching the masses," but perhaps helping Viacom earn more ad revenue isn't the answer. Much in the same way that bands hosting their music and official sites on MySpace only makes News Corp. richer (they earn ad dollars for every fan you send to your site. Think about it.)

Maybe Geoff should have just written it on geoffrickly.com and got no attention at all. Thursday isn't a popular band. They struggle to sell out venues even in New Jersey and New York. No one cares about good music anymore unless it's pop-oriented in some way.

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Second, Geoff why wasn't "blogging" about this when his band Thursday appeared on MTV, or when his albums were sold at BestBuy? No doubt his hard work and dedication to his music got him where he is today, but corporate giants helped, too.

No one is born with experience. Geoff and Thursday learned a lot from their experience, a term defined as the process or fact of personally observing, encountering, or undergoing something. This is written in response to that experience.

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Expecting music to change a generation is like expecting dogs to talk.

No, music never made any difference in a generation. Not in the 1960s by any means or early in the 1900s where it was so instrumental in integrating white cultures with colored cultures. Or in the 1980s when hip-hop empowered impoverished urban minorities. No, music doesn't do shit.

-ACA

Plus, it's not like Geoff Rickley was the one who went in and decided "ok, here's what i want. i want our music in best buy endcaps under "emo jams of the month", i want our videos all over mtv2 all things rock, this is what i want." of course fucking not. thursday as a whole took the jump to the major label with the intent to spread their music out to more people, ended up having to deal with way more bullshit than they bargained for in the form of hassling music executives and pointless advertisement and the usual major label gymnastics, which caused them to do what? oh yeah, get out of their contract and leave.

i'm glad this guy has gotten a few more hits by picking a random big name in music and trying to bring him down a notch, but he should put a little more thought on it next time.

This dude comes off as an asshole, and as it has been said, he is off point.

"Help the homeless or watch Lost?"

You can do both, actually. Simultaneously, even.

Originally Posted by iseejosh

he makes a valid point. the consumer these days are being dumbed down and only consume what is in or trendy and nine times outta ten that is what is considered "safe".

Every generation was like that. Can we stop thinking our generation is the worst. If you look back, every generation people bitch about their times and think the past is better...I don't get it.